gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[*kryogenix*]

yes, i admit the dog thing was weak. i was in a rush and that thought was on the top of my head. a better argument would have been one involving incest.

2. thx for saying that for me mate. Yes the law may and is entitled to change with the times.

not if George Bush vetos it (congress may override though). also, it's not just the law, it's the definition of marriage that would need to be changed.

3. wow that’s a brave thing to say. Are you trying to imply that homosexuality would one day spread so much that it would halt all human reproduction? First of all it would not have mattered because with the current technology you can always reproduce the human kind without a so-called-proper interaction (in case you haven’t heard about it ; secondly how is it exactly a threat? Merely because it might stop reproduction? Then what about those that are infertile? That chooses not to reproduce? Are they also threats to the human kind?

how many people can afford this technology? yes, i'm familiar with this, please read the previous posts. the reason why homosexuals couples are a threat is because there is no chance of them creating offspring together. infertile couples may get lucky and become fertile, those choosing not to reproduce can always change their minds.

4. that is absolutely irrelevant to the current discussion

i have no clue of what you are trying to say here.

5. one of the reasons human kind is special amongst all other animals is because we have free minds to choose what to do. True the masochists pursue happiness by hurting others. But hurting others isn’t legal is it? but do homosexuality hurt anyone? No. I do not wish to repeat what everyone has already said but homosexuality does NOT hurt anyone in anyway. Not that I have heard of. If u want to refer to that link u’ve posted before, here’s my arguments opposing what they’ve said.

it hurts society because they cannot bear children.

a. the marriages are short lived only because of the social pressures the couples endure. That means that if they are treated like normal couples they would NOT have divorced / part so easily. It is not because of the homosexuality itself but because of the pressure they undergo every single day.
b. As someone has already mentioned does that mean that everyone with AIDS in Africa is gay? Or that we should stop them from marrying each other? Just that there is a high rate of health hazards occurring to them does not mean that they’re 100% prone to it and should therefore be banned from marriage.
c. (fact 3 and 4 are pretty much overlapping) simply put it’s just the stress homosexuals have to endure that creates this problem, and guess what? legalizing homosexual marriages = publicly recognizing homosexuality = lessening the social strain they go through = brings down that ‘fact’. Surprised?
d. With that point they’re trying to first assume homosexuality is WRONG. Because it’s wrong raising children to homosexuality is wrong too. Very funny. As for their last ‘substantial evidence’ isn’t it obvious enough that it’s just people like them that blabs about WRONG homosexuality that embarrasses those with homosexual parents? If the children’s peers aren’t taught that homosexuality is wrong why would they jeer at them? Would you teach your child to jeer at those with Down’s syndrome? No. if children is taught that it’s simply natural variations of sexuality between human then there wouldn’t be any problem like that to exist.

you're making a lot of assumptions here, which you state as facts. and a lot of your facts are in question form. i have no clue who you are responding to in parts of this argument. homosexuality is already publicly recognized. Down's syndrome can't be helped. homosexuals can marry a heterosexual if they wanted to, as many have already done.

7. hm you do live by the law don’t you. does the law say you couldn’t love someone of your same gender? I don’t think so. At least not in my copy of it.

you can love someone of the same gender. i love my father and brother. but i don't want to marry them, and that's against the law.

[radii]

my my that was a pathetic response. i hoped for something more constructive read it over again and post something more logical and to-the-point. (that was refering to the previous website you've posted in previous posts - 5 facts that conclude that homosexuality is bad for u, ur daddy, ur moma, and ur goldfish)

[modelnz]

i dont think anything is wrong with gay marriage...is it really bothering or affecting other people...No, so why can't we leave them alone already?

[dasturbd]

More than not gay people wanting to get married have more than openly admitted that is for INSURANCE and tax purposes...so get off the "if they are in love and want to get married..." crap. The ones "in love" are merely a small percentage that want to get married.

