anti-american sentimen, and whats wrong with our country Options

[sikdragon]

[quote]But since all reality is perception, oceans don't really exist. In fact, we are being invaded by Canadians right now -- you just don't see it.
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Oceans dont exist??? people percieve them all the time through all of their senses.

And as for the canadian invasion, canadians aren't people.

[quote]Perverse is anything that is unnatural, right?

The natural purpose of sex is to have children. Therefore, ANY sexual lifestyle that has a purpose other than having children is perverse. Monogamy is technically a perverse sexual relationship -- since it is not necessary for the purpose of having children. So is celibacy. The only non-perverse sexual relationship is trying to have as much sex to produce as many children as possible.[/quote]

lol... that is where morality comes in.. when survival is no longer an issue it changes. Perverse is deviating from what is known morally right or good. Thus far what is right and good by the bible's standard is natural, not the naturally occuring things mind you.

[quote]You are making generalizations -- a lot of adults don't even have the mental capability to choose to have sex, but a lot of 15 year olds do.[/quote]

15 year olds are still under the jurisdiction and ownership of their parents. Child labor and other laws prevent minors from getting good jobs and entering into legal contracts without the consent of a parent or gaurdian.

[quote]So whoever has teh most guns is right?

Then you have no right to complain about terrorist attacks against Israel. If Arafat gets nuclear weapons and blows Tel Aviv into glass, then he would be perfectly justified according to yo -- after all, power is law.

In fact, if you argue that might makes right, it's hard to say that anyone has rights or entitlements at all -- which means that the fundamental basis of the law doesn't exist. If the ends justify the means, then law does not exist. (since the law addresses means, not ends). In that case, power is NOT law -- there IS no law. You have anarchy --> which is bad because it leads to chaos and warfare. The ONLY way we will ever get peace in Israel/Palestine is if the two sides get together and draft a common set of laws that derives from legitimacy, not power. BUT we must allow them to set their own course -- it's not our fight.
[/quote]

Might doesn't make right. It makes it lawful. There is a difference. The government can govern us with their laws because we lack the will and power to overthrow the government.

Ends does not justify the means.

We must differ on this subject. I do not believe in peace in the middle east. When the peace maker comes who can settle the Israeli/Palestinian differences the "peace" will only last for seven years. Then all hell will break loose, literally.

It is every persons right to fight against the palestinians.

If someone was beating the sh!t out of some guy on the street with a baseball bat and you had a gun tucked in the back of your pants, what would you do? Just watch as he gets beaten to death or turn your head? That is your suggestion here.

[quote]There is only ONE reality. People have different TAKES on it (i.e. perceptions), thus people SEE reality differently, but there is only ONE objective reality, which is what holds people together. It's why we percieve the same things.[/quote]

Do you know this for a fact? Do you know that my definition of blue is not your definition of red? Your parents could see orange when you point out green. They would never know and niether would you. When a girl sees red could a man see pink?

[quote]But that was STILL A TAX! A tax by any other name is still a tax. You're arguing semantics.
[/quote]


you were trying to prove the Bible fallacious due to this so called "contradiction" which in fact does not exist cover to cover. All 40 writers never contradict each other over hundreds of years. amazing.

[quote]Yes, I believe you are referring to Romans 13... which is another HUGE contradiction... if everyone is supposed to follow the laws of the land, why didn't Jesus worship Zeus? Why did the Jews complain about their slavery? Etc.[/quote]

The law is to be upheld until it makes you choose between God and the law. You must choose God if you are to do right by him. The Jews have fallen from the grace of God numerous times.

[quote]It WAS a surprise attack ... that's why it ended so quickly. Egypt's defense line was over 100 miles inland. If they knew about the attack, they would've defended closer to the border.
[/quote]

Just because they did not know where the Israelis would attack doesn't mean they didn't know an attack was going to happen.

[quote]"If it is God's will, it will happen" is a true statement.

Of course, it was not God's will so the point is moot.

If you argue that God's will takes precedence over the laws of physics, then in fact there is no point in arguing -- since everything is already determined.[/quote]

Amen. God created physics and can bend their laws.

