Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong? Options

[inlonelinessidie]

btw im not gay, and i must certainly believe in God and i am catholic.

Ah now I see the point in why you were arguing about the Bible.

[gerundio]

thats not the point, you can choose to believe the bible or not. MY point was that you were wrong in saying that people are born gay and that it has not been proven. dont try and change the subject

and how exactly has the idea that homosexuality is "sinful" been proven? its said in the bible?

ok ill tell you right now that i dont have much tolerence for sarcasm like that. this is a debate, if you want to try to make cute remarks like that go to the humor forum...that wasnt even funny anyway

did that display of "blasphemy" make u uncomfortable? am i goin to hell now? sorry, it must have been the devil who tempted me to say that.

ok and you were questioning if the bible was true and whatnot, WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get the idea that God created homosexulaity? and you acknowledged that he created everything too. youre definately contradicting yourself here...and again, cut the sarcasm

no i said that if God indeed created everything, then he obviously created homosexuality. WHAT DONT U UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WORD EVERYTHING?
now, how was i contradicting my self...?

again, homosexuality is not a corruption of sexuality... i am not advocating full blown orgies or even promiscuousness but if two ppl love each other then i dont see how there is anything morally questionable about sexual relations.

you dont have to understand, we live the way we choose just like you. nobody said you had to agree, just like some of us dont agree with the practice of homosexulaity. and yes i do believe that there is no grey areas. in my opinion, there is only good and bad

well than i sincerely feel sorry for u, all sarcasm aside.

[captured_serenit...]

they are great people.

[Spirited Away]

let me ask u guys a few questions to see if i REALLY wanna go on arguin this...

do u believe in hell?
do u believe believe God has a gender?
oh and do u believe in the easter bunny?

To answer your questions, even though they weren't directed ay me, I feel like I should answer from a non-religious perspective.

No, I do not believe in the Hell of the Christian faith.
No, I do not believe in the Christian God, therefore gender is moot.
No, due to answer number two.

Ultimately, I do not consider religion to be a big part of this argument because morality is almost instinct, while religion is something... learned, in my opinion.

Therefore instinctively, as I have been saying all along, I cannot accept homosexual marriages quite yet... (and I have explained why that is in some previous posts about two pages back).

But most importantly, I wanted to clear up any misconceptions about nature vs nurture being "proven". If either one has been proven, do you think that people will still be so adamently against it? If either one has been proven why do we still question the nature of homosexuality? If it has been proven, WHO PROVED IT and was there anyone who DISPROVED it?

Yes, I have read that there is a certain strand DNA near the X chromosome that relates to sexual orientation, but there are also readings on social arguments for homosexuality where evironmental dynamics and even society are key.

The fact is, the controversy is still running.

[xHalf nHalf]

and how exactly has the idea that homosexuality is "sinful" been proven? its said in the bible?

ok...whats your point? i backed up my statement with resources..you didnt. you tried to say that people are born gay and didnt even provide us with some evidence or proof...again you got strayed from my point

did that display of "blasphemy" make u uncomfortable? am i goin to hell now? sorry, it must have been the devil who tempted me to say that.

who said anything about blasphemy? all im simply saying is that those cute little remarks have no purpose in this debate. which im guessing means nothing to you so i take it that the only kind of reponses you have left are sarcastic ones instead of sticking with your argument which i may add are backed up in no way what so ever

no i said that if God indeed created everything, then he obviously created homosexuality. WHAT DONT U UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WORD EVERYTHING?
now, how was i contradicting my self...?

i have to admit youre the first person ive come across to posses any kind of thought that God created homosexuality..it has to be the most ignorant remark ive heard in awhile. but you know what lets just go with it for a sec. ok, so God created homosexuality..and then says that it is a sin...whats the point in that? why would he create being attracted to the same sex and then tell man it is an abomination to practice it? it makes no sense. and i think that we all agree that God is perfect and almgihty, the supreme being, blah blah blah. if this is so..how would he make such a simple mistake as that? again, it makes no sense.

