marijuana, legal? Options

[Mini]

Not true.  That isn't the case with cigarettes otherwise we would all be addicted to them; so how do you know it would be the case with pot.

That's because we are inhaling small amounts of nicotine and because it is indirect. That's why people aren't getting addicted. People don't receive enough nicotine each moment for the chemical to cause a sensation and most people don't know that they are inhaling it in the first place.

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). The membranes of certain nerve cells in the brain contain protein receptors that bind to THC. Once securely in place, THC kicks off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the high that users experience when they smoke marijuana.

As I said, since it is indirect. There isn't alot of amounts of THC inhaled. However, if drugs became legal. More and more people would start smoking it. More drug dealers would arise and sell more drugs without going to jail. Soon enough, the chemical build up would be enough to cause people to feel its affects INDIRECTLY because of those high amounts of chemicals in the air. THC cause people to be high, with no sense of judgement or direction, that would eventually lead to many deaths.

Read this http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/marijuana.html for the side effects and statistics.

Even medicine has its side-effects, but people know the risks before using it and its their decision. If it doesn't affect other peoples' lives, then so be it. But even medicine can be abused.

[ghjgfkgfk]

More drug dealers would arise and sell more drugs without going to jail.

drug dealers? what drug dealer sells LEGAL drugs?
i think there would be less dealers. you don't see tobacco dealers, do you?

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any drug that can spread its effects on others without their permission should be illegal. i dont want to inhale mary jane or any type of smoke when im breathing! it goes against my unalienable rights of being a homosabian, the right to breath clean air and live.

i don't know here you live, but in america, the air is already messed up as it is.

[inlonelinessidie]

drug dealers? what drug dealer sells LEGAL drugs?
i think there would be less dealers. you don't see tobacco dealers, do you?

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i don't know here you live, but in america, the air is already messed up as it is.

Yeah exactly.

[Mini]

drug dealers? what drug dealer sells LEGAL drugs?
i think there would be less dealers. you don't see tobacco dealers, do you?

That's because THEY MAKE COMPANIES that ISSUE more DRUGS. First, they are drug dealers. Then, when they make enough cash, they would start forming companies that sell marijuana. That's why you dont see tobacco dealers, because they can't distribute enough tobacco as the COMPANIES. Thus, more people would get marijuanna because since its legal like tobacco and alchohol, more people can get their hands on it.

i don't know here you live, but in america, the air is already messed up as it is.

Yes, I do live in America. However, I rather breath air that is full of toxic wastes than air that is full of toxic wastes and THC, nicotine, and other chemicals added to that.

[ComradeRed]

As I said, since it is indirect. There isn't alot of amounts of THC inhaled. However, if drugs became legal. More and more people would start smoking it. More drug dealers would arise and sell more drugs without going to jail. Soon enough, the chemical build up would be enough to cause people to feel its affects INDIRECTLY because of those high amounts of chemicals in the air. THC cause people to be high, with no sense of judgement or direction, that would eventually lead to many deaths.

First, a government site isn't reliable when the government is the agency in question of wrongdoing. Second, even if marijuana was so bad for you, enforcing laws against use is infinitely worse. Under civil asset forfeiture, your neighbor can anonymously report you -- and the police can take all your property without a trial. You do not even have the right to a lawyer since technically your property is the thing under arrest. Never mind that the use of forfeiture was a main reason that we overthrew the British. A city or township can enact public ordinances that FINE people for smoking marijuana IN PUBLIC (many cities have similar ordinances against smoking) -- but the choice to do it in the privacy of your own home is yours and yours alone.

[*Kathleen*]

But do you realize how much it would boost the economy? Besides, as I said before, it'd be your decision to smoke or not. I mean, dealers aren't going to force you to do drugs. It wouldn't affect you.

[ghjgfkgfk]

kathleen is right.
or maybe the groverment can put TAXES on it. you know how much the grovenment loves taxes.

and if you wondering about what good can pot do (really interesting read), http://www.doitnow.org/pages/124.html

What THC does do is relieve the severe nausea and vomiting caused by powerful anti-cancer chemicals. Of at least 20 studies completed so far, nine showed THC superior to traditional anti-nausea drugs, while another five found it equally effective.

Many of pot's ingredients — particularly the cannabinoids — are poorly understood, even today. That's the reason that establishing which ingredients produce what effects is still an uncertain process.

Another reason is that most of marijuana's therapeutic effects-including its ability to improve appetite, reduce nausea and muscle spasms, and relieve pressure within the eye-are mediated and modified by its interaction with the central nervous system.

(and don't give that 'not everything on the internet is true!' ****.)

