anti-american sentimen, and whats wrong with our country Options

[sikdragon]

I am an American and i am proud. Now why the hell is anti-american sentiment news? we have been hated long before Iraq. We are hated because we allies with Isreal. Call me an old fashioned right winged cowboy, i dont care. but think what side would you rather be on the right or the wrong? thats what i thought. Don't you see how pussified this country has become?

faggots are fighting for their right to marry, what kind of **** is that? there was a time when these people were taken in the back and shot, its not a disease it is a choice. and since when do we care what other countries thought of what we do? the leaders of those countries are all using the same concept, make money.

Now i can see why poor people support liberalism/communism, yeah it'll cut out the middle class and make everyone around them poor, wait thats not a good thing. In this country the way it is there is room for advancement. Everyone one of you are being turned into robots, controlled by the tv. The tv is controlled by the liberal media which will spare nothing to keep you on it's side. You never hear about the good things that happen because of Bush because you have a news source that hates him with a passion, why because he has conservative values. What are those? u might ask, well those are those tiny things your parents vaguely remember before they began to stop listening to their parents. and we wonder why there is so much violence and murder and drunk driving in this country.

It's because the men aren't being men anymore. Running from their problems instead of fighting. Now kids are learning that if they join gangs they become men. WHAT KIND OF **** IS THAT? some guy picks on you, doesnt matter if he is smaller than you, you gotta have him jumped instead of being a man and getting your ass kicked. Taking it on the chin hurts too much, i gotta get my gun.

Feminism was one of the worst things that has happened to this country. Now im not saying women shouldnt have rights, im saying that by killing the home maker and giving her a choice you leave the child to be raised by the television or some day care center. that doesnt sound bad does it? well what happens when your child doesnt listen to you anymore, the child feels neglected, the child resorts to drugs to kill their problems, or drinks to drown their problems instead of facing them.

The new movie with the blonde whore from 8mile is such bullshit. yeah instead of confronting my boyfriend lets go behind his back and be "clever" teehee. < what was she scared she might break up with him because of a question? sounds like a great relationship doesnt it. trust, love, and faith arent things that define marriage, those things are only in the movies. those things arent virtues they are bullshit. oh wait is that why the divorce rate has gone up so much???

Clinton was the third worst president we have ever had, wait he did great with the economy? Hell no, he jacked up the taxes and used multi-billion dollar bombs on some walmart tents. That is some strategy isnt it? He sold military secrets to the chinese and now they have rockets? WOW, i am soo surprised.

Ok JFK was elected by the teamsters and assassinated when his brother started using government power to slaughter many important families. But before he died he decided to do some serious damage. This democrat got us into the vietnam war. Then his dumb ass VP kept us there slaughtering our troops. Bush is the warmonger? i dont think so. Instead of going in there full force he chose not to shock and awe. He sent inexpierienced troops into asia, and the most commonly known fact before you idiots starting drinking your polluted water, was never get in a land war in asia. Then when Nixon got in there and made him look like a fool, by asking congress to let him bomb the hell outta that country, they said no so he did the logical thing. Pull out our troops. This was only because we werent making enough body bags for the bodies.

Right now we're winning, Saddam has been captured, Iraqi gangs are killing off the old regime. It is not the same thing, there is no comparison between the iraq war and the vietnam war.

Does your hero support Kerry? does he/she also support NAMBLA? cuz they are on the same team. maybe your hero isnt as smart as you thought, try thinking for yourself.

If you are offended by any or all of these statements i got some words for you, quit being a hoe. DEAL WITH IT, I AM RIGHT.

MODS I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CUSSING, IT HELPS TO EXPRESS MY FEELINGS AND HOW MESSED UP IT REALLY IS. DONT DELETE THIS JUST BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE THIS IS THE DEBATE SECTION.

Quote of my life:"Stand up for what is right, even if you are standing alone."

[sikdragon]

i am not closed minded but i have yet to hear an arguement that has swayed my opinion

[Spirited Away]

I would have voted better if you had included "Yes, I support America but I do not always agree with its government"... or something like that.

[sikdragon]

its not all about the poll read what i wrote

[Spirited Away]

its not all about the poll read what i wrote

I did read, but the poll was what drew my attention.

I agree somewhat with your points, but I have to disagree with your views on feminism, marriage, and few other minor points.