[quote]Nope. We DONT NEED ALLIES. But we also shouldn't let our people die to kill other people. We should follow the advice of the Founding Fathers: Friendship and peace, and honest trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none.[/quote]


That would be great wouldn't it? Those same founding fathers fought wars against the British. Just because Iraq wasn't invading doesn't mean the safety of America's citizens was not in danger.

[quote]By that logic, North Korea is a superpower.[/quote]

ok is that a problem?

[quote]So is Russia's government. Terrorists will have a much easier time getting nukes from Russia than from North Korea. Putin doesn't even KNOW where all his nukes are, because he has so many of them.[/quote]
Putin is one leader and can be handled more easily rather than a counsel of a hundred or so princes all with different opinions.


[quote]Iraq was not harboring terrorists, but they were still a threat! What the hell? WE MADE THEM A THREAT. Even in 1991, they were a threat to Saudi Arabia, not us.

EVERY major terrorist attack against the US since 1989 was carried out by Saudis. Why? Because all our troops in the Mid East were in Saudi Arabia. The next wave of terrorist attacks will be coming from Iraqis.[/quote]

Iraq was still a threat because they have WMD's. Now they are wherever the convoys that left Baghdad parked in Syria.

[quote]That's completely false. The father of modern conservatism was a man by the name of Barry Goldwater. A lot of people said about him the same things you say about libaerls now -- that he increasd support for the Republican Party, thus empowering the "me-too" conservatives (people like Dubya).

Eventually, Goldwater won the Republican nomination, defeating the popular Rockefeller. When he was campaigning in California, he had so many volutneers, he created volunteers to tell other volunteers what to do. Goldwater took back the Republican Party. Now if Goldwater followed your logic and thought "well the Republicans are doomed anyway, so I better support the Democrats", then the Republican Party of today would be worshipping Benito Mussolini (in many ways, it is, but it'd be doing that even more so).

The same way, the Democratic Party is redeemable today, as is the Republican Party. But for that to happen, there needs to be a Liberal revolution against the Socailists -- just like there needs to be a Libertarian (liberal) revolution against Religious Nuts and Neoconservatives in the Republican Party (there are probably more 'liberals' in the classic sense of the word in the Republican Party than the Democratic Party). That's the only way things are going to change.
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That does not support my logic and thought. I support republicans because they are for my interests and the interests of america regardless of those naysayers who do not know what they want.

As for the revolution against religious nuts well I, my good sir, will have to oppose.
Religious nuts are what make this world interesting.Without God life would suck. There would be no point in anyone surviving. There wouldn't be anyone keeping the presidents fingers off the nuke button.

[jarnifer]

what do you mean canadians aren't people???

[ComradeRed]

[quote]And as for the canadian invasion, canadians aren't people.[/quote]

Riiiiiiight.....

[quote]lol... that is where morality comes in.. when survival is no longer an issue it changes. Perverse is deviating from what is known morally right or good. Thus far what is right and good by the bible's standard is natural, not the naturally occuring things mind you.[/quote]

Who says the Bible's standard is neutral? You are simply invokign your moral stances -- which are NOT natural or universal, as can be clearly seen by teh fact that other people do not hold them.

For something to be natural, it must apply to ALL people.

ALL people can have babies if their anatomy is correct and have certain forms of sexual intercourse -- however not ALL people believe in the Bible.

[quote]15 year olds are still under the jurisdiction and ownership of their parents. Child labor and other laws prevent minors from getting good jobs and entering into legal contracts without the consent of a parent or gaurdian.[/quote]

Then should we give parents the right to decide whether their kids have sex?

[quote]Might doesn't make right. It makes it lawful. There is a difference. The government can govern us with their laws because we lack the will and power to overthrow the government.[/quote]

No it does not make it lawful.

If a robber breaks into your house and holds you hostage with a gun, he has MIGHT -- however, he does not have LAW. Similarly, if an illegitiamte (tyrannical) government decrees something -- it is not an effective law. It is a decree, just as the decree "give me your money" a robber would give you at gunpoint.

A law is something that everyone ought to obey equally. This does not happen in most governments.

[quote]We must differ on this subject. I do not believe in peace in the middle east. When the peace maker comes who can settle the Israeli/Palestinian differences the "peace" will only last for seven years. Then all hell will break loose, literally.[/quote]

I do not desire "peace" in the Middle East -- I desire for US to get out of the Middle East. Israel and Palestine can blow each other up all they want -- as long as none of the bombs are hitting New York City.