If they want insurance then I suggest they get a job that offers it and do it on their own like the rest of us heteros...

also for those of you that think "it doesn't affect you so why care"...well think again. Most of you aren't even old enough to work yet, so just imagine the number of gay marriages going up and the govt. tax money being decreased. You know what that means don't you?? It means that the rate of taxation will increase to compensate for all the tax cuts that these marriages will allow.

Now as a hetero, it's bad enough that the sanctity of marriage is a shambles now, but to get married to simply save money or get a fat refund check at the end of the year is unacceptable!!

[6oyllej]

i'm not opposed to it : )

[tkproduce]

More than not gay people wanting to get married have more than openly admitted that is for INSURANCE and tax purposes...so get off the "if they are in love and want to get married..." crap, the ones "in love" are merely a small percentage that want to get married.

If they want insurance then I suggest they get a job that offers it and do it on their own like the rest of us heteros...

but then you could question why heterosexual couples get married. it's probably not all for love either

[dasturbd]

but then you could question why heterosexual couples get married. it's probably not all for love either

true true...
marriage itself is a joke now-n-days. It's no wonder that more people get married outside of the church, basically do to the fact that it's more convenient and they don't have to be "tested" like the church tests you. When you get married in a church there are guidelins you have to go through...much like a chain of command.

You must get blood tests...
you must get pre-marriage counseling ( most of the time with the priest himself)
you must be a previously non-married person or at least if you were married, it has to be anulled...

you get the point.

The fact that more and more people get married outside of the church (and Im speaking of those with religious histories) is because they don't want to take the time to prove in front of God the seriousness of the vows they are about to take.

With the decline in actual church marriages the divorce rate is and has been skyrocketing, and why?? Because people figure if it doesn't work out they can always get divorced...and they didn't do it "in front of God" so no harm no foul

ok sorry to drift off topic here

[kevinma03]

Whatever we decide is pointless anyways. If we somehow get a Dem into the white house then there might be a repeal of the DOMA otherwise it'll probably stay the way it is. Not because of values or bullshit like that but because the politicians need to pander to their constituencies.

There are tons of gay people out there right now, they can live together, they can have children. ANd we have NOT seen a decline in the population. Do you have any idea how many people have to turn gay in order to switch the reproduction rate into the negative? Marriage will not cause more people to gay, and gay peopel can already adopt children. I think if anything their children will be more understanding of other life choices instead of biblethumping conservatives that judge anyone and everyone. inquisition anyone?

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I'm not oppsed to it at all. People should be able to do whatever they want to do, as long as it's not hurting others. People should be able to marry whomever they want, even if it is someone of the same sex. I don't understand why people in the gov. want to ban Gay marriages. Frankly, the gay marriages shouldn't bother us, and it's not our business to go and say, OH it's not right... who are we to tell someone that?

[blueglue]

...i dont think it matters..but if they really "loved" each other then it shouldn't matter whether or not ther are Leagally married....they are just making a big deal out of nothing...they just want attention..

[*kryogenix*]

my my that was a pathetic response. i hoped for something more constructive read it over again and post something more logical and to-the-point. (that was refering to the previous website you've posted in previous posts - 5 facts that conclude that homosexuality is bad for u, ur daddy, ur moma, and ur goldfish)

ok you're cool. you wanted constructive yet you belittle my response as pathetic. nice one. it would have been nicer to quote each section. tell me where my response was weak and i'll get back to you then.

i don't see how people can support homosexual marriage. it's not marriage because marriage is between a man and woman. homosexual marriage also provides little positive growth for society, in fact it hurts society because they cannot bear children. even if they were to adopt children, homosexual parents are more likely to abuse their children.

[angel-roh]

gay ppls are disgusting... God didn't make us like that....

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[pyoon]

Whatever we say is pointless. Whether it is favoring homosexual marriages or opposing it. As I know from experience, changing someone's mind on something they strongly believe in is virtually impossible; unless, God comes down to earth, smits those people, and leaves them half dead only to recover, and they realize what they believe in is wrong. If not, people will do continue to do whatever they wish. Religion...that's all I can say.

