Koran, The word of God..... what do you think? Options

[Edele]

im saying the bible is 100% tru!...find me one error or mistake... 

Ooookay, how can you say something is true when most of the stories written in the bible were written hundreds even thousands of years later and finally written down from word of mouth? And if you mean it's true because it's fact. It's not fact. A lot of the stories told are used to relate moral stances and right or wrong.

But you have the right to believe what you want. I'm not going to lecture anyone. Simply because religion is faith. And faith is something you just believe and let guide you without question. I just hope you have faith, whatever it may be.

Ciao!

[tofumonzter]

use evidence to prove your points. dont poll.

[sikdragon]

no one has ever used the poll to prove a point. If you are that insecure in yourself that you have to assert your authority just to prove to yourself that you are in charge, so be it. Dont try to justify it by saying we dont know how to debate.

The Bible has no contradiction in it. Nothing inside of it can 100% be proven false.

[Spirited Away]

The Bible has no contradiction in it. Nothing inside of it can 100% be proven false.

Sure, what about those metaphors? Metaphors are NOT facts, and are NOT proven.

[sikdragon]

Did i say they were proven? metaphors are used to describe to the people the things that are.

[karrar]

karrar i resent that, i went to several down down islam websites, lol.

I never said i knew everything and i certainly not an expert on your religion. But if you believe in the Koran you must believe in everything it says. According to logic A cannot be NON-A so its either ALL true or it is ALL false. I read somewhere that Mohammed was under the influence of satanic possession and several curses while writing the Koran. He believed in omens and other pagan ideals. These writings had to have been removed, but are you sure all of them have been omitted from your copy?? you can't be, look how long ago the original was written.

How is Islam connected to Abraham?? I have read that Ishmael was concieved through an adulterous act. How can you have a religion based on sin??? doesnt make sense to me.

apparently you only have a problem with the translation, but there are still more contradictions on there to explain.

First of yes i do beleive in everything in the quran.... and no he was not under satanic posession while writing the koran( i have no idea where you got that from hit me up with some sources caz it looks liek you pulled that one rite out of your ass) he didn't even write the quran

ok so you want to know how islam is related to ibrahim(abraham ) muslims believe that when Abraham , the father of Isaac and Ishmael offered his son for sacrifice for GOD , he offered Ishmael.( ancestor of the arabs ) Jews and Christians believe that he offered Isaac.( ancestor of hebrews )if you wanna have a friendly debate on this thats ok ..anytime

and oh yea one last thing about the contradictions dont worry i almost have them done i ll have em all posted by either tonight or tomoro but i think that was a little unfair you had me do all that work when you did nothing but copied and pasted i challenge you to DEBUNK these " contradictons in the bible" remember im not saynig there contradictions just wanna see what you have to say about them

here ya go...yep i did liek you just got some sitte but go ahead show me the bibles authentacy ( remember im not saying its fake )


Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?


(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)


(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


  In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?


(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)


  How many fighting men were found in Judah?


(a)  Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)


  God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?


(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)


  How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?


(a)  Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)


  How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?


(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b)  Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  How long did he rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time

(a)  Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b)  Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)


  When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?


(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b)  Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

  How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?


(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

  When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?


(a)  One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)


   How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?


(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b)  Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)


  In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha,   King of Israel die?


(a) Twenty-sixth year  (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)


  How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?


(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)



  Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?


(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)


Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab? 


(a)  Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)


  How many were the children of Zattu?


(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)


  How many were the children of Azgad?


(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)


  How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)


  How many were the children of Hashum?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)


  How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)



  Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:


(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)



  How many singers accompanied the assembly?


(a)  Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

  What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?


(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)


  Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?


(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b)  No (Joshua 15:63)

  Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?


(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)


  Jesus descended from which son of David?


(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)


  Who was the father of Shealtiel?


(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)


  Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?


(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.


  Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a)   Joram (Matthew 1:8)

(b)  Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)


  Who as the father of Jechoniah?


(a)   Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)


  How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?


(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b)  But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

  Who was the father of Shelah?


(a)  Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b)  Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)


  Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?


(a)  Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b)  No(John 1:19-21)


  Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?


(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

  Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?


(a)  One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b)  Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”

  How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?


(a)  By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b)  His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

  Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?


(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b)  On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:
43)

  When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?


(a)  Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”

(b)  No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

  Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?


(a)  Yes(Mark6:8)

(b)  No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)


  Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b)  No (Luke 9:9)

  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b)  No (John 1:32,33)


  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?


(a)   Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b)  No (Matthew 11:2)

  According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?


(a)   “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)

(b)  “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

  When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b)  No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).


  The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?


(a)   Yes. (Matthew 21:19)

(b)    No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)



  Did Judas kiss Jesus?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b)  No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)



  What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?


(a)   “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).