[quote]It is every persons right to fight against the palestinians.[/quote]

No, you only have a right to fight against people who have hurt you or are in the process of hurting you. Otherwise, you are committing aggression.

[quote]If someone was beating the sh!t out of some guy on the street with a baseball bat and you had a gun tucked in the back of your pants, what would you do? Just watch as he gets beaten to death or turn your head? That is your suggestion here.[/quote]

I would call the police. What if the person getting the sh*t beat out of him robbed the other guy first? What if that person killed hte other guy's family members? You don't know things like this. It is better not to get involved unless you have an interest in that party. IT is an especially good idea not to get involved if the person getting the sh*t beat out of him has a track record for robbing and pludering other people's houses and then attacking people who try to rescue him.

[quote]you were trying to prove the Bible fallacious due to this so called "contradiction" which in fact does not exist cover to cover. All 40 writers never contradict each other over hundreds of years. amazing.[/quote]

Yes they do... Any site will say that. TWO different dates are given for Jesus's birth. THREE different people are listed as fathers of St. Joseph.

[quote]Just because they did not know where the Israelis would attack doesn't mean they didn't know an attack was going to happen.[/quote]

There was only one place Israel COULD attack... an easily defended 15-mile-wide strip of desert.

[quote]Amen. God created physics and can bend their laws.[/quote]

So God does not have to follow his own laws.

Well, a governing authority that does not follow its own laws is usually called a Dictatorship. It is similiar to the Robber scenario I brought up before.

[quote]That would be great wouldn't it? Those same founding fathers fought wars against the British. Just because Iraq wasn't invading doesn't mean the safety of America's citizens was not in danger.[/quote]

British troops were IN our country, TAXING our citizens.

Do you see Iraqi tax collectors here?

If you are talking about the War of 1812, the British were inciting Indians along our fronteir to attack our towns. Iraq NEVER attacked us.

[quote]Putin is one leader and can be handled more easily rather than a counsel of a hundred or so princes all with different opinions.[/quote]

Saddam was one guy...

[quote]Iraq was still a threat because they have WMD's. Now they are wherever the convoys that left Baghdad parked in Syria.[/quote]

Unsubstantiated claim. We have found NO evidence of WMDs. Furthermore, Syria closed off the border with Iraq at the beginning of the war... the WMDs would not have been able to escape. Plus, we had 24-7 sattelite surveillance of ALL of Iraq. If the WMDs moved, we'd know about it.

[quote]That does not support my logic and thought. I support republicans because they are for my interests and the interests of america regardless of those naysayers who do not know what they want.[/quote]

"Republicans" are anything from Ron Paul to John McCain to Orrin Hatch. How can they ALL support your interests and the interests of America? Republicans have voted both FOR and AGAINST the War in Iraq. They have voted both FOR and AGAINST the PATRIOT Act. All Republicans are different.

[quote]As for the revolution against religious nuts well I, my good sir, will have to oppose.
Religious nuts are what make this world interesting.Without God life would suck. There would be no point in anyone surviving. There wouldn't be anyone keeping the presidents fingers off the nuke button.[/quote]

There would be the law keeping the President's fingers off the Nuke button.

There's a difference between BELIEVING IN GOD as a personal thing -- and being a religious nut, where you want to IMPOSE your beliefs on others. That is what people like Osama Bin Laden try to do.

[sikdragon]

[quote]Who says the Bible's standard is neutral? You are simply invokign your moral stances -- which are NOT natural or universal, as can be clearly seen by teh fact that other people do not hold them.

For something to be natural, it must apply to ALL people.

ALL people can have babies if their anatomy is correct and have certain forms of sexual intercourse -- however not ALL people believe in the Bible.[/quote]
They dont have to believe in it, the bible exists therefore it applies to all people because it is the highest authority on everything aside from God himself. Regardless of belief. Aren't you the one that said reality is independant from perception?

[quote]No it does not make it lawful.

If a robber breaks into your house and holds you hostage with a gun, he has MIGHT -- however, he does not have LAW. Similarly, if an illegitiamte (tyrannical) government decrees something -- it is not an effective law. It is a decree, just as the decree "give me your money" a robber would give you at gunpoint.