I'm a centrist so I usually agree to things from either side of the political spectrum, so even though you make sense in somethings, I don't agree with them.

You seem to be neglecting the fact that there are many females who act as the head of the household. How do you suppose a child be raised with one working Mother? If you can suggest a valid idea, I'm sure many single Mothers would appreciate it.

As for your example of 8 Miles, I've never seen it... However, marriage IS trust, love, and faith and isn't only in movies. They are what characterize a good marriage and it's up to the people in the relationship to exert them to their full potentials. So, if it happens that a marriage is screwed up, it's probably because the couple is screwed over by their own selfishness... etc.

[sikdragon]

men being men would be a good example, waiting until marriage until having children. if so many dad's didnt leave then there wouldnt be so much crap going on.

ur right about marriage im saying that for the benefit of the reader sort of as reverse psychology.

my views on feminism are proven everyday, just look at the world around you. If you dont see it, you are to rich to argue with me about anything.

u should watch 8 mile it is inspiring.

but that is your opinion and i respect that.

[highly_evolved]

im american and embarrased. i mean who WOULDNT attack a country that we THOUGHT had weapons of mass destruction. i mean isnt that the logical thing to do? of course id love to support the giant business oweners like mr.trump. hey maybe we can get another casino! yay! i think that would help our education system dont you?

[sikdragon]

im sensing some sarcasm, but anyone but bush, because bush was the only conservative to run for president. but i think that whole statement was brought upon by not liberal but satanist propaganda.

[Spirited Away]

you are to rich to argue with me about anything.

u should watch 8 mile it is inspiring.

Trust me when I say that I'm not anywhere near rich and the situation was 10 times worst when I was younger.

Anywho, I think arguing for women who act as head of the households is quite appropriate. How many single mothers do you know that are rich, or can afford to stay at home with their kids? There isn't really an alternative. In fact, because women generally bring in less income then men, they need all the benefits they can get their hands on... etc.

I will rent 8 Mile.

[sikdragon]

ur right but if men would be men and not leave them in that situation that would not be such a big problem, thus the basis of my ramblings. and if ur gonna quote me dont do it out of context because that looks like u only use things that benefit your views not the truth. not saying that ur not truthful just a FYI.

[Spirited Away]

and if ur gonna quote me dont do it out of context because that looks like u only use things that benefit your views not the truth. not saying that ur not truthful just a FYI.

Oh, okay, I'll quit. But I thought that the assumption was out of context... and isn't debating about who's view seem more valid?

I didn't know there were truths in politics.

[highly_evolved]

i saw 8 mile. i think it is a very good view on our world today. there is a 10 minute sex scene were it dsnt seem at all like he is using protection (watch it and u will know wat i mean). the basic story is about a young poor kid who wants to use his lyrical talent to succeded in the harsh world he lives in. o ya and hes white.

the sex scene - shows how america at the moment is jumping into situations but does not have all the facts to support its decision

the basic story - this is how the all the republicans are trying to survive in this cruel harsh world. and the white kid? wel.. that can be kerry!

brilliant interepritatoin dont you think.

[sadolakced acid]

conservative to run for president. but i think that whole statement was brought upon by not liberal but satanist propaganda.

what's wrong with satanist propaganda?


here's a look at our country that's not through a movie.

the KKK wanted to put propoganda at a local college. a local black college. the college stopped them. the klan sued.

now there are racist flyers all over a black college.

do you want to know why america is messed up?

because we are a democracy. and we are fundamentally flawed.

democracy is the hope that stupid people in large groups won't make mistakes.
yes i just called myself and all americans stupid.

the collective stupiditiy in this country is the highest in the world. it is more powerful than an atom bomb.

for example- here is a simple question, that you should know the answer to without looking it up.

how many sections are there in the consitution and what do they govern?

[sikdragon]

the constitution was written as guidelines for our government. and that has nothing to do with what i wrote. try reading it before you start talking about my saying satinist propaganda. Satanist propaganda is the complete opposite of the truth. It is words twisted and bended to make beelzebub look good. and apparently you have fallen under it's spell like a mind slave with no will of your own.

[highly_evolved]

^ lol ur smart i like how u think

[sikdragon]

thank-you, while i disagree about what you say, i would call you my brother.