(b)  “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.


  Did Jesus bear his own cross?


(a)   Yes (John 19:17)

(b)  No (Matthew 27:31-32)



  Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?


(a)   Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)

(b)  No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)


  Did Jesus say anything secretly?


(a)   No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)

(b)  Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

  Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?


(a)   On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(b)  In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)



  The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?


(a)   Yes (Mark 15:32)

(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)


  Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?


(a)   Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

(b)  No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)


  When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?


(a)  Yes(Acts9:7)


(b)  No(Acts22:9)

  When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:14)


(b) No (Acts 9:7)


  Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:16-18)


(b)  No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

  When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?


(a)  Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)


(b)  Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)


  How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?


(a)  Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)


(b)  Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

  What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?


(a)  He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)


(b)  He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

  How did Judas die?


(a)  After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)


(b)  After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)


  Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?


(a)  Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)


(b)  Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

  Who is a ransom for whom?


(a)  “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)


(b)  “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)


  Is the law of Moses useful?


(a)  Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)


(b)  No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)



  What was the exact wording on the cross?


(a)  “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)


(b)   “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)


©   “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)


(d)   “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)

[ryfitaDF]

can u explain the story of gaillileo..im not sure which gallileo ur talking about aight!

Gaillileo was a scientest who defied what was the scientific law with his theory of a heliocentric universe. he, however, had his life threatend by the king and had to withdraw his theorys to protect his life, inturn possibly setting the human race back a few years in knowledge of the universe around us.

[Spirited Away]

Did i say they were proven? metaphors are used to describe to the people the things that are.

So then metaphors are used to describe how the earth has four corners?

Gotcha.

I mean, if they're used to describe "things that are", then the earth is squared shaped.

Gaillileo was a scientest who defied what was the scientific law with his theory of a heliocentric universe. he, however, had his life threatend by the king and had to withdraw his theorys to protect his life, inturn possibly setting the human race back a few years in knowledge of the universe around us.

Thank you.

If you want to know more, here's a link to a biography, of sorts.

If you're too lazy to read the whole thing, here is an excerpt to explain why I bring him up in these debates:

Despite his private support for Copernicanism, Galileo tried to avoid controversy by not making public statements on the issue...

The Catholic Church's most important figure at this time in dealing with interpretations of the Holy Scripture was Cardinal Robert Bellarmine. He seems at this time to have seen little reason for the Church to be concerned regarding the Copernican theory. The point at issue was whether Copernicus had simply put forward a mathematical theory which enabled the calculation of the positions of the heavenly bodies to be made more simply or whether he was proposing a physical reality. At this time Bellarmine viewed the theory as an elegant mathematical one which did not threaten the established Christian belief regarding the structure of the universe...

Shortly after publication of Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief Systems of the World - Ptolemaic and Copernican the Inquisition banned its sale and ordered Galileo to appear in Rome before them. Illness prevented him from travelling to Rome until 1633. Galileo's accusation at the trial which followed was that he had breached the conditions laid down by the Inquisition in 1616. However a different version of this decision was produced at the trial rather than the one Galileo had been given at the time. The truth of the Copernican theory was not an issue therefore; it was taken as a fact at the trial that this theory was false. This was logical, of course, since the judgement of 1616 had declared it totally false.

Found guilty, Galileo was condemned to lifelong imprisonment, but the sentence was carried out somewhat sympathetically and it amounted to house arrest rather than a prison sentence. He was able to live first with the Archbishop of Siena, then later to return to his home in Arcetri, near Florence, but had to spend the rest of his life watched over by officers from the Inquisition. In 1634 he suffered a severe blow when his daughter Virginia, Sister Maria Celeste, died. She had been a great support to her father through his illnesses and Galileo was shattered and could not work for many months. When he did manage to restart work, he began to write Discourses and mathematical demonstrations concerning the two new sciences...

It was a sad end for so great a man to die condemned of heresy. His will indicated that he wished to be buried beside his father in the family tomb in the Basilica of Santa Croce but his relatives feared, quite rightly, that this would provoke opposition from the Church. His body was concealed and only placed in a fine tomb in the church in 1737 by the civil authorities against the wishes of many in the Church. On 31 October 1992, 350 years after Galileo's death, Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church in which he admitted that errors had been made by the theological advisors in the case of Galileo. He declared the Galileo case closed, but he did not admit that the Church was wrong to convict Galileo on a charge of heresy because of his belief that the Earth rotates round the sun.

I ran into a couple of sites that blamed Aristotle, who believed the universe is finite and spherical with a stationary earth at its center, for the Church's condemnation of Galileo. However, that's kind of funny considering that the Bible supposed to have facts, not Aristole, so why isn't the Bible blamed but Aristole is taking the heat?