A law is something that everyone ought to obey equally. This does not happen in most governments.[/quote]

Dude you need to come up with some better examples, The robber has might but not more might than the government so he is commiting an illegal act. That government cannot issue an effective law unless that government is not contested in any way.



[quote]I do not desire "peace" in the Middle East -- I desire for US to get out of the Middle East. Israel and Palestine can blow each other up all they want -- as long as none of the bombs are hitting New York City.[/quote]

So your attitude is, if it doesn't affect me it is none of my business?

[quote]No, you only have a right to fight against people who have hurt you or are in the process of hurting you. Otherwise, you are committing aggression.[/quote]

Same as before. its not aggression if you stop the violence.

[quote]I would call the police. What if the person getting the sh*t beat out of him robbed the other guy first? What if that person killed hte other guy's family members? You don't know things like this. It is better not to get involved unless you have an interest in that party. IT is an especially good idea not to get involved if the person getting the sh*t beat out of him has a track record for robbing and pludering other people's houses and then attacking people who try to rescue him.[/quote]

So you have the guy with the bat arrested for beating up a guy that robbed him, yeah real nice.


[quote]Yes they do... Any site will say that. TWO different dates are given for Jesus's birth. THREE different people are listed as fathers of St. Joseph.[/quote]

buddy, those are sites not the real thing. anyone can put anything they want on the internet regardless of validity.


[quote]There was only one place Israel COULD attack... an easily defended 15-mile-wide strip of desert.[/quote]

So how the hell would it be a surprise?


[quote]So God does not have to follow his own laws.

Well, a governing authority that does not follow its own laws is usually called a Dictatorship. It is similiar to the Robber scenario I brought up before.[/quote]

Those aren't God's laws those are man made laws. He made physics and can change his creation.


[quote]British troops were IN our country, TAXING our citizens.

Do you see Iraqi tax collectors here?

If you are talking about the War of 1812, the British were inciting Indians along our fronteir to attack our towns. Iraq NEVER attacked us.[/quote]


Because we stopped Iraq before they could.


[quote]Saddam was one guy...[/quote]

Saddam was sadistic and had plans to attack the US. When you ask someone to do something for twelve years with threats and then dont hold up your end you look like you're just talkin sh*t. We weren't.


[quote]Unsubstantiated claim. We have found NO evidence of WMDs. Furthermore, Syria closed off the border with Iraq at the beginning of the war... the WMDs would not have been able to escape. Plus, we had 24-7 sattelite surveillance of ALL of Iraq. If the WMDs moved, we'd know about it.[/quote]


Hey, Iraq tested WMD's on the Kurds. The convoys left before we officially started operation bomb the hell outta your country.



[quote]"Republicans" are anything from Ron Paul to John McCain to Orrin Hatch. How can they ALL support your interests and the interests of America? Republicans have voted both FOR and AGAINST the War in Iraq. They have voted both FOR and AGAINST the PATRIOT Act. All Republicans are different.[/quote]


The party itself not the people in the party, the goals of the republican party are stumbling blocks in the path of the socialist party so they are good and support the interests of our country.


[quote]There would be the law keeping the President's fingers off the Nuke button.

There's a difference between BELIEVING IN GOD as a personal thing -- and being a religious nut, where you want to IMPOSE your beliefs on others. That is what people like Osama Bin Laden try to do. [/quote]


Law wouldnt keep the fingers off the buttons, laws are made by wars and fear of war.

Im still not gettin the religious nut thing.

[ComradeRed]

[quote]They dont have to believe in it, the bible exists therefore it applies to all people because it is the highest authority on everything aside from God himself. Regardless of belief. Aren't you the one that said reality is independant from perception?[/quote]

The Koran also exists ... does that make it the highest authority that applies to all people?

The Bible was written by human authors. "That God inspired the Bible" is a BELIEF that cannot be verified as reality.

[quote]Dude you need to come up with some better examples, The robber has might but not more might than the government so he is commiting an illegal act. That government cannot issue an effective law unless that government is not contested in any way.[/quote]

In a state of anarchy, is the robber then a government?

Or if the robber paid off the police, so the police doesn't go after the robber, is "give me all your money" now a law?