[kevinma03]

ok you're cool. you wanted constructive yet you belittle my response as pathetic. nice one. it would have been nicer to quote each section. tell me where my response was weak and i'll get back to you then.

i don't see how people can support homosexual marriage. it's not marriage because marriage is between a man and woman. homosexual marriage also provides little positive growth for society, in fact it hurts society because they cannot bear children. even if they were to adopt children, homosexual parents are more likely to abuse their children.

homosexuals are more likely to abuse their children? where did you get this?
Going with the assumption that gay parents aren't abusive then i think i dont see whats wrong, if people are willing to adopt then great! And true homosexuals dont bare children, whats your point. Theres been no studies to show legallizing gay marriage is going to increase teh number of gay people around the world. and seriously please do some math, you really think its going to put a dent in the growth rate? given our current population a slow down may not be a bad idea anyways.

[*jooleeah*]

i think it's their own business if they get married or not.
i really don't think government or anything like that should get involved....

[tkproduce]

i think it's their own business if they get married or not.
i really don't think government or anything like that should get involved....

obviously the government wouldn't want to get involved if they don't have to, but there are a lot of people out there who have strong feelings for and against gay marriages, willing to commit crime to show off what they believe. So unfortunately, the government has to take action to keep the country intact

[tomorrow_nvr_com...]

in a non-critical/judgemental way...I am opposed to it. It is honestly against my beliefs and I honestly dont approve or like it, but on the other hand, I cant do anything to change that. I think some have good reasons for beingt he way they are...I have a lesbian aunt and it really upsets me but she is the way she is becuz of her background....but for those out there who say "i was born like that" my advice is to be "born again" (saved, covered by Jesus, accept Jesus)

[*kryogenix*]

homosexuals are more likely to abuse their children? where did you get this?
Going with the assumption that gay parents aren't abusive then i think i dont see whats wrong, if people are willing to adopt then great! And true homosexuals dont bare children, whats your point. Theres been no studies to show legallizing gay marriage is going to increase teh number of gay people around the world. and seriously please do some math, you really think its going to put a dent in the growth rate? given our current population a slow down may not be a bad idea anyways.

most cases of child abuse is committed by men. about of it is against young boys. this behavior is homosexual behavior, meaning homosexuality is a risk factor for molestation. homosexuals also engage in acts of sodomy...

you can look at this: http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3

[kevinma03]

how does this even affect gay marriage? this would be arguing for whether gay people should be allowed to adopt children, which they are allowed to do. and so far i haven't seen a massive influx of gay children and/or rape cases.


and as a sidenote, this is one of the only meaningful threads on The Lounge. Most other threads are meaningless spamnests

[visualfusion]

ok, im not opposed to it because:

1. if they're getting married how is that affecting me.
2. When gay ppl "do it", they cant umm..."have it" (i think so newayz), and that'll keep the constantly increasing population of the world down.

thats all i can think of right now, did u know, just like until a couple of months ago i was VERY opposed to gays, it just sickened me, but ive changed my thinking (no i have NOT become gay)

It isnt directly affecting you, but it is affecting the younger generation. Because these gay parents might and will adopt (or some other way of having children) children, more and more children will be "taught" of the knowledge of homosexuality. Based on nature's ways, children are suppose to follow their parents, and if their parents are gay, perhaps (not all, but more than normal) some shall think that it is ok to be gay, even if they are not born gay.

Oh? I didn't make any sense? I know.