again, homosexuality is not a corruption of sexuality... i am not advocating full blown orgies or even promiscuousness but if two ppl love each other then i dont see how there is anything morally questionable about sexual relations.

ok nobody accused you of promothing any of those things. some of us simply said that it is against our morals and beliefs. and its not the fact that they love each other, it is the act of putting themselves into that kind of situation by choosing to being attracted to the same sex. if they would not choose to do that then they wouldnt be in love with that person.

well than i sincerely feel sorry for u, all sarcasm aside.

oh please, save that sympathy for somebody that would want or need it seriously..give me a frekkin break

[gerundio]

i have to admit youre the first person ive come across to posses any kind of thought that God created homosexuality..it has to be the most ignorant remark ive heard in awhile. but you know what lets just go with it for a sec. ok, so God created homosexuality..and then says that it is a sin...whats the point in that? why would he create being attracted to the same sex and then tell man it is an abomination to practice it?

WOW. u missed my whole point -- GOD DOES NOT CONSIDER HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN. actually im not too sure i believe in sin, but if there is such thing as sin homosexuality is definitely not sinful.

u called me ignorant? lol. look who the fudge is talkin.

ok nobody accused you of promothing any of those things. some of us simply said that it is against our morals and beliefs. and its not the fact that they love each other, it is the act of putting themselves into that kind of situation by choosing to being attracted to the same sex. if they would not choose to do that then they wouldnt be in love with that person.

what? this is bullshit.

homosexuals do not choose to be attracted to the same sex, they just are. do u even know what the word homosexual means, cuz u didnt kno what "everything" meant.


oh and u didnt back up ur evidence for homosexuality bein a sin. the bible and ur faith are not valid evidence. try and use logical reasoning.

[xHalf nHalf]

WOW. u missed my whole point -- GOD DOES NOT CONSIDER HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN. actually im not too sure i believe in sin, but if there is such thing as sin homosexuality is definitely not sinful.

ROFLMAO! do you realize how frekkin childish that sounds? how can you try and claim something is or isnt sinful when you dont even know you believe in sin?! MAKE UP YOUR MIND! you cant have it both ways!

u called me ignorant? lol. look who the fudge is talkin.

HEY GENIUS, look back at my comment. I SAID THAT YOUR REMARK WAS IGNORANT! dont try and make this personal, its just a debate.

homosexuals do not choose to be attracted to the same sex, they just are. do u even know what the word homosexual means, cuz u didnt kno what "everything" meant.

um yeah im very much aware of what it means, otherwise i wouldnt be frekkin debating about it homes. like i said, dont try and make this personal by making those kinda remarks. stick to the debating instead of bashing.

oh and u didnt back up ur evidence for homosexuality bein a sin.  the bible and ur faith are not valid evidence. try and use logical reasoning.

oh and YOU backed up ANY of your comments??? DONT THINK SO. i suggest you take your own advice, at least i gave SOME kind of resource. this WHOLE debate you submitted NOTHING. people are born gay? God created homosexuality?? YOU PROVIDED NO TYPE OF EVIDENCE. and IM then one that needs to use logical reasoning? wow youre right, im so outta line ehhh, maybe not

[waccoon]

ROFLMAO! do you realize how frekkin childish that sounds? how can you try and claim something is or isnt sinful when you dont even know you believe in sin?! MAKE UP YOUR MIND! you cant have it both ways!


HEY GENIUS, look back at my comment. I SAID THAT YOUR REMARK WAS IGNORANT! dont try and make this personal, its just a debate.


um yeah im very much aware of what it means, otherwise i wouldnt be frekkin debating about it homes. like i said, dont try and make this personal by making those kinda remarks. stick to the debating instead of bashing.


oh and YOU backed up ANY of your comments??? DONT THINK SO. i suggest you take your own advice, at least i gave SOME kind of resource. this WHOLE debate you submitted NOTHING. people are born gay? God created homosexuality?? YOU PROVIDED NO TYPE OF EVIDENCE. and IM then one that needs to use logical reasoning? wow youre right, im so outta line ehhh, maybe not

Whoa, chill out. You're getting pretty heated up.