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"Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church"

thats funny u blame the church...theres more that one church...and more that one religion...im sure ur not attacking them all right...

[raw_material]

Ooookay, how can you say something is true when most of the stories written in the bible were written hundreds even thousands of years later and finally written down from word of mouth? And if you mean it's true because it's fact. It's not fact. A lot of the stories told are used to relate moral stances and right or wrong.

But you have the right to believe what you want. I'm not going to lecture anyone. Simply because religion is faith. And faith is something you just believe and let guide you without question. I just hope you have faith, whatever it may be.

Ciao!

how do u kno the stories in the bible where written thousands and hundreds years later...i guess u dont kno what word of mouth means from what your saying...and you say its not fact..how is that so prove it!... if you would read the bible you would kno that the "stories" have more in then ..then wat u think....unless you have the faith to say that there fake!...im sure revelations was written after it happend right...my bad it hasnt happend yet youll be surprised

believe i do got faith...one love one god one way...1

[Spirited Away]

"Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church"

thats funny u blame the church...theres more that one church...and more that one religion...im sure ur not attacking them all right...

...

There are churches and there's THE CHURCH... as in the official on in Vatican?

Yeash, Yeash. Do you think I'm an idiot?

What point are you trying to make?

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There are churches and there's THE CHURCH... as in the official on in Vatican?

Yeash, Yeash. Do you think I'm an idiot?

What point are you trying to make?

no no i dont think your an idiot as a matter of fact i think ur smart...but im just saying it seems like that statement is more foward the catholic side of the church back then it was the major religion...they where THE CHURCH ...but if your blaming it on the catholic side how can u blame it on the christian side?? either that or im just confused....1

[Spirited Away]

no no i dont think your an idiot as a matter of fact i think ur smart...but im just saying it seems like that statement is more foward the catholic side of the church back then it was the major religion...they where THE CHURCH ...but if your blaming it on the catholic side how can u blame it on the christian side?? either that or im just confused....1

Now I'm confused.

Are you saying that any Christian would not have acted like what the Catholic Church did?

What is the core belief in Christianity? Is it not in God, and that Jesus is the Son of God who was sent to die for the sins of man? Do Catholics not believe the same?

As for historical context, did Christians knew that Galileo was right and Catholics did not?

I don't understand why there would be a difference in what a Catholic or Christian would have done to Galileo in that era.

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Now I'm confused.

Are you saying that any Christian would not have acted like what the Catholic Church did?

What is the core belief in Christianity? Is it not in God, and that Jesus is the Son of God who was sent to die for the sins of man? Do Catholics not believe the same?

As for historical context, did Christians knew that Galileo was right and Catholics did not?

I don't understand why there would be a difference in what a Catholic or Christian would have done to Galileo in that era.

catholics do believe in god and that jesus is the son of god who was sent to die for them...they also believe that they should worship the virgen marie and many other saints...the christian i believe in i dont worship saints or any others just GOD ..he clearly says to not worship others saints or idols...the pope aint nothing 2 me...GOD is the one that rules supreme... big difference between catholics and chritians...half of my fam is catholic and other part are christians...they always try 2 put us down bcuz they kno we try not 2 sin but duh we are not perfect so every mistake we do they point it out.....so back then the CHURCH was the catholic church im sure christians would of not killed him...my bad back then christians where being killed and chased bcuz of there believes...isnt that the same decentent from the roman church..the same church that tried 2 kill jesus b4 he was born....big differences homie...1

[Spirited Away]

catholics do believe in god and that jesus is the son of god who was sent to die for them...they also believe that they should worship the virgen marie and many other saints...the christian i believe in i dont worship saints or any others just GOD ..he clearly says to not worship others saints or idols...the pope aint nothing 2 me...GOD is the one that rules supreme... big difference between catholics and chritians...half of my fam is catholic and other part are christians...they always try 2 put us down bcuz they kno we try not 2 sin but duh we are not perfect so every mistake we do they point it out.....so back then the CHURCH was the catholic church im sure christians would of not killed him...my bad back then christians where being killed and chased bcuz of there believes...isnt that the same decentent from the roman church..the same church that tried 2 kill jesus b4 he was born....big differences homie...1

Ah, so now you're saying that Catholics are to blame.

However, Christians DID not like Galileo either. As you can obviously conclude, the Church was the authority, but there is something called the Bible.

Before the Heliocentric model was accepted as general knowledge, the Bible supposedly held the "facts" of how the earth was formed. Knowledge from the Catholic Church AND Christians come from the Bible.

Now then, if Christians believed in the Bible, why would they not condemned Galileo as the Church did? How would you know if Christians did not ostracized Galileo? Do research before answering this question, else I will find historical texts to prove you wrong.

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Ah, so now you're saying that Catholics are to blame.