[Mini]

But do you realize how much it would boost the economy? Besides, as I said before, it'd be your decision to smoke or not. I mean, dealers aren't going to force you to do drugs. It wouldn't affect you.

Yes, but if you smoke it. The chemicals get air borne, so basically for those who don't want to inhale it, inhale it anyways.

and if you wondering about what good can pot do (really interesting read), http://www.doitnow.org/pages/124.html

Medicine gets abused even aspirin. Too much of anything can do more harm than good. Hey if they ever make marijuanna in pills, fine by me, they can use it to their heart's content. However, right now marijuanna is smoked, therefore the chemicals get in the air and into the lungs of others.

A city or township can enact public ordinances that FINE people for smoking marijuana IN PUBLIC (many cities have similar ordinances against smoking) -- but the choice to do it in the privacy of your own home is yours and yours alone.

Why would they fine you if it was legal? Wouldn't you use it in public more often if it was legalized?

[inlonelinessidie]

Why would they fine you if it was legal? Wouldn't you use it in public more often if it was legalized?

Because people like you would complain because of their lungs.

[Mini]

Because people like you would complain because of their lungs.

Yes. Therefore it should be illegal. If it was legal, I don't get why the individuals who use marijuanna would be obligated to pay the fine. Only if it was illegal, then it would make sense.

I think there should be laws against the use of tobacco and even more laws for alchohol. Not alot of people are enforcing that a person shouldn't drive when they are intoxicated with alchohol, it should be regurlarly enforced. Tobacco should be deemed illegal.

[ComradeRed]

Yes, but if you smoke it. The chemicals get air borne, so basically for those who don't want to inhale it, inhale it anyways.


Medicine gets abused even aspirin. Too much of anything can do more harm than good. Hey if they ever make marijuanna in pills, fine by me, they can use it to their heart's content. However, right now marijuanna is smoked, therefore the chemicals get in the air and into the lungs of others.

All that only happens if you smoke IN PUBLIC. In private -- that is, on your own property -- you should be allowed to smoke whatever you want. If someone breathes the smoke, that's because they chose to come to your property.

Why would they fine you if it was legal? Wouldn't you use it in public more often if it was legalized?

No. When somethings is illegal, it means you can't use it. Ever. And if you do, they can put you in jail. However, a township can enact a public air ordinance to prohibits smoking in public. As opposed to a penal law (which has the power to regulate what people do in their own homes and put them in jail), an ordinance doesn't govern people -- it governs land.

When a city passes a law making it so that you can be fined for smoking marijuana in public, it's like if a restaurant makes a rule that you can't smoke in the restaurant -- it's not making something illegal, it's just restricting what you can use on someone else's property (the city or restaurant).

Yes. Therefore it should be illegal. If it was legal, I don't get why the individuals who use marijuanna would be obligated to pay the fine. Only if it was illegal, then it would make sense.

I think there should be laws against the use of tobacco and even more laws for alchohol. Not alot of people are enforcing that a person shouldn't drive when they are intoxicated with alchohol, it should be regurlarly enforced. Tobacco should be deemed illegal.

The last time we deemed alcohol illegal, over 10 thousand Americans died every year because of it, while entire cities were head basically at gunpoint by corrupt crime bosses. The same thing is happening (albeit on a smaller scale) with the War on Drugs -- drug lords essentailly own poor inner-city areas, something that didn't happen before drugs were illegal. The same thing would happen with tobacc.

Penal law is designed to punish crime -- i.e. when you actively and intentionally hurt someone else. It's not designed for drugs. After all -- in common notions of justice, the punishment fits the crime (You commit murder, you are murdered, you rob, you pay back your victim). How would you have punishment fit the crime of doing drugs? You do drugs, you force others to do drugs?

A city should have the right to make people pay a fine for using marijuana IN PUBLIC -- but it is their own right to use it in private. By making a drug illegal, you are interferring with people's civil right to their own body, and their property right to do what they want ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

A local ordinance that puts a fine on public drunkenness is not the same as a national law abolishing alcohol. Similarly, I have no problem with a city deciding to not allow marijuana use on city property -- public roads, parks, etc.

It all comes down to property rights -- If you don't want someone to do drugs on your property, then don't let them. But you don't have the right to tell someone what they can do on THEIR property -- which is the key difference.

[Mini]

Thanks for explaining that to me Comrade Red.

Anyways, I have a question in what you said.

A city should have the right to make people pay a fine for using marijuana IN PUBLIC -- but it is their own right to use it in private. By making a drug illegal, you are interferring with people's civil right to their own body, and their property right to do what they want ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

Yet, if they smoked marijuanna whether in public or in their property, the chemicals would still be in the air. Chemicals can travel in the air around the world. Wouldn't their actions cause interferrence of other's civil rights to their bodies? Like I said, if they made marijuanna in pills, then fine, they can use it to their heart's content.