[highly_evolved]

and same to you, someone who respects someone eles oppinion. i respect that

[sikdragon]

i wouldnt mind if u changed urs, bush needs all the votes he can get. j/k

[highly_evolved]

haha well i dont think he needs a majority of the votes. well not accordoing to the 2000 elections

[sikdragon]

oh dont you even try it, gore tried to rig the elections and still lost. that was the same year the liberals running for governor used dead people to vote for them.

[highly_evolved]

hah! i saw a movie were that happened! cant remember the title though. but the conservatives used dead ppl to vote. but that list of ppl who had been convicted of a felon 95% were innocent, and 53% were african american. interesting...

[sikdragon]

must have been a c movie, but it happened in tommy boy and the liberal governors thought no one would remember.

[sporadic]

I like america, there are some damn good things about it. I just don't like the government.

That doesn't make sense, because without the government America would be nothing... But still.

[ComradeRed]

[quote]I am an American and i am proud. Now why the hell is anti-american sentiment news? we have been hated long before Iraq. We are hated because we allies with Isreal. Call me an old fashioned right winged cowboy, i dont care. but think what side would you rather be on the right or the wrong? thats what i thought. Don't you see how pussified this country has become?[/quote]

Let's see:
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East known to have nuclear weapons against International Law (the same law, by the way, that we invoked to invade Iraq)
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East that has openly advocated deportations
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East that uses concentration camps (except for Iraq, but we got rid of them now)
- In the Six Day War, Israel attacked an American Cruiser ... after invading Egypt and Syria pre-emptively.
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East to have launched a pre-emptive airstrike against another country without declaring war.

It seems to me that if you want to side with teh right side, you should side with teh Arabs ... Of course, it isn't our fight, so we shouldn't side with anyone.

[quote]faggots are fighting for their right to marry, what kind of **** is that? there was a time when these people were taken in the back and shot, its not a disease it is a choice. and since when do we care what other countries thought of what we do? the leaders of those countries are all using the same concept, make money.[/quote]

When were gay people shot? Burning at the stake was much more common. In fact, the term faggot comes from a slang for the wood used to burn itself.

[quote]Now i can see why poor people support liberalism/communism, yeah it'll cut out the middle class and make everyone around them poor, wait thats not a good thing.[/quote]

Incorrect. According to Exit Polls, the most liberal section of the population is the richest 5% -- the rich benefit most from liberalism and socialism, precisely because it destroys the middle class and lets them stay rich forever.

[quote]In this country the way it is there is room for advancement.  Everyone one of you are being turned into robots, controlled by the tv. The tv is controlled by the liberal media which will spare nothing to keep you on it's side. You never hear about the good things that happen because of Bush because you have a news source that hates him with a passion, why because he has conservative values.[/quote]

The media is VERY Bush-friendly. It is liberal, definitely, but the media was far more critical of Reagan, Bush Sr, and Clinton, than Bush Jr. Why? Because Bush doesn't act like a conservative. He has raised social spending more than any other president in history. He has also acted along a foreign policy more akin to Johnsonian expansionism than Eisenhower's conservative realism. For more information: www.amconmag.org.

[quote]What are those? u might ask, well those are those tiny things your parents vaguely remember before they began to stop listening to their parents. and we wonder why there is so much violence and murder and drunk driving in this country.[/quote]

Violence and murder have two main causes: Illegitimate Birth and the War on Drugs. Illegitimate Birth can be solved by getting women to stop marrying the government -- i.e. abolishing welfare. The War on Drugs can be solved by ending it. Drugs were legal until the late 1960s. After we abolished most drugs in the late 60s, the murder rate has tripled, and drug usage has increased.

When we abolished alcohol in 1919, the alcohol abuse rate went UP and the murder rate almost tripled. After we legalized it in 1933, the murder rate went down by 60% and the alcohol abuse rate declined by 10%.

[quote]It's because the men aren't being men anymore. Running from their problems instead of fighting. Now kids are learning that if they join gangs they become men. WHAT KIND OF **** IS THAT? some guy picks on you, doesnt matter if he is smaller than you, you gotta have him jumped instead of being a man and getting your ass kicked. Taking it on the chin hurts too much, i gotta get my gun.[/quote]

Joining gangs is a direct cause of the War on Drugs -- something conservatives have been pushing (and also Clinton, who spent over four times more money on the War on Drugs than Reagan and Bush Sr combined). Were there drug gangs in the 50s? No. They only appeared after we abolished drugs, preventing legitimate businessmen from selling them and turning it into a criminal enterprise. We don't see gangs bootlicking alochol and cigarettes, do we?