[quote]So your attitude is, if it doesn't affect me it is none of my business?[/quote]

That's right. If it doesn't harm me, I do not have the right to use violence to affect it.

[quote]Same as before. its not aggression if you stop the violence.[/quote]

Egypt didn't attack first ... aggerssion is when you use violence first.

[quote]buddy, those are sites not the real thing. anyone can put anything they want on the internet regardless of validity.[/quote]

Read the Bible itself then...

[quote]So how the hell would it be a surprise?[/quote]

Surprise or not, it was aggression... I can warn you that I will beat you up, and then attack you, and that doesn't make me right.

[quote]Those aren't God's laws those are man made laws. He made physics and can change his creation.[/quote]

We didn't "make" physics... we discovered it... Obviously, God "made" the laws of Physics -- and a good lawgiver Always follows his own laws.

[quote]Because we stopped Iraq before they could.[/quote]

THat's one of MANY possibilities ... we also created new terrorist cells that may have taken their nuclear weapons.

You are arguing from conjecture.

[quote]Saddam was sadistic and had plans to attack the US. When you ask someone to do something for twelve years with threats and then dont hold up your end you look like you're just talkin sh*t. We weren't.[/quote]

When did Saddam threaten to attack the US?

[quote]Hey, Iraq tested WMD's on the Kurds. The convoys left before we officially started operation bomb the hell outta your country.[/quote]

The Kurds were in revolt -- if we had nuclear bombs during the Civil War, you can bet Atlanta would be radioactive ash.

I'm not defending Saddam's use of WMDs -- but you have to realize that we would do the exact same thing, as we did to protestors in the 60s, and the South in the Civil War -- we should stop being so hypocritical. Freeodm here first, then we can complain about freedom in other countries.

[quote]The party itself not the people in the party, the goals of the republican party are stumbling blocks in the path of the socialist party so they are good and support the interests of our country.[/quote]

There is no socialist party...

Also the Republican Party platforms disagree with each other. Read the National Republican Party platform.

THen read the platform of the Republican Party of Texas -- which is anti-PATRIOT Act and anti-deficit.

The Republican Party is the big tent party -- they don't have a single belief.

Besides, the Republican Party's War in Iraq HELPED socialism -- this is EXTREMELY well-documented. Bush gave socialists all over the world a cause to unite around. Thus, socialists won elections in Romania, Spain, Lithuania, Germany, etc. FOR THE FIRST TIME in many years -- because the socialists had something to unite around. I hear David Cobb is becoming more popular here too.

[quote]Law wouldnt keep the fingers off the buttons, laws are made by wars and fear of war.[/quote]

Laws exist in peacetime...

In war, laws are usually suspended -- if laws were created because of war, why are they only followed in peace?

[quote]Im still not gettin the religious nut thing.[/quote]

A religious nut is somehow who uses religion as a substitute for reason and evidence. There is nothing wrong with religion per se, just when you overuse it.

[sikdragon]

[quote]
The Koran also exists ... does that make it the highest authority that applies to all people?

The Bible was written by human authors. "That God inspired the Bible" is a BELIEF that cannot be verified as reality.[/quote]

The Koran is flawed by its several contradictions. The Bible isn't, God inspired or not. It was and is God inspired.


[quote]In a state of anarchy, is the robber then a government?

Or if the robber paid off the police, so the police doesn't go after the robber, is "give me all your money" now a law?[/quote]


yes and yes.

"police dont go after the robber."


[quote]That's right. If it doesn't harm me, I do not have the right to use violence to affect it.
[/quote]

violence shouldnt be regarded as just not an answer but as a last resort.

[quote]Egypt didn't attack first ... aggerssion is when you use violence first.

[/quote]

What about provocation?


[quote]Read the Bible itself then...[/quote]

That's always good advice. Heed thine own words.


[quote]Surprise or not, it was aggression... I can warn you that I will beat you up, and then attack you, and that doesn't make me right.[/quote]

no it wasnt.
And your example doesnt prove anything, there actual circumstances are yet unspecified.



[quote]We didn't "make" physics... we discovered it... Obviously, God "made" the laws of Physics -- and a good lawgiver Always follows his own laws.[/quote]


God didn't make the laws of physics, he made physics and we accepted them as law.