However, Christians DID not like Galileo either. As you can obviously conclude, the Church was the authority, but there is something called the Bible.

Before the Heliocentric model was accepted as general knowledge, the Bible supposedly held the "facts" of how the earth was formed. Knowledge from the Catholic Church AND Christians come from the Bible.

Now then, if Christians believed in the Bible, why would they not condemned Galileo as the Church did? How would you know if Christians did not ostracized Galileo? Do research before answering this question, else I will find historical texts to prove you wrong.

how bout u re read what i wrote and not make up things...i never blamed the catholics why would i do that...yea we both use the same bible...but catholics dont take it seriously....why do i say that bcuz its tru i have catholic friends and family and they dont really care about it....and how do u kno christians didnt like galileo? back then christians where fighting for there lives 2 survive just bcuz they believed something else so yea ...christians and catholics big difference how about you do your researh...why would christians condemned him did he kill any1? did he rape any1? no so then why would the christians condeme him? the very laws we use 2day come from christians principals if u didnt kno..God said u will be judged by your actions...i dont remember galileo killing any1..so why blame the christians if they werent the head of the church and there not...catholic church is big difference between a catholic and christian....last time i read you are blaming the chatholic church for the death of galileo you yourself said the CHURCH killed him....from what i read the church is catholic....1

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by the way i read what u wrote on the God topic...sorry about your injury playing volleyball i hope everything is better...i kno how it is i fractured my ankle playing basketball i just got off krutches last week i was using krutches for 6 weeks...well im out pz

[karrar]

I apologise silk i have not been able to spend alot of time on the internet this past week , so i could not finish responding to your false contradictions . I will go ahead and do some of them rite now since i am free for a while .
here we go

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There are many numerical contradictions in the Koran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations, however Mohammed, as you will see, being an illiterate was very capable of making such errors.

How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?
(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...

(Koran 10:3)
Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...

(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX days...

(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days...

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and the earth in 6 days. But the verses stated below contradict the above verses and imply that it took God 8 days to create the heaven and the earth. Read carefully and add up the numbers.

(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...

(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...

(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...

Do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2(for heavens) = 8 NOT 6

This implies that Mohammed did not know how to add integers.

In those Verses (7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59) you see that Allah( remember allah is just the arabic word for god nothing else) is clearly stating that he created the universe in six days.  the Verses (41:12) is describing the creation of the physical earth and the physical heavens around us.  If you count the two days in (41:9), the four days,in (41:10), and the two days mentioned in (41:12), we get a total of eight days. but my friend, the four days in (41:10) include the two days in (41:9), because the process it is described in (41:9-10) are from one series.  

2+4=6

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2.

Allah's Day Equals 1,000 Years or 50,000 Years?
(Koran 22:47)
...A day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

(Koran 32:5)
...To Him, on a Day, The space whereof will be a thousands years of your reckoning.

In the above verses it states clearly that a day of Allah is equal to a 1000 earth years. However, there is a contradiction in the verse stated below.

(Koran 70:4)
The angels and the Spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So,which is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

The first verse (22:47) above says one day according to Allah Almighty is worth 1000 years of ours. but, in the verse (32:5), it says that the journey from the time our souls moves to the time they arrive to their final destinations will take one thousand human years .  In the verses (70:4-5) Allah is referring to the day of judgment as a time period of 50 thousand years of ours.  The phrase "in a Day the measure (70:4)" refers to the Day of Judgment, where our judgment will take 50 thousand human years to finish before the very last person of mankind enters either heaven or hell.  The phrase "Day of Judgment" in Arabic doesn't mean one day.  It means many many days (50,000 years).

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How Many Gardens Of Paradise?
(Koran 39:73)
And those who feared their Lord will be led to THE Garden...

(Koran 41:30)
...But receive the glad tidings of THE Garden that which ye were promised!

(Koran 57:21)
Be ye foremost in seeking forgiveness from your Lord, and A Garden...

(Koran 79:41)
Their abode will be THE Garden.

In the above verses Mohammed refers to only ONE Garden of Paradise, but in the verses below he contradicts himself once again by saying that there are MANY Gardens of paradise.

(Koran 18:31)
For them will be GARDENS of Eternity...

(Koran 22:23)
Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds.
To GARDENS beneath which rivers flow...

(Koran 35:33)
GARDENS of Eternity will they Enter...

(Koran 78:32)
GARDENS enclosed, and Grapevines;

It looks like Mohammed could not make up his mind about the number of Gardens of Eternity in heaven.

