Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[sikdragon]

Has anyone tried to discredit their articles? 

I am completely lost. is that a new question or an arguement?

Its an old saying. ok not old, it was on that heath ledger movie.

[Spirited Away]

I am completely lost. is that a new question or an arguement?

No...

I assumed that you are questioning the accuracy of the contents published in the magazine by the tone of your comment.

I'm quite aware of the the saying.

[oOyunieOo]

If we evolved from the same ancestor as the apes, then why are there no species similar to humans? Im not talking anatomically I am talking of behavior. Humans are the only animals to use laws other than surival. Art and technological advances are only being made by one species, Humans.

Human civilization can only begin after a food source had been established.
The four elements of civilization are:
technology
division of labor
political organization
commerce and trade

Other animals after having a food source established continue to live the same way. Bees are living the way they have lived since their creation. They clearly have a steady food source. Bees are just one of thousands upon thousands of examples.

When looking the Bible, the attempt to artificially split truth into "religious" and "scientific" often does so in violation of the basic laws of logic, where "A" cannot be non-"A". Jesus either rose bodily from the dead, or He did not. Bloodshed was either in the world before Adam, or it was not. Christ does not enter the stage of human history in a ghostly, existential vacuum, but in a carefully laid out framework of history, part of a long line of descent from Adam. For Christianity to be credible, the Bible must be true where it does touch on what Schaeffer calls matters pertaining to "history and the cosmos". Jesus said that if His hearers did not believe when He told them of earthly things, how could they believe when He told them of heavenly things?


I believe in creation. I do not believe in theistic evolution, the belief that God started the evolutionary process. In Genesis it describes a completed creation not the beginning of a gradual development. In Genesis, God told Moses to write of human days(consisting of morning and evening), not thousands of years.

I've never seen anyone put it better. Way to go silk dragon!

Anyway, about bones being found and what not, can anyone explain the fossils that span several geological time scale layers; you know, the ones that extend their prescribed "periods"? Doesn't that defy the Geological Time Scale?

[mzteriouzme007]

creattionc

[sikdragon]

you can call me silkdragon if you must, but it sounds rather effeminate don't you agree?


No, i was not questioning the accuracy of the articles, nor am i claiming them to be with pure factuality. I was just saying they aren't as popular among the citizens of our country is all.

[Spirited Away]

Anyway, about bones being found and what not, can anyone explain the fossils that span several geological time scale layers; you know, the ones that extend their prescribed "periods"? Doesn't that defy the Geological Time Scale?

Because science doesn't love me, can you explain this a bit? Or provide an internet article that will further explain what you're saying?

No, i was not questioning the accuracy of the articles, nor am i claiming them to be with pure factuality. I was just saying they aren't as popular among the citizens of our country is all.

You mean their number of subscribers?

[sikdragon]

yeah there arent very many of them as compared to people or time.

[PinkTrash]

Not nessicarily.. Yeah, Id go with Evolution too, if thats what God believes in.

[F1R3B4T]

i believe it was evolution. i mean creation????!!?!?!?
[no offense intended]
IMO:: christianity is just a BELIEF.
it was made up by a person.
theres no proof of god or heaven n such.
i mean it doesn't NEED proof. why? because its a proof. a religion. thats good enough for the ppl in this world isn't it?

i mean seriously. things in the bible contradicts itself.
come on....

[sikdragon]

The bible never contradicts itself. Corruption is in the churches not the doctrine.

There is proof all around you go out side and look, you dont see the proof because you dont want to. you are keeping yourself from accepting the inevitable. You can play this charade till your death but deep down you know there is a God and he loves you.

christianity is not just a belief it is a way of life.

[laylooo]

evolution, i wasn't brought up believing in god or anything

[racegirl24A]

Im really against the idea of evolution..I dont really care if this sounds corny but I was brought up to believe in God, and that he put Adam and Eve on Earth etc etc.

[espionage]

Both, to me. My belief: God created animals with the ability to adapt, but limited to their own kind...

[oOyunieOo]

IMO:: christianity is just a BELIEF.
it was made up by a person.
theres no proof of god or heaven n such.
i mean it doesn't NEED proof. why? because its a proof. a religion. thats good enough for the ppl in this world isn't it?

i mean seriously. things in the bible contradicts itself.
come on....

Does evolution have "proof"? After all it is "the theory of evolution." This debate subject it almost a debate of beliefs, not fact vs. belief. We use the evidence we know to see what it prooves and where it leads us (both in creation and evolution). Also, what in the Bible contradicts itself? If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing in the Bible that contradicts itself, which is what makes historians so amazed. Almost every other religious book does.