[quote]Feminism was one of the worst things that has happened to this country. Now im not saying women shouldnt have rights, im saying that by killing the home maker and giving her a choice you leave the child to be raised by the television or some day care center. that doesnt sound bad does it? well what happens when your child doesnt listen to you anymore, the child feels neglected, the child resorts to drugs to kill their problems, or drinks to drown their problems instead of facing them.[/quote]

Also not true. Having two working parents actually results in the children being raised better -- because the children are taught responsibiltiy when they see their parents go work (sometimes drudgingly).

[quote]Clinton was the third worst president we have ever had, wait he did great with the economy? Hell no, he jacked up the taxes and used multi-billion dollar bombs on some walmart tents. That is some strategy isnt it? He sold military secrets to the chinese and now they have rockets? WOW, i am soo surprised. [/quote]

Um... the Chinese have had rockets since the 50s ... they had access to most of the Soviets' technology. Clinton is not the third worst president we've had -- he's definitely down there, but I can think of three presidents off the top of my head who were worse than him: LBJ, FDR, and Harding.

[quote]Ok JFK was elected by the teamsters and assassinated when his brother started using government power to slaughter many important families. But before he died he decided to do some serious damage. This democrat got us into the vietnam war. Then his dumb ass VP kept us there slaughtering our troops. Bush is the warmonger? i dont think so. Instead of going in there full force he chose not to shock and awe. He sent inexpierienced troops into asia, and the most commonly known fact before you idiots starting drinking your polluted water, was never get in a land war in asia.[/quote]

We are in a land war in Asia right now...

[quote]Then when Nixon got in there and made him look like a fool, by asking congress to let him bomb the hell outta that country, they said no so he did the logical thing. Pull out our troops. This was only because we werent making enough body bags for the bodies.

Right now we're winning, Saddam has been captured, Iraqi gangs are killing off the old regime. It is not the same thing, there is no comparison between the iraq war and the vietnam war.[/quote]

OF course there isn't. A much better comparison for the Iraq War would be our "Splendid Little War" with Spain in 1898. We crushed the Spanish, with very few American casualties, and we acquired Cuba and the Philippines. Later, we fought a very bloody gurellia war over the Philippines, resulting in 8,000 American deaths and over 600,000 Filipino.

Carl Rove, Bush's campaign advsior, actually said that Bush's term would be modeled after McKinley's -- who got us into the Spanish-American War.

[quote]men being men would be a good example, waiting until marriage until having children. if so many dad's didnt leave then there wouldnt be so much crap going on.[/quote]

Welfare - The government pays women to have children out-of-wedlock. This obviously encourages irresponsible birth, since they know they won't get in trouble. Except for the War on Drugs, welfare is the single worst thing to happen to the poor of America.

[sikdragon]

ur right welfare should be cut, it has been cut dramtically in wisonconsin by the governor who now is one of bush's top advisors.
[quote]
Um... the Chinese have had rockets since the 50s ... they had access to most of the Soviets' technology. Clinton is not the third worst president we've had -- he's definitely down there, but I can think of three presidents off the top of my head who were worse than him: LBJ, FDR, and Harding.[/quote]
i meant intercontinental ballistic missile technology

[quote]Welfare - The government pays women to have children out-of-wedlock. This obviously encourages irresponsible birth, since they know they won't get in trouble. Except for the War on Drugs, welfare is the single worst thing to happen to the poor of America. [/quote]
welfare is another reason, but they wouldnt need it if the father's would stay and be fathers.

[quote]OF course there isn't. A much better comparison for the Iraq War would be our "Splendid Little War" with Spain in 1898. We crushed the Spanish, with very few American casualties, and we acquired Cuba and the Philippines. Later, we fought a very bloody gurellia war over the Philippines, resulting in 8,000 American deaths and over 600,000 Filipino.

Carl Rove, Bush's campaign advsior, actually said that Bush's term would be modeled after McKinley's -- who got us into the Spanish-American War.[/quote]

what was wrong with the spanish-american war?