In the verses you provided , you can see that the word "Garden" is used for Paradise.  The word "Garden" in those verses is "Jannah" in Arabic means Paradise....heaven .  We also see in Verses (18:31, 22:23, 35:33, and 78:32) the word "Gardens" is used for Paradise.  The word "Gardens" in those verses is written as "Jennat" in Arabic which is the plural for "Jannah".  
In the Arabic language, the singular and the plural for the word Paradise or Garden is the same thing.  Sometimes the word "Jannat" (Gardens) is used  by Allah to give a bigger picture for Paradise to the Muslims.  Also, according to the Quran, Heaven is made of different levels.  Not all humans who enter heaven will be on the same level.  Some will be at the highest level with the Prophets and the righteous people, and others will be at the lowest level where people who sinned a lot will be at.  The word "Jannah" (Garden) is used for putting all the levels of Heaven into one description which we call it Paradise. However, this big Paradise consists of several levels of Heavens or Gardens (Jannat).

It is also used in the english language " the lord of the heavens"(plural) .........or "we will all live in heaven peacefully"( singular ) get it ?


All for now , i have to finish some junk . i will post some more later ,and then finish it up tommoro . Also,it looks like you have wussied out of my challenge, you have yet to DEBUNK any of the " contradictions in the bible " that i posted earlier .........bbl

[*kryogenix*]

First of yes i do beleive in everything in the quran.... and no he was not under satanic posession while writing the koran( i have no idea where you got that from hit me up with some sources caz it looks liek you pulled that one rite out of your ass) he didn't even write the quran

ok so you want to know how islam is related to ibrahim(abraham ) muslims believe that when Abraham , the father of Isaac and Ishmael  offered his son for sacrifice for GOD , he offered Ishmael.( ancestor of the arabs ) Jews and Christians believe that he offered Isaac.( ancestor of hebrews )if you wanna have a friendly debate on this thats ok ..anytime

and oh yea one last thing about the contradictions dont worry i almost have them done i ll have em all posted by either tonight or tomoro but i think that was a little unfair you had me do all that work when you did nothing but copied and pasted i challenge you to DEBUNK these " contradictons in the bible" remember im not saynig there contradictions just wanna see what you have to say about them

here ya go...yep i did liek you just got some  sitte but go ahead show me the bibles authentacy ( remember im not saying its fake )


Who incited David to count the fighting men of  Israel?


(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)


(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


  In that count how many fighting men were found  in Israel?


(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One  million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)


  How many fighting men were found in Judah?


(a)  Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b)  Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)


  God sent his prophet to threaten David with  how many years of famine?


(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three  (I Chronicles 21:12)


  How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over  Jerusalem?


(a)  Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two  (2 Chronicles 22:2)


  How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of  Jerusalem?


(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b)  Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  How long did he rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b)  Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his  spear and killed how many men at one time

(a)  Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b)  Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)


  When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to  Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?


(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b)  Before  (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

  How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to  take into the Ark?


(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven  (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis  7:8-9)

  When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many  horsemen did he capture?


(a)  One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven  thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)


  How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?


(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b)  Four  thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)


  In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha,    King of Israel die?


(a) Twenty-sixth year  (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)

(b) Still  alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)


  How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of  building the temple?


(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three  thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)



  Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?


(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over  three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)


Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian  captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?


(a)  Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two  thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)


  How many were the children of Zattu?


(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)

(b) Eight  hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)


  How many were the children of Azgad?


(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two  thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)


  How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six  hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)


  How many were the children of Hashum?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three  hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)


  How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One  hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)



  Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total  number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close.  The totals obtained from each book is as follows:


(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089  (Nehemiah)



  How many singers accompanied the assembly?


(a)  Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two  hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

  What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?


(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah,  daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was  Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)


  Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?


(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b)  No  (Joshua 15:63)

  Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?


(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell  (Luke 3:23)


  Jesus descended from which son of David?


(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)


  Who was the father of Shealtiel?


(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’  (Luke 3:27)


  Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus  Christ?


(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa  (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah,  iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19,  20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.


  Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a)  Joram (Matthew 1:8)

(b)  Amaziah  (2 Chronicles 26:1)


  Who as the father of Jechoniah?


(a)  Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim  (I Chronicles 3:16)


  How many generations were there from the Babylonian  exile until Christ?


(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b)  But  a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

  Who was the father of Shelah?


(a)  Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b)  Arphaxad  (Genesis II: 12)


  Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?


(a)  Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b)  No(John  1:19-21)


  Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?


(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No,  since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And  Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s  throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

  Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?


(a)  One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they  brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b)  Two  - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their  garments on them and he sat thereon.”

  How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the  Christ?


(a)  By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b)  His  brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

  Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?


(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b)  On  the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John  1:
43)

  When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter  already dead?


(a)  Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter  has just died.”

(b)  No.  Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

  Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their  journey?


(a)  Yes(Mark6:8)

(b)  No  (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)


  Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b)  No  (Luke 9:9)

  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his  baptism?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b)  No  (John 1:32,33)


  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his  baptism?


