RIAA lawsuits, Unfair, unjust, and communist. Options

[tofumonzter]

perhaps it was a weak argument, and i am fully aware that record companies take a large amount of the profit, but half the music these days is completely synthetic and so the "artists" hardly have to put forth much effort. take britney spears for example. all her new music is completely synthetic and computerized and she barely even sounds human. compare that to her older albums, and as produced as they may be, you can tell the difference between what has been processed and what she actually sang. the people who work behinds the scene are the ones who really deserve the credit, because what are singers these days beside pretty faces anyway? and ashlee simpson. have you heard her live?? ahhh!!! but so if these artist who supposedly worked so hard to put their sweat and blood into their albums can no longer profit, then they can find another way to make a living just like everyone else. the smaller, unsigned bands should be well aware that they cannot count fully on their undiscovered music to support them, and downloading my actually be a good way for them to get their music out there and noticed. the useless britney and ashlee simpson types deserve nothing more than what profit they recieve, and i would not pay anything more than the $1.99 a month my win-mx costs me to hear their over produced singing. bands with talent who deserve for people to buy their albums are less commonly found on music sharing programs and so i end up buying their cds anyway. also, half the music listening i do is while im on the computer anyway, so its far easier to have all my music in one place than to look for discs. and as good a potential idea paying for download songs is, its not practical because what if you discover the song isnt what you thought it was? or your parents wont let you pay for stuff on the internet, like mine? downloading full albums may not be right, but if you only want a few songs then its the only way to go that makes sense

althought they might sing bad, but you don't really have to buy them to listen, otherword, you don't have to listen since they sing bad. well, they sing bad, but that doesn't mean that you'll have to download the songs.

it's like making skins. if the skin is bad, you still can't jock, because they are not yours.





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[ComradeRed]

The RIAA is only suing people who SHARED files, because IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DOWNLOAD FILES.

The reason it is illegal to share is because you commit a breach of contract. When you download a file, you never agree to the contract when you buy music that says you will not pirate in the first place. Therefore, they CANNOT sue you just for downloading.

So just turn "share files" off on your Kazaa, and you will be fine ^_^.

[queen]

The RIAA is only suing people who SHARED files, because IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DOWNLOAD FILES.

The reason it is illegal to share is because you commit a breach of contract. When you download a file, you never agree to the contract when you buy music that says you will not pirate in the first place. Therefore, they CANNOT sue you just for downloading.

So just turn "share files" off on your Kazaa, and you will be fine ^_^.

erm, it's illegal to dl music FOR FREE, the same way it's illegal to download photoshop FOR FREE. there were a couple of people that were sued for "downloading". duh duh duh duh duh.

[ComradeRed]

No, it's technically not illegal to download... you never agreed to an EULA that said you agree not to upload.

The term downloading was used in place of uploading, which is really waht the people were charged with... Look at the actual court records.

[ryfitaDF]

Singers don't become singers to get their music stolen.

all the respectible ones give it out for free. pigs like metallica are in it for money.

[queen]

No, it's technically not illegal to download... you never agreed to an EULA that said you agree not to upload.

technically not illegal? do you live in canada or finland? downloading copyrighted music in AMERICA is illegal. you do realize that when you DOWNLOAD an mp3, you're essentially making a COPY of it aka REPRODUCTION. it's illegal to DUPLICATE/REPRODUCE and DISTRIBUTE copyrighted music.

http://www.musicunited.org/2_thelaw.html

all the respectible ones give it out for free. pigs like metallica are in it for money.

i can understand envisioning a carefree sharing world, but america's a capitalist nation. people come here to fulfill their dreams, that, believe or not, are money-based. if you want to live in a world where no one makes the profits they're entitled to, move to a communist/socialist country.

[ComradeRed]

technically not illegal? do you live in canada or finland? downloading copyrighted music in AMERICA is illegal. you do realize that when you DOWNLOAD an mp3, you're essentially making a COPY of it aka REPRODUCTION. it's illegal to DUPLICATE/REPRODUCE and DISTRIBUTE copyrighted music.

