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post Sep 7 2004, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 7 2004, 11:02 PM)
Exactly, because I think there are different ways a person can judge other people of their worth. Accomplishments are a plus of course, but people tend to agree and disagree on what is a good and bad, and I think there are those in this world who would say that what Clinton has done in office aren't really major accomplishments. We weight these things differently, which is a good thing.







I wonder though. When doctors test a new medical proceedure on someone, don't they need his/her consent? I thought that these things are usually done on volunteers....

well the thing is, they aren't testing the new procedures, it's already been tested. it's just new, so the results are kind of fickle. But i dont exactly understand your view now?
 
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post Sep 7 2004, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ Sep 7 2004, 11:08 PM)
well the thing is, they aren't testing the new procedures, it's already been tested. it's just new, so the results are kind of fickle. But i dont exactly understand your view now?

I don't understand me neither... I'm just babbling.

Um, just my original comment made sense to me, so go with that.

As for results being iffy... Do patients not have a word as to whether or not doctors will use what kind of treatment on them? The last time I went to the Doctor to test for allergies, my doctor told me the options for testing for allergies and let me choose which one I wanted to do. He didn't say "here are the options, but you must do this one"... So I don't understand what the problem is with Doctors not using the new procedures on him because he has a choice, doesn't he.


Maybe I just need to read more into the whole thing. wacko.gif
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 12:18 AM
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ok...i see what ur saying

QUOTE(uninspiredfae)
And you're right about bodyguards and retirement plan... but that was my point in the first place ermm.gif. Because of his job, he is an important person to society. Come on, would you say that an asembly line worker is more important the the President if their lives are at stake (logically speaking. Oh, don't involve ethics, because then I would have to agree with you)?

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post Sep 8 2004, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(atpx @ Sep 6 2004, 3:30 AM)
If I was going to operate on him, I think I'd use more care than opearting an average guy.

No doubt, screwing up on the average patient will be career suicide, and all your money goes poof, plus someone's death on your head.

Screwing up on someone as famous as a president, its career suicide, no money, a death on your head, plus the entire world will know you as the so called surgeon who killed a president.

Lincoln - Oswald
JFK - Harvey
Clinton - _____

is what the textbooks would say.


and no argument here, doctors should value life as equal for everyone!

John Wilkes Booth (Boothe?) killed Lincoln, not Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

Sadly, the reality is that presidents and other famous people are going to be getting better care than us. It's not ever day that you get the opportunity to do surgery on a former president...it might even boost your career because, inevitably, your name will better known than before. It seems unfair, but it's reality. As for testing something on a president...I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to. With all the malpractice law suits going on, I would be a little afraid to try something for the first time on any patient, let alone Bill Clinton.

Edit: I just read that you said they weren't testing something on Clinton for the first time but it was/is still new...I still wouldn't want to try it out on a former president unless it's completely necessary.
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ Sep 7 2004, 1:09 PM)
excuse me? What about flight attendants?

What I'm referring to is the attitude provided by F/As in some airlines.
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 10:01 AM
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that's not fair...that's pretty cool...
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 03:14 PM
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yes, to the majority, they are more important than us. i die during surgury, no one gives a sh!t, kill a president, youre in for it.
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 05:17 PM
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Everyone loves the question "what makes Bill more important than the rest of us?"...

Has anyone tried to turn the question around and ask "what makes ME more important than Bill Clinton?"
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 8 2004, 5:17 PM)
Everyone loves the question "what makes Bill more important than the rest of us?"...

Has anyone tried to turn the question around and ask "what makes ME more important than Bill Clinton?"

no one's asked me that question before, so i've never had the opportunity to turn it around

QUOTE(atpx)
Lincoln - Oswald
JFK - Harvey
Clinton - _____

is what the textbooks would say.


and no argument here, doctors should value life as equal for everyone! 


textbooks would say that (minus the assassins because they're wrong), but eventually you'd forget about it (like everyone's forgotten that other President who died because of a bad surgery....i don't even remember his name...either Arthur or Garfield)
 
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i think that's what they're trying to say
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 09:52 PM
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well president's aren't worth more than us..they're just saying hes important. i mean would you want one of your favorite celebrities to die? its sorta like that.
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 09:54 PM
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In a sense, yes. The president is a more important person than you and I, with far more at stake responsibility wise.

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QUOTE(jo3 @ Sep 8 2004, 8:18 PM)
no one's asked me that question before, so i've never had the opportunity to turn it around

Miss Racegirl (sorry, I really don't mean to call you out), asked what makes Clinton more important than us on page 1, and I had to answer.... Eh, I do realize that everyone has potentials and contribute to society in different ways, but the MAIN difference between us "little people" and those famous people is that they have the money to do whatever they want to do, while our financial limitations can only take us so far.
 
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post Sep 8 2004, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 8 2004, 5:17 PM)
Everyone loves the question "what makes Bill more important than the rest of us?"...

Has anyone tried to turn the question around and ask "what makes ME more important than Bill Clinton?"

I've never done that, we're all equal
 
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post Sep 9 2004, 05:59 AM
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My mum said that it's good a famous person goes to Columbia once in a while... the people make sure to clean up as nice as possible for all those reporters and such.

-_- sorry I did not post anything substantial relating to the topic


oh she's a nurse there
 
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post Sep 9 2004, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(nas @ Sep 9 2004, 5:59 AM)
My mum said that it's good a famous person goes to Columbia once in a while... the people make sure to clean up as nice as possible for all those reporters and such.

-_- sorry I did not post anything substantial relating to the topic


oh she's a nurse there

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post Sep 9 2004, 11:31 PM
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Mistar Clinton was admitted into Columbia Presbyterian. Where my mother dear works. Radom quip, like I said, nothing substantial. hah. hah.
 
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post Sep 9 2004, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(nas @ Sep 9 2004, 11:31 PM)
Mistar Clinton was admitted into Columbia Presbyterian. Where my mother dear works. Radom quip, like I said, nothing substantial. hah. hah.

yeah can you like, stop posting things you view as "not substantial"? because you know, you're right.
 
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post Sep 12 2004, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(angel_roh @ Sep 6 2004, 5:34 AM)
hmm.. so ur saying that the doctors care less about the president's health? ohmy.gif

hah
i agree wit her
 
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post Oct 12 2004, 11:40 AM
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ur god damn right lady

this doctor is a coward... anyway it should be the patient's decision whether to be operated or not.
 
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post Oct 12 2004, 12:39 PM
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yea thats bad, i'v thought about that befor to like with celebrities, just because they are better known than most the get better treatment and stuff -_____________-
 
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post Oct 12 2004, 06:01 PM
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they love the presidents more than us cry.gif lol
 

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