Also, I do agree with you in what will happen if we outlawed the drugs and alchohol yet informing people that it is illegal might restrain some from using them more often or ever trying it.

Even though alchohol doesn't affect others' bodies, I just a law that states a person shouldn't drive when intoxicated with alchohol.

[sikdragon]

All research and successful drug policy show
That treatment should be increased,
And law enforcement decreased,
While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.

[nyctophiliac]

i think it should be legalized // hey if you wanna screw up your life, then go ahead...and plus isnt it used for medicine too?

[islandkiss]

I never tried it and I have no intentions in doing so.

of course marijuana should be illegal. it's addictive and it's a drug that effects your body physically and mentally.

[juliar]

Making marijuana legal will just end up legalizing cocaine, heroin, etc. All the bad stuff.

[ComradeRed]

So? All the "bad stuff" was legal until the 60s, and we have a greater drug (and poverty, and crime, and human rights, etc.) problem now.

If you are against, drugs, don't use them.

[inlonelinessidie]

So? All the "bad stuff" was legal until the 60s, and we have a greater drug (and poverty, and crime, and human rights, etc.) problem now.

If you are against, drugs, don't use them.

Exactly. Don't use them, just like people who don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes/cigars.

[imm]

I would like to quote Bob Burnquist and Jen O'brien on this one. And I quote:

I agree with what Burnquist and O'brien have to say about this, but I also agree with what the politicians say. They believe that if they legalize Marijuana, that it may lead people to start doing other drugs that are more harmful. Now that's the only point I agree with, I don't agree with the fact that it can kill people. Sure it can do so but cigarettes do that as well. They also say that it can be very harmful if you are driving under the influence . . . but doesn't alcohol do that as well? And aren't cigarettes and alcohol both legal?

So in conclusion, I say legalize it. The government should stop being greedy because they know that it's an plant and that they can't tax us on that.

Took the words outta my mouth.

But doesn't marijuana do brain damage whereas cigarretes don't?

[*x____duckii*]

do you think pot should be legal? No, all drugs should be illegalized.
if yes, what good will come out of it? Medical purposes?
do you approve people using it? Not if it's someone I care about.
have you ever tried it? No

[fallen_angel1137]

I strongly think pot should be legal...what good will come out of it? Well, people wouldn't have to "sneak" around to do it so much more and it should be your choice to do what you want and especially..it is a plant. Most of the population has or does do(ne) marijuana. Do i approve of people using it? Yes as long as they don't abuse it. Have I ever tried it? Yes

[F1R3B4T]

if it were legalized true ther wud be less pressure and free up a lot of jail cells, but then it threatens other people because once its legalized, it'll be easy to access n ther be a lot of it on the streets. they wud need a whole new way to sell this drugs, because its too dangerous to jus sit ther and sell it like a normal store uno? a bunch of hardcore potheads come up tear up the dealer n steal it ya kno?

[ComradeRed]

There is a lot of Alcohol and cigarettes "on the streets". How often to nicotine addicts take their shotgun, break into 7-11 and steal their cigarettes? Why is it too dangerous to sell in a store?

In the 1920s and 1930s, when we abolished alcohol, a popular substitute was Heroin -- and Heroin was sold in stores, with NO PROBLEM whatsoever -- certainly Heroin is more dangerous than weed?

[sikdragon]

heroin is more dangerous than weed. weed cant kill you short of an allergic reaction. when weed is laced with something else it becomes a different story. Pot should be legal. They should print surgeon generals warnings on the packages too.

Think how great it would be to smoke pot on your front porch without narcs raiding the place finding the bricks stacked high in the back. damn that was hard to explain.

[DaNgErOusLy_In_L...]

marijuana??? iz it legal??? now thatz one DUMB @$$ ? if u ask me evn tho u dydnt ... 1, itz a drug, 2 itz a drug yea, that can kill u, 3, in-fact NE drug can kill u!! n marijuana iz one uv them.. it can get u high.. read thys short poem::

jack n jill went up the hill
to fetch sum marijuana
jack got high unzipped hiz fly
n sed "do u wunna?"
jill sed yes n dropped her dress
n then they had sum fun
but silly jill 4got the pill
9 monthz l8r they had a son!!

C? it can get u high n then make u do wacko stuff that can cauz u to 'do it' lol n then have a babii afterwardz... SO I THYNK IT IZ ILLEGAL!!! WHICH IT IZ ALREADI!!!!

Ashlyn

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