[quote]THat's one of MANY possibilities ... we also created new terrorist cells that may have taken their nuclear weapons.

You are arguing from conjecture.[/quote]

Yes we have created terrorist cells. Not because of shock and awe or our capturing of Saddam. It is because congress and the american people are so divided when it comes to foreign policy there is fear of a civil war and the slaughtering of fruits and protestors, without them we can't have our cake and eat it too.


[quote]When did Saddam threaten to attack the US?[/quote]

Never orally to my knowledge and i never said he did. He hated us and was working on getting missiles that could reach us, do the math.

[quote]The Kurds were in revolt -- if we had nuclear bombs during the Civil War, you can bet Atlanta would be radioactive ash.

I'm not defending Saddam's use of WMDs -- but you have to realize that we would do the exact same thing, as we did to protestors in the 60s, and the South in the Civil War -- we should stop being so hypocritical. Freeodm here first, then we can complain about freedom in other countries.[/quote]

There is only black and white. You are trying to make a gray area by saying we would have, but we didn't. You can't use hypocrisies that haven't happened.

One step forward today with no step backs tommorow is a lot better than a hundred steps today and a thousand steps back tommorow.

[quote]There is no socialist party...

Also the Republican Party platforms disagree with each other. Read the National Republican Party platform.

THen read the platform of the Republican Party of Texas -- which is anti-PATRIOT Act and anti-deficit.

The Republican Party is the big tent party -- they don't have a single belief.

Besides, the Republican Party's War in Iraq HELPED socialism -- this is EXTREMELY well-documented. Bush gave socialists all over the world a cause to unite around. Thus, socialists won elections in Romania, Spain, Lithuania, Germany, etc. FOR THE FIRST TIME in many years -- because the socialists had something to unite around. I hear David Cobb is becoming more popular here too.[/quote]

There is a war coming it always has been. It didn't help socialism, it defined our enemy. As for the republican party, look at it like the bloodz and the cripz. The bloodz got the fire power but they aint got the man power to wipe them out. Tha bloodz ally wit all them other street gangs that hate the cripz too.


[quote]A religious nut is somehow who uses religion as a substitute for reason and evidence. There is nothing wrong with religion per se, just when you overuse it. [/quote]


over use it? I might be offended, i'm not sure.

[gerundio]

The Bible isn't, God inspired or not. It was and is God inspired.

And the tooth fairy is real...

[sikdragon]

What is the tooth fairy? I have a general idea but i would like to know your thoughts as to why it can be compared to God or his Word.

The incredulosity of that statement has set a new record of remedial ability in the non-comprehension of life as we know it.

[gerundio]

What is the tooth fairy? I have a general idea but i would like to know your thoughts as to why it can be compared to God or his Word.

It seems like my you misunderstood my post (AGAIN). My point was that the tooth fairy never existed, does not exist, and never will. In the same way, the Bible has never been God's "Word", is not right now, and never will be.

The incredulosity of that statement has set a new record of remedial ability in the non-comprehension of life as we know it.

Stop trying to use big words to make yourself look better. It's not working.

[sikdragon]

If you must deny God's existence to justify your life, so be it. But when the time comes he will be forced by his just nature to deny you.

Im not using big words to make myself look better. I am using them because i have just learned them and am trying to embed them into my conscious ability to better communicate my ideals and philosophies to better educate my peers.

[gerundio]

Im not using big words to make myself look better. I am using them because i have just learned them and am trying to embed them into my conscious ability to better communicate my ideals and philosophies to better educate my peers.

If you're so good with words, than how can you not know basic reading comprehension? Look at your response to my post:

If you must deny God's existence to justify your life, so be it. But when the time comes he will be forced by his just nature to deny you.

I never denied God's existence you moron. I said that the Bible is not God's words. Big difference.

[sikdragon]

how can you believe in God but not the bible? They are one and the same.

[gerundio]

how can you believe in God but not the bible? They are one and the same.

How dumb can you be? You're saying that God, a thing, a concept, a being, that we humans cannot understand is the same as a collection of stories created by humans? So , God = a book? WOW.

[Spirited Away]

If you must deny God's existence to justify your life, so be it. But when the time comes he will be forced by his just nature to deny you.

To deny happiness to good people is to love? Is "just"?