[quote]Let's see:
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East known to have nuclear weapons against International Law (the same law, by the way, that we invoked to invade Iraq)
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East that has openly advocated deportations
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East that uses concentration camps (except for Iraq, but we got rid of them now)
- In the Six Day War, Israel attacked an American Cruiser ... after invading Egypt and Syria pre-emptively.
- Israel is the only government in the Mid East to have launched a pre-emptive airstrike against another country without declaring war.

It seems to me that if you want to side with teh right side, you should side with teh Arabs ... Of course, it isn't our fight, so we shouldn't side with anyone.[/quote]
Israel is a country comprised of the single most persecuted group in history.
Israel is a jewish country.
Jews are God's chosen people..
It is our fight, because when we no longer support Israel it will mark a new day when the world as whole is fully against israel. There will be an attack from every country in great proportions at israel, Israel will win.
Israel is the strongest country in the world.

It would be wise to be on their side.

[quote]We are in a land war in Asia right now...[/quote]
yeah and we used aerial attacks slaughtering their leader and his sons. America doesnt have a pussy in office like we did during vietnam so that saying doesnt apply to him. not to mention in vietnam we were in know real immediate threat. in Iraq there was a threat.

[quote]Also not true. Having two working parents actually results in the children being raised better -- because the children are taught responsibiltiy when they see their parents go work (sometimes drudgingly).[/quote]
no they dont they learn distrust rebellion and hatred. in the fifties there were almost no teen suicides or teen violence like there is now. Not to mention there are other more effective ways to teach responsibility.


[quote]Joining gangs is a direct cause of the War on Drugs -- something conservatives have been pushing (and also Clinton, who spent over four times more money on the War on Drugs than Reagan and Bush Sr combined). Were there drug gangs in the 50s? No. They only appeared after we abolished drugs, preventing legitimate businessmen from selling them and turning it into a criminal enterprise. We don't see gangs bootlicking alochol and cigarettes, do we?[/quote]
yes we do. and yes drugs should be legal, but im saying that street gangs are what the kids join to prove their man hood. they get jumped in and now they get picked on by some guy and ends up having his friends beat the hell outta him, whatever happened to a fair fight?

[quote]Violence and murder have two main causes: Illegitimate Birth and the War on Drugs. Illegitimate Birth can be solved by getting women to stop marrying the government -- i.e. abolishing welfare. The War on Drugs can be solved by ending it. Drugs were legal until the late 1960s. After we abolished most drugs in the late 60s, the murder rate has tripled, and drug usage has increased.

When we abolished alcohol in 1919, the alcohol abuse rate went UP and the murder rate almost tripled. After we legalized it in 1933, the murder rate went down by 60% and the alcohol abuse rate declined by 10%.[/quote]

that has nothing to do with the quote.

[quote]The media is VERY Bush-friendly. It is liberal, definitely, but the media was far more critical of Reagan, Bush Sr, and Clinton, than Bush Jr. Why? Because Bush doesn't act like a conservative. He has raised social spending more than any other president in history. He has also acted along a foreign policy more akin to Johnsonian expansionism than Eisenhower's conservative realism. For more information: www.amconmag.org. [/quote]
buddy that isnt a website. and the media is no where near bush friendly. there are so many celebrities right now getting the spotlight to share their negative opinions of bush. u never hear oh bush did a great job. there are cd's coming out called rock against bush, the funny thing is they arent rock bands. the majority of black people are poor, they support liberalism because they dont know any better, and when one of them gets famous by rapping or whatever then they speak about how they hate bush. major newspapers like the newyork times rarely ever show good things that bush has done. on tv you hear about how badly bush has done with the economy.

[quote]Incorrect. According to Exit Polls, the most liberal section of the population is the richest 5% -- the rich benefit most from liberalism and socialism, precisely because it destroys the middle class and lets them stay rich forever.[/quote]
the most liberal is the riches 5 %, what about the richest 5%'supporters who dont believe that is what will happen? why do u think communism is so marketable to poor people? and it is very marketable to poor people.

[quote]When were gay people shot? Burning at the stake was much more common. In fact, the term faggot comes from a slang for the wood used to burn itself.[/quote]
it wasnt literal, i meant it wasnt only not acceptable, it was abhorred.