(a)  Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b)  No  (Matthew 11:2)

  According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say  about bearing his own witness?


(a)  “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not  true” (John 5:3 1)

(b)  “Even  if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

  When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple  that same day?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b)  No.  He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing.  Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse  the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).


  The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the  tree wither at once?


(a)  Yes. (Matthew 21:19)

(b)    No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)



  Did Judas kiss Jesus?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b)  No.  Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)



  What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?


(a)  “The cock will not crow till you have denied me  three times” (John 13:38).

(b)  “Before  the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock  crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore  prediction (a) failed.


  Did Jesus bear his own cross?


(a)  Yes (John 19:17)

(b)  No  (Matthew 27:31-32)



  Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was  torn?


(a)  Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)

(b)  No.  After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into  thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)


  Did Jesus say anything secretly?


(a)  No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John  18:20)

(b)  Yes.  “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he  explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to  them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the  kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

  Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of  the crucifixion?


(a)  On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(b)  In  Pilate’s court (John 19:14)



  The gospels say that two thieves were crucified  along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?


(a)  Yes (Mark 15:32)

(b) No.  One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)


  Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the  crucifixion?


(a)  Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today  you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

(b)  No.  He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the  Father” (John 20:17)


  When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a  light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?


(a)  Yes(Acts9:7)


(b)  No(Acts22:9)

  When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did  his traveling companions also fall to the ground?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:14)


(b) No (Acts 9:7)


  Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s  duties were to be?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:16-18)


(b)  No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of  Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

  When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed  adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died  in that plague?


(a)  Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)


(b)  Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)


  How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?


(a)  Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)


(b)  Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

  What did Judas do with the blood money he received for  betraying Jesus?


(a)  He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)


(b)  He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The  priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a  field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

  How did Judas die?


(a)  After he threw the money into the temple he went away and  hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)


(b)  After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed  he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)


  Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?


(a)  Because the priests bought it with the blood money  (Matthew 27:8)


(b)  Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

  Who is a ransom for whom?


(a)  “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom  for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all...  “(I Timothy 2:5-6)


(b)  “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the  faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)


  Is the law of Moses useful?


(a)  Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2  Timothy 3:16)


(b)  No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because  of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)



  What was the exact wording on the cross?


(a)  “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew  27:37)


(b)  “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)


©  “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke  23:38)


(d)  “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews”  (John 19:19)

You have to realize that some things are messed up on translation.

As for those contradictions, I bet you didn't actually look them up in a Bible. Some of them aren't exact quotations, that's why there are ...'s there (i think they're called ellipsis). Some contradictions aren't really contradicions at all. If you read the entire Bible, you'll realize they aren't contradictions, someone just stated a question and used passages from the Bible to answer.

Why not defend the Koran, instead of attacking the Bible?

[edit]i see you just have, sorry.

[karrar]

You have to realize that some things are messed up on translation.

As for those contradictions, I bet you didn't actually look them up in a Bible. Some of them aren't exact quotations, that's why there are ...'s there (i think they're called ellipsis). Some contradictions aren't really contradicions at all. If you read the entire Bible, you'll realize they aren't contradictions, someone just stated a question and used passages from the Bible to answer.

Why not defend the Koran, instead of attacking the Bible?

hmmm intresting i could go 2 ways with this

1. i could remind you that the one who started this topic attacked the qur'an in the first place ......... and all i did was prove him wrong and blast a jab back at him

or

2. i could apologise to all who where offended


ill go with 2 since i wasn't trying to attack or offend any one when i posted that .I thought i made it clear in the begining of tthe post ,( i guess not ) but ya still took it the wrong way. I just wanted to see what silk has to say about it .I apologise to those who where offended, but i'd still like to see someone response to atleast a few of them .

[Spirited Away]

how bout u re read what i wrote and not make up things...i never blamed the catholics why would i do that...yea we both use the same bible...but catholics dont take it seriously....

If my cousin were reading this, she'd whoop your ass (i.e lecture you to death) like she did me. How horrible of you to even think that Catholics do not take the Bible anymore seriously than Christians.

The more I re-read your comments as you suggested, the more I get the feeling that you do not like Catholics.

Anyway, to make this clearer so that you won't think I'm not reading you correctly, I'll mush everything together.

What I have been saying thus far is very simple:

Catholics go by the Bible as do Christians. Catholics, like any ordinary people from that era, know not about the shape of our world and believed it to be as the Bible metaphorically suggests: four corners and supported by pillars. Because no technology or science could have proved otherwise, its hardly anyone's fault, Catholic or not, to assume the Bible was refering to our world as to a square-shaped.