[gigiopolis]

And as for the canadian invasion, canadians aren't people.

Excuse me? We aren't people? Keep in mind; a lot of people think that practically every country's people dislike/hate the US, but Canada is pretty much loved by many. Why? How can two countries so close to each other have such drastically different reactions from other foreign lands? The reason is pretty clear now: Americans go around making stereotypes for everyone and discriminating against everyone except for their fellow Americans. They think they rule the world, and they boss people around. Like I said before, the only reason America has such a horrible reputation is because of people like YOU. I understand that not everyone in America is like YOU, because I'm not an idiot who goes around with their minds closed, pretending to be the boss of everyone. I understand that most people are actually very kind and caring, and don't make stupid assumptions.

Just because Canada doesn't exactly have the same amount of power that the US does, doesn't mean we aren't people.

I have no problem with you stating your arguments in a way that supports your opinion, but a senseless sentence like that is absolutely unacceptable. As far as I'm concerned, anything that insults another group of people without proper reasons is just unacceptable.

Oceans dont exist??? people percieve them all the time through all of their senses.

And oceans don't exist. Oceans are just one huge body of water, but the first map-makers made names and created borders for these oceans to make their lives easier. Same goes with this question: what's the difference between an ocean and a sea? Well, there is no difference. Generally, a sea is smaller in size, but they are both alike and the same - bodies of water.

So , God = a book? WOW.

LOL!!

[Rachel]

a. your right i do think your a old fashioned right winged cowboy, also i think your an ass.
b. everyone has rights, that includes women and GAYS. open your mind to more than one kind of love.
c. also your poll answers blow. 2 out of the 4 are against america. the one that does support it doesnt give all sides of support. there are way more than 4 opinions on america.

[sikdragon]

How dumb can you be? You're saying that God, a thing, a concept, a being, that we humans cannot understand is the same as a collection of stories created by humans? So , God = a book? WOW. 

i can be pretty dumb at times, but it comes with the territory of being human.
The Bible is more than a collection of stories. The Bible is the only irrefutable record of his existence. We are all witnesses, don't let anyone tell you not to say nothin, you've all been pinched and life is a trial.

To deny happiness to good people is to love?  Is "just"?

number one, the thing you fail to realize is that there is no such thing as a good people. all have the blood of christ on their hands, he was innocent and died taking every sin that has ever been commited in the past present and future onto himself.

Excuse me? We aren't people? Keep in mind; a lot of people think that practically every country's people dislike/hate the US, but Canada is pretty much loved by many. Why? How can two countries so close to each other have such drastically different reactions from other foreign lands? The reason is pretty clear now: Americans go around making stereotypes for everyone and discriminating against everyone except for their fellow Americans. They think they rule the world, and they boss people around. Like I said before, the only reason America has such a horrible reputation is because of people like YOU. I understand that not everyone in America is like YOU, because I'm not an idiot who goes around with their minds closed, pretending to be the boss of everyone. I understand that most people are actually very kind and caring, and don't make stupid assumptions.

Just because Canada doesn't exactly have the same amount of power that the US does, doesn't mean we aren't people.

I have no problem with you stating your arguments in a way that supports your opinion, but a senseless sentence like that is absolutely unacceptable. As far as I'm concerned, anything that insults another group of people without proper reasons is just unacceptable.

Damn you people have no sense of humor. not you people as canadians, im talking about everyone who took that seriously.
and im not pretending to be a boss of everyone, im a servant delivering the truth. People like me? because i won't change my actions or views to appeal to others? If i did change my views like you suggest to make the world happy, that would make me a two faced and a liar. If i changed my beliefs as well for another imperfect human that would mean i would go with the flow and there would be one less fish swimming upstream and those that i would have touched would be going down stream just to keep the peace that we have now. Im sorry but to keep the other nations happy would be like writing our own suicide note. Without war there is no peace, without bombs there is no law. If we are loved we better like the reasons why. Most people are not kind and caring, why else must we keep our doors locked? If we aren't hated then there is something wrong with us. The rest of the world isn't in such a good shape, if so many countries are willing to support palestine and egypt in their hatred of Israel.