So, um. Remember, respect everyone else and stick to the topic.

[gerundio]

ROFLMAO! do you realize how frekkin childish that sounds? how can you try and claim something is or isnt sinful when you dont even know you believe in sin?! MAKE UP YOUR MIND! you cant have it both ways!

i said that homosexuality is not a sin. can't be. how many ways can i put that? hint: reading comprehension.

i said from the beginnin that homosexuality cannot be a sin. i made my mind up on this topic a looooong time ago. now rollin on floor and laughin out loud is not doin much for ur argument.

um yeah im very much aware of what it means, otherwise i wouldnt be frekkin debating about it homes. like i said, dont try and make this personal by making those kinda remarks. stick to the debating instead of bashing.

u said that "...by choosing to being attracted to the same sex. if they would not choose to do that then they wouldnt be in love with that person." now ur sayin my remarks ignorant, but this one is just ridiculously ignorant. ill promise to stick to debating instead of bashing if u promise to stick to facts and not outright lies. gay ppl are attracted to ppl of the same sex, and not by their own choice. i thought u knew that. i guess not.

i have to repeat myself a million times. i said from the beginnin that homosexuality is not a sin. and u come and say:

"so God created homosexuality..and then says that it is a sin...whats the point in that? why would he create being attracted to the same sex and then tell man it is an abomination to practice it?"

maybe b/c its a not a sin? (reading comprehension).

oh heres another one:

"WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get the idea that God created homosexulaity? and you acknowledged that he created everything too. youre definately contradicting yourself here...and again, cut the sarcasm"

u kno what maybe i wasnt contradictin myself... maybe by "everything" i meant every single thing... could it be?

oh and YOU backed up ANY of your comments??? DONT THINK SO. i suggest you take your own advice, at least i gave SOME kind of resource. this WHOLE debate you submitted NOTHING. people are born gay? God created homosexuality?? YOU PROVIDED NO TYPE OF EVIDENCE. and IM then one that needs to use logical reasoning? wow youre right, im so outta line ehhh, maybe not

uninspiredfae here posted something very close to what i said:

"But most importantly, I wanted to clear up any misconceptions about nature vs nurture being "proven". If either one has been proven, do you think that people will still be so adamently against it? If either one has been proven why do we still question the nature of homosexuality? If it has been proven, WHO PROVED IT and was there anyone who DISPROVED it?

Yes, I have read that there is a certain strand DNA near the X chromosome that relates to sexual orientation, but there are also readings on social arguments for homosexuality where evironmental dynamics and even society are key. "

now i dont have 80 million websites or 1 for that matter to giv u a link. hmm. i dont consider the reasons why ppl are gay bookmark material.

as for God creating homosexuality... what do u want? u want me to tell God to leave u a voicemail? do u want a text message from heaven? cuz thats what u obviously think that the stuff in the bible is. u shall not have sexual relations with men...

and what i was sayin about something logical is to try and use reasoning to prove ur point. ur not goin to convince an atheist that homosexuality is morally incorrect by mentionin a few passages from the bible. say because of this, this must be true. or u can just give up.

[xHalf nHalf]

i said that homosexuality is not a sin. can't be. how many ways can i put that? hint: reading comprehension.

i said from the beginnin that homosexuality cannot be a sin. i made my mind up on this topic a looooong time ago. now rollin on floor and laughin out loud is not doin much for ur argument.

ok..how is this relavent to what i asked you? my question was that how can you believe something is OR is not sinful(either way) if you dont even know you believe in sin?

actually im not too sure i believe in sin

this is the third time you havnt not stuck with the subject...

u said that "...by choosing to being attracted to the same sex. if they would not choose to do that then they wouldnt be in love with that person." now ur sayin my remarks ignorant, but this one is just ridiculously ignorant. ill promise