[kevinma03]

how are animals gay then

[*kryogenix*]

uhh yea i don't oppose gay marraige. i really don't care about the whole "sacred union" that is assosciated with marraige. if you want that, go get married in a church, temple, etc. but if you just want the benefits that come with legal marraige, i think they should be available to everyone. but the spiritual part of marraige has always seemed as the union of man and woman to me..i dunno, maybe it's just the way i was brought up...

so you are saying respect the love of the gays but disrespect the idea of sacred union.

how does this even affect gay marriage? this would be arguing for whether gay people should be allowed to adopt children, which they are allowed to do. and so far i haven't seen a massive influx of gay children and/or rape cases.

you haven't seen a massive influx of reported gay children and/or rape cases. why do you think kids who were raped tell their story many years later? they need time to deal with it.

the birth rate will go down if the trend catches on.

[mznina]

i think its perfectly fine..if u love eachother why not!

[chelle]

Its not perfectly normal, but im not opposed to it.

who‘s to say what‘s normal and what‘s not??

I SAY f**k NO...they should not marry...its WRONG

reverse the situation. how would you like it if the norm was two women being together and two men. and they wanted to take away your right to marry whoever you wanted. this is america people. freedom. one of the main characteristics of this country. love is love. love is blind.

i want the US Congress to make a COnstitutional ammendment that makes marriage only be between a male and a female i have a real respect for bush for wanting this..and i hope it will be passed by when he leaves office...which is going to be another 4 years becuase he is going to be relected again

i think bush is an ignorant, bible-thumpin texan and he won’t get reelected. his reckless decisions cost him the support of many americans.

gay marriage is illegal...

it’s still legal in some places

i am opposed to gay marriages:
1. i think its wrong
2. its just gross
3. if you wanna live with your gay lover, just live with him/her...why do you hafta get a marriage license? its like the world is now "proclaiming" that they'll accept gay/lesbian practice to be a good thing.
...i've got friends who are gay/lesbian. i'm not saying that i don't like the people...i just don't like the ...concept...i guess
its like people who lie...i hate the sin, but not the people

“gay practice?” that is completely offensive. being gay is part of who a person is. if you hate it so much then i doubt very seriously that you have “good” gay/lesbian friends. just the fact you call it a sin states that you feel you are above the ppl that commit this “shameful” “practice”. and in response to number 3 of your reasoning: it’s very unfair that you expect gay couples to live together without any benefits of marriage. they should be able to have the same marriage that straight couples are allowed by law to have.

In the English common law tradition, from which our legal doctrines and concepts have developed, a marriage was a contract based upon a voluntary private agreement by a man and a woman to become husband and wife. Marriage was viewed as the basis of the family unit and vital to the preservation of morals and civilization. Traditionally, the husband had a duty to provide a safe house, pay for necessities such as food and clothing, and live in the house. The wife's obligations were maintaining a home, living in the home, having sexual relations with her husband, and rearing the couple's children. Today the underlying concept that marriage is a legal contract still remains but due to changes in society the legal obligations are not the same.

however, the states do have a right to regulate this but allowing gay marriages goes against the definition of marriage. imagine, people getting married to animals, blow up dolls!!!

that's why it's wrong.

get real! that’s a ridiculous argument. also notice that your quote is based in the past tense. suggesting that this is how it USED to be. times are different now. if it were the same people would still be hung for witchcraft at the accusation of any person.

[chelle]

It isnt directly affecting you, but it is affecting the younger generation. Because these gay parents might and will adopt (or some other way of having children) children, more and more children will be "taught" of the knowledge of homosexuality. Based on nature's ways, children are suppose to follow their parents, and if their parents are gay, perhaps (not all, but more than normal) some shall think that it is ok to be gay, even if they are not born gay.

Oh? I didn't make any sense? I know.

i think even heterosexual couples should teach their kids "knowledge" about homosexuality. otherwise, your kid will stumble through life ignorant. and in my opinion a child's sexual preference is not influenced by their parents. if anything it's influenced by the media...

i just wanted to say that i think eunie03 and kevinma03 are completely awesome. you two have been taking up for this issue throughout the whole thing and i've actually agreed with every one of your posts. i love the sarcastic, yet very intelligent comments ya'll have to aim at the ignorant arguments...thanx. u 2 are awesome!!