And oceans don't exist. Oceans are just one huge body of water, but the first map-makers made names and created borders for these oceans to make their lives easier. Same goes with this question: what's the difference between an ocean and a sea? Well, there is no difference. Generally, a sea is smaller in size, but they are both alike and the same - bodies of water.

Go to the beach at the edge of a land mass that is bigger than the land surrounding it. That right there is an ocean. seas dont surround land, they are surrounded by land.

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a. your right i do think your a old fashioned right winged cowboy, also i think your an ass.
b. everyone has rights, that includes women and GAYS. open your mind to more than one kind of love.
c. also your poll answers blow. 2 out of the 4 are against america. the one that does support it doesnt give all sides of support. there are way more than 4 opinions on america.

a. i get that a lot from people who are easily offended. and i think you are extremely shallow.
b. did i say they didnt have rights? im saying homosexuality is just like cleptomania not taking responsibility for your own actions and blaming it on a disease. women do have rights, but are the downfall of mankind, women don't belong in the work place because they think and work using emotion rather than logic. if they do learn logic it is like a second language. But if it wasnt for women all men would be disgusting and be no better than animals. Everyone is different, but there is only one kind of love and that is God.
c. that was the first time i ever made a poll and i wasnt trying to show every side of support i was just making that to make things more interesting, but i see it bothers you so i should take it off or wait i think there is a button for views not given... the null vote button.

[gerundio]

i can be pretty dumb at times, but it comes with the territory of being human.
The Bible is more than a collection of stories. The Bible is the only irrefutable record of his existence. We are all witnesses, don't let anyone tell you not to say nothin, you've all been pinched and life is a trial.

Maybe you are not dumb, but just a religious nut and fanatic.

[karrar]

silk dragon dont yap your mouth about the qur'an if you have know idea about it ..........do you know arabic have you read it ?..........go ahead and list your " contradictions" here.......

[gigiopolis]

Damn you people have no sense of humor. not you people as canadians, im talking about everyone who took that seriously.
and im not pretending to be a boss of everyone, im a servant delivering the truth. People like me? because i won't change my actions or views to appeal to others? If i did change my views like you suggest to make the world happy, that would make me a two faced and a liar. If i changed my beliefs as well for another imperfect human that would mean i would go with the flow and there would be one less fish swimming upstream and those that i would have touched would be going down stream just to keep the peace that we have now. Im sorry but to keep the other nations happy would be like writing our own suicide note. Without war there is no peace, without bombs there is no law. If we are loved we better like the reasons why. Most people are not kind and caring, why else must we keep our doors locked? If we aren't hated then there is something wrong with us. The rest of the world isn't in such a good shape, if so many countries are willing to support palestine and egypt in their hatred of Israel.




Go to the beach at the edge of a land mass that is bigger than the land surrounding it. That right there is an ocean. seas dont surround land, they are surrounded by land.

Um, well I didn't find it funny...=S I'm sure a whole bunch of people did though. I agree that Canada can't invade any country. I mean, c'mon. We speak two languages. Canada can't even unify their own language into ENGLISH. We are getting bossed around by Quebec, honestly. A country that can't invade parts of themselves can't invade other countries...

Go to the beach at the edge of a land mass that is bigger than the land surrounding it. That right there is an ocean. seas dont surround land, they are surrounded by land.

If you wanted to get really technical, then, no, that's not an ocean. It's a great big body of water. A sea is a body of water also. You could do the same test and both are bodies of water. Oceans and seas are are just names. And I realized, this whole ocean thing is going off topic, so...maybe we should stop talking about it? LOL.

[jarnifer]

just curious, did sikdragon name himself "debate section owner"? or the forum did?

[sikdragon]

do you want to contest it? Until someone can I will own all of you who post in here.

[gigiopolis]

sikdragon replies a lot. It doesn't mean that his opinions are always the ones that have the best backup. Gerundio, uninspiredfae, and especially ComradeRed have excellent reasons, albeit a lesser amount of posts. So sikdragon really can't "own" the debate section opinion-wise, but he can certainly "own" it post-quantity-wise.

[sikdragon]

what do you mean i dont have the best reasoning? Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean my reasons aren't clear and well thought out. I dont own the debate section because i post a lot, it is because i have the most reasonably uncontestable opinions.

[tofumonzter]

no polling please. give evidence and prove your point.