Because science doesn't love me, can you explain this a bit? Or provide an internet article that will further explain what you're saying?

Okay, don't quote me on this, but I think they are called "platonic fossils". Ok I've made a picture in paint.... be nice... I'm not exactly "skilled" in creating graphics on the computer:

The Geological Time Scale with a Fossil



You see, how could a fossil be fossilized like that if it took millions (or thousands) of years to form each layer? Or look at it this way: how could a skeleton keep from deteriorating (or decomposing) when exposed to the outside air and bacteria?Did that help any?

[Spirited Away]

Does evolution have "proof"? After all it is "the theory of evolution." This debate subject it almost a debate of beliefs, not fact vs. belief. We use the evidence we know to see what it prooves and where it leads us (both in creation and evolution). Also, what in the Bible contradicts itself? If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing in the Bible that contradicts itself, which is what makes historians so amazed. Almost every other religious book does.

Do you really want to get into a debate about which side has more evidence to present itself? Actually, there are people who believe in facts rather than something they perceive. Of course this sounds more closed minded that it really is so I'll explain:

I believe that 1+1=2 because it's a fact. However, I don't believe in Christians' belief that Jesus is the Son of God because there isn't any truly valid proof of that claim. Even if there existed a "Jesus" who died on a cross, who's to say that He was truthful about God being His Father? Of course, you'd say that the Bible is proof, but I don't believe in the Bible.

Anyway how, moving on.

Okay, don't quote me on this, but I think they are called "platonic fossils".  Ok I've made a picture in paint.... be nice... I'm not exactly "skilled" in creating graphics on the computer:

The Geological Time Scale with a Fossil



You see, how could a fossil be fossilized like that if it took millions (or thousands) of years to form each layer?  Or look at it this way:  how could a skeleton keep from deteriorating (or decomposing) when exposed to the outside air and bacteria?Did that help any?

I'm afraid you just made it a bit more confusing. What are you trying to say about the fossils?

[heyyfrankie]

i believe in createion...but i just don't understand some things!

[sikdragon]

There are more records other than the Bible. Buddhist say he was a good man or a prophet of some sort, muslims say the same thing. Jewish records written 100 to 400 years after his death say he did exist and had supernatural powers but because they didn't want to believe they had the Christ crucified they concluded his power came from beelzebub. Even people who hated him say he exists. This is the same type of proof we have that the holocaust happened and we were at war with vietnam.

[Spirited Away]

There are more records other than the Bible. Buddhist say he was a good man or a prophet of some sort, muslims say the same thing. Jewish records written 100 to 400 years after his death say he did exist and had supernatural powers but because they didn't want to believe they had the Christ crucified they concluded his power came from beelzebub. Even people who hated him say he exists. This is the same type of proof we have that the holocaust happened and we were at war with vietnam.

Wahhhh???? Since Siddhartha Gautama came before Christ, are you saying that Siddhartha is Christ?

I'm confused!!

[sikdragon]

no im not i never said anything about siddhartha guatama. where do you come up with this stuff? im saying there are other records of his existence outside of the Bible.

[Spirited Away]

no im not i never said anything about siddhartha guatama. where do you come up with this stuff? im saying there are other records of his existence outside of the Bible.

Ah, I understand now that you clarified that up.

So at least the other sources are humble and have the grace to say that He was a great man, but what does this has to do with God? You can prove that Jesus exists, but you can't prove His powers, unfortunately.

Ghandi was a great man, and so was MLK and people of all relgion do not say otherwise.

[sikdragon]

Jesus is older than them and has stood the test of time without any power from his government. He was a humble carpenter who just happened to be God incarnate.<Carpenters aren't remembered for thousands of years.

[__hopefullie__]

evolution i guess. im not religious or anything so yea. but my biology teacher makes a really good point on evolution over creation

[Spirited Away]

Jesus is older than them and has stood the test of time without any power from his government. He was a humble carpenter who just happened to be God incarnate.<Carpenters aren't remembered for thousands of years.

Siddhartha Gautama came before Christ and many people perceive him to be a great man, too. He was an enlightened prince. Princes don't usually give up all their valuables.

[espionage]

Ooo, an enlightened prince. Was he a god?

My point spoken. Yell/talk at me.

[Spirited Away]

Ooo, an enlightened prince. Was he a god?

My point spoken. Yell/talk at me.

HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA.

A point, yes, but quite moot. He held virtue and intelligence... he doesn't contradict himself and doesn't care whether or not people worship him. That's good enough for me.

Bow down to your God and humble before Him if you'd like... I'll do what I want, He gave me free will.