Yes... it is illegal to DUPLICATE or DISTRIBUTE it... but when someone else duplicates it FOR YOU, and you just download it, THEY are the ones doing illegal activity -- not you.

[queen]

Yes... it is illegal to DUPLICATE or DISTRIBUTE it... but when someone else duplicates it FOR YOU, and you just download it, THEY are the ones doing illegal activity -- not you.

by downloading you're already duplicating ;o

if it wasn't illegal, why are there sites to PAY for copyright music?

[ComradeRed]

You aren't duplicating... Someone else is duplicatying to give to you.

[tofumonzter]

You aren't duplicating... Someone else is duplicatying to give to you.

no. there's only one music on that guy computer and you by downloading the duplicate make another duplicate, and listen to the duplicate you made with the original duplicate. get it?

[sikdragon]

all the respectible ones give it out for free. pigs like metallica are in it for money.

That is soo wrong... Metallica only sued cuz the album that was stolen wasnt even out yet, they didnt even have all the songs down.

no. there's only one music on that guy computer and you by downloading the duplicate make another duplicate, and listen to the duplicate you made with the original duplicate. get it? 

Whistle all you want. Kazaa takes that one copy on the sharers computer and copies it, when you click download it sends you the copy. Then they copy another one after that so on and so forth. besides kazaa is run by ads so they arent doing anything worse than those who charge for music. Thus lawsuits are aimed at those who put the files shared on. It's all a matter of fear put in the hearts of the young to further increment youth enslavement.

Downloaded music isnt stolen, one party sold it to another and then let another party borrow it. The artists aren't losing money, if someone isnt willing to buy it in the first place then the artist wouldn't gain anything but a deaf ear. With free music on the internet people are listening to more than their single and are enjoying the music to the point of being moved to buy their next album. RIAA is criminal, but yet we do live in a capitalist country and they have found a new way to make money. Although i do not agree with their motives nor their actions, i must applaud them. they have made court cases that have no bearing on race or gender cards being played on good employers.

[queen]

Whistle all you want. Kazaa takes that one copy on the sharers computer and copies it, when you click download it sends you the copy. Then they copy another one after that so on and so forth. besides kazaa is run by ads so they arent doing anything worse than those who charge for music. Thus lawsuits are aimed at those who put the files shared on. It's all a matter of fear put in the hearts of the young to further increment youth enslavement.

Downloaded music isnt stolen, one party sold it to another and then let another party borrow it.

we're not just talking about kazaa here ;o. when someone puts a link to an mp3 on their site, and another someone right clicks and saves as, that person just duplicated the file. yes, the person who linked the mp3 is at fault, but so is the person who saved the file. how are you not understanding that? you take the file, yet you claim no responsibility for your actions? lol gj.

[*kryogenix*]

That is soo wrong... Metallica only sued cuz the album that was stolen wasnt even out yet, they didnt even have all the songs down.




Whistle all you want. Kazaa takes that one copy on the sharers computer and copies it, when you click download it sends you the copy. Then they copy another one after that so on and so forth. besides kazaa is run by ads so they arent doing anything worse than those who charge for music. Thus lawsuits are aimed at those who put the files shared on. It's all a matter of fear put in the hearts of the young to further increment youth enslavement.

Downloaded music isnt stolen, one party sold it to another and then let another party borrow it. The artists aren't losing money, if someone isnt willing to buy it in the first place then the artist wouldn't gain anything but a deaf ear. With free music on the internet people are listening to more than their single and are enjoying the music to the point of being moved to buy their next album. RIAA is criminal, but yet we do live in a capitalist country and they have found a new way to make money. Although i do not agree with their motives nor their actions, i must applaud them. they have made court cases that have no bearing on race or gender cards being played on good employers.

No, according to the DMCA, if you download an unauthorized copy off of a file sharing network, you've broken the law.