If it's anyone's/anything's fault, it is the Bible (not Catholics) for not making itself clear and factual, instead being filled with metaphors and vague discriptions. After all, you would not blame your student of doing the wrong homework problems if you never specify clearly which page the homework problems are on.

why do i say that bcuz its tru i have catholic friends and family and they dont really care about it....and how do u kno christians didnt like galileo? back then christians where fighting for there lives 2 survive just bcuz they believed something else so yea ...

Really??? HAHAHHAHAHAHAH.

They denounced both his method and its results as absurd and impious. As to his method, professors bred in the "safe science" favoured by the Church argued that the divinely appointed way of arriving at the truth in astronomy was by theological reasoning on texts of Scripture; and, as to his results, they insisted, first, that Aristotle knew nothing of these new revelations; and, next, that the Bible showed by all applicable types that there could be only seven planets; that this was proved by the seven golden candlesticks of the Apocalypse, by the seven-branched candlestick of the tabernacle, and by the seven churches of Asia; [I]that from Galileo's doctrine consequences must logically result destructive to Christian truth. Bishops and priests therefore warned their flocks, and multitudes of the faithful besought the Inquisition to deal speedily and sharply with the heretic.[131b][/I]

Taken from this site.

If you need any more info, just ask. I really don't mind searching the net for this because it's so INCREDIBLY easy to find so many sources that basically say the same thing of how Galileo was treated by the Christian faith.

christians and catholics big difference how about you do your researh...why would christians condemned him did he kill any1? did he rape any1? no so then why would the christians condeme him? the very laws we use 2day come from christians principals if u didnt kno..God said u will be judged by your actions...i dont remember galileo killing any1..so why blame the christians if they werent the head of the church and there not...catholic church is big difference between a catholic and christian....last time i read you are blaming the chatholic church for the death of galileo you yourself said the CHURCH killed him....from what i read the church is catholic....1   

Hmmm, you patronize me, grasshopper. All this, and more, I have replied to with that simple source up there. I may not be of Christian faith, and do not have a relationship with your God, but that doesn't mean I'm completely ignorant of what your Holy Book teaches (which is COMMON SENSE when it talks about morality).

I blame not the religions, I blame middlemen: Church(es) and Bible.

by the way i read what u wrote on the God topic...sorry about your injury playing volleyball i hope everything is better...i kno how it is i fractured my ankle playing basketball i just got off krutches last week i was using krutches for 6 weeks...well im out pz

Ah thanks! It's a smite injury and the true reason for not posting is my busy life style which has gotten a little more complicated as of late. But altogeher, getting hurt when it's not your fault sucks bootay.

[karrar]

Some more

(Koran 56:7)
And ye shall be sorted out into THREE clbuttes.

The contradictory verses:
(Koran 90:18-19)
Such are the Companions of the right hand.
But those who reject our signs, they are
the companions of the left hand.

(Koran 99:6-8)
On the Day will men Proceed in companies sorted
out, to be shown the deeds that they had done.
Then shall anyone has done an ounce of good,
see it! And anyone who Has done an ounce of evil,
shall see it.

At first, Mohammed says that during the Last Judgement people will be divided into 3 groups. But in the later verses he seems to have changed his mind to 2 groups -- the group that has done evil and the group that has done good.

How can you not comprehend those verses the correct way ?, In the above Verses (56:7-56) you can see that there will be three main clbuttes .  Among the Good there will be the specially exalted clbutt, those nearest to Allah (56:11-26), and the righteous people generally, called the companions of the Right Hand (56:27-40).  And there will be those in gony, the companions of the Left Hand (56:41-56). Holy Verses (90:18-19), also, talk about the clbuttes of the Right Hand and the Left Hand, but do not say that these are the only clbuttes.  The same thing with Surahs (99:6-8), we see that they talk about the Right Hand and the Left Hand clbuttes indirectly by explaining that those who do good in their life will receive good in the Day of Judgment, and those who do bad in their life will receive bad in the Day of Judgment.  However, (90:18-19) also does not say that these are the only two clbuttes. Basicly what im trying to say is  (56:7-56) talk about the 3 clbuttes that we will be divided in in details.  (90:18-19, and 99:6-8) talk about only 2 clbuttes of the 3 that are mentioned in (56:7-56).


NOTE = for some reason the word c l a s s e s keeps changing to clbutts probay becuase of that that new editing createtblog trash

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During The Birth Of Jesus How Many Angels Spoke To Mary?
According to the Koran how many angels spoke to the virgin Mary at the time of the announciation of Jesus's birth? Well, Mohammed was no too sure about this, so he said that there were several angels in one verse and in the other he states that there was only one.

(Koran 3:42)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee...

(Koran 3:45)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O! Mary! Allah giveth thee...

(Koran 19:17)
...Then We sent to her (Mary) Our ANGEL...

The Verses (3:42-45) and (19:17-21) might look like they are contradicting each other becuase (3:42-45) is talking about multiple angels, while (19:17-21) talks about one angel.  BUT, there is no contradiction !  These two sets of Holy Verses took place at two different times. If had you read the verse completely youd know that. 

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Infinite Loop Problem
Now I will show that if we hold the following verses to be true then they will lead us to an infinite loop and eventually making the same verses invalid.

(Koran 26:192-196)
Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the
worlds: with it came down the Spirit of Faith and
Truth to thy heart and mind...in the prespicuous
Arabic tongue, without doubt it is announced in the
writings of revealed Books of former peoples.


In this sura, we find that Koran is announced in the earlier writings. First point to note here is that none of the earlier revelations were in Arabic. For example, the earlier writings were Torah and Injil written in Hebrew and Greek.

Two contradictions arise immediately:


How can an Arabic Koran be contained in books of other languages?


For verses (26:192-196) to be true, an earlier revelation X (for example) has to include those very verses (26:192-196) since the Koran is properly contained in all earlier revelations. Now, having those verses in the revelation X means that X itself has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Y. Applying the same logic, Y has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Z and so on. We find ourselves in an infinte loop which proves the absurdity of the verses (26:192-196)

The verses states about the Qur'an and describes it as being revealed by the Lord and it being in Arabic, however, the verses only say that the Qur'an was mentioned, or prophesied, in the "Zubr" (etchings/scripture) of the ancients. This does not mean that the Qur'an as a physical entity is to be found in that scripture, rather, what is to be found therein is mention of the Qur'an or a prophesy of it.

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Scientific Contradictions

The Koran teaches us that there are seven heavens one above the other and that the stars are in the lower heaven, but the moon is in the midst of the seven heavens.

However, in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.

(Koran 71:15-16)
Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens
one above the other, and made the moon a light in their
midst,and made the sun as a lamp?

(Koran 71:41:12)
And He completed the seven heavens in two
days and inspired in each heaven its command;
and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps,
and rendered it guarded...

Firstly, the Koran states that there are seven heavens in universe. Any sane person who has studied a bit of Modern Astronomy can tell that the conception of seven heavens was nothing but a result of Mohammed's absurd imagination. Muslim compliers try to cover up this serious flaw in the Koran by saying that the expression should be considered poetic rather than scientific.

Secondly, Koran claims that the stars are in a lower or even lowest heaven, while the moon is in a middle heaven. Even a child in primary standard knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon.

you present Noble Verses 71:15-16 which state "See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?." What the you didn't understand from these Noble Verses is that Allah Almighty claimed that the sun is the source of light "sirajan" and the moon is the reflection of light "Nooran".  The moon is not the source of light. Now, in Noble Verse 71:16 "and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?" indicates that the light whether comming from the sun (the source) or the moon has no limits.   The light can travel from one heaven to the other freely. The Noble Verses did not say that the moon belongs to the seven heavens or is further in distance to the earth than the stars to the earth.  The Noble Verses clearly talked about the light that comes from the sun and from the moon traveling freely through the seven heavens "...a light in their midst... (71:16)".

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Solomon listens to ants
The Koran talks about an incident where Somolom listens to ants while they are "talking".

(Koran 27:18-19)
At length, when they came to a valley of ants, one of
the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations,
lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot)
without knowing it."

So he smiled amused at her speech; and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which Thou has bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace to the ranks of Thy Righteous Servants."

This in deed is a new discovery by Mohammed about ants which directly contradicts the scientific fact that ants communicate using smells, not modulation of sounds. Solomon could not have heard any talk since ants do not produce any sound.

Would you say Jesus raising of the dead was scientifically sound? Or do you propose that this is also "scientifically" wrong?Or do you propose that Moses'(peace be upon him) staff turning into a snake is "scientifically" wrong?Don't confuse special miracles given to prophets with "scientific" proofs. A miracle, by definition, is something which human reasoning can not explain, but which the human is made to feel awe at the power of God!

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i have some more comming up soon, but uh sillk where have you been ? You have yet to start on those bible contradictions . Where are you ?

[gigiopolis]

Actually...to me it doesn't really matter much. Just because some things from the Koran are incorrect, it doesn't mean the religion itself is corrupt...

So long as the Koran teaches the right things, I don't think it matters if it's not God who says all of it.

People try to analyze religion so much, and I think we're all just defeating the purpose by doing that.

[laila]

u wanna know bout islam? cuz none of u have the least bit clue wat ur talkin bout. hit me up w/ur AIM s/n and if u wanna know seriously wat its all bout ill let u know. none of watever bs yall are comin up with.

[karrar]

Are you talking to me ?