DMCA Violations

You could violate federal copyright law if:

    * Somebody e-mails copyrighted material to you and, in turn, you forward it to one or more friends.
    * You make an MP3 copy of a song from a CD that you bought (purchasers are expressly permitted to do so) but subsequently make the MP3 file(s) available on the Internet using a file-sharing network.
    * You join a file-sharing network and download unauthorized copies of copyrighted material you want from the computers of other network members.
    * To gain access to copyrighted material on the computers of other network members, you pay a fee to join a file-sharing network that is not authorized to distribute or make copies of the copyrighted material. You then download unauthorized material.
    * You transfer copyrighted material using an instant messaging service.
    * You have a computer with a CD burner that you use to burn copies of music you have downloaded onto writable CDs which you then distribute to your friends.

Source: http://iatservices.missouri.edu/dmca/

So it is against the law.

[ryfitaDF]

That is soo wrong... Metallica only sued cuz the album that was stolen wasnt even out yet, they didnt even have all the songs down.

their are bands who put their music up for download weeks before they come out. i've been listening to songs from the new Used CD that's supposed to come out soon for months now.

[tofumonzter]

their are bands who put their music up for download weeks before they come out. i've been listening to songs from the new Used CD that's supposed to come out soon for months now.

those are exceptions. but i don't think all bands give up freesongs do they?

[sikdragon]

their are bands who put their music up for download weeks before they come out. i've been listening to songs from the new Used CD that's supposed to come out soon for months now.

Metallica hadn't even written all the songs for their new album yet. The front man doesn't care if people download their stuff, he just wants it to be complete versions.

No, according to the DMCA, if you download an unauthorized copy off of a file sharing network, you've broken the law.

Is the DMCA part of the legislature? If they wanna go to court and sue somebody so be it. When they do we will see who is right and who is wrong.

[*kryogenix*]

Is the DMCA part of the legislature? If they wanna go to court and sue somebody so be it. When they do we will see who is right and who is wrong.

Just because someone doesn't sue you doesn't mean you did nothing wrong. If you commit a crime and get away with it, you still have commited a crime.

Don't you people feel guilty at all? You are stealing, maybe almost every day, maybe now thousands of dollars worth of software, music or movies, and no one feels guilty?

wow, what ever happened to moral values?

[ryfitaDF]

Metallica hadn't even written all the songs for their new album yet. The front man doesn't care if people download their stuff, he just wants it to be complete versions.

oooh so they sue their fans because they're not stealing the right stuff?

those are exceptions. but i don't think all bands give up freesongs do they?

they should. it actually is good self promotion and practicly the same thing as the radio or MTV.

[tofumonzter]

they should. it actually is good self promotion and practicly the same thing as the radio or MTV.

hmm. i don't think i'm asking if they should, and this topic is not asking about should they or not. it's about riaa lawsuit.

not everysingle bands are free for you to download. but mostly they do have copyright and blah.

well. i don't think that MTV and radios just download the songs from the internet do they? or do they not?

[sikdragon]

Is it wrong for someone to rip you off and make you believe you want something while you have never actually got to try it out?

[queen]

Is it wrong for someone to rip you off and make you believe you want something while you have never actually got to try it out?

hi, we're in america. sadly this happens everyday in every shape or form.

[ryfitaDF]

well. i don't think that MTV and radios just download the songs from the internet do they? or do they not?

theres this thing on MTV.com called the leak where they let you listen to a band's entire CD weeks before it comes out. and many bands with forthcoming albums on roadrunner records have e-cards where you can' listen to their CD in it's entirety. i know that's how i figured i wanted to get Killswitch Engage's "the end of heartache"

[tofumonzter]

theres this thing on MTV.com called the leak where they let you listen to a band's entire CD weeks before it comes out. and many bands with forthcoming albums on roadrunner records have e-cards where you can' listen to their CD in it's entirety. i know that's how i figured i wanted to get Killswitch Engage's "the end of heartache"

but then again. i wonder if they really let you "download" it or just listen to it "online"

[sikdragon]

hi, we're in america. sadly this happens everyday in every shape or form.

and we have found a way to test drive the cd's before we buy them... file sharing is not wrong.

[*kryogenix*]

and we have found a way to test drive the cd's before we buy them... file sharing is not wrong.

is it alright to test drive a car when the dealer says you can't?

you can borrow a friend's car and test drive that, but you can't hijack someone else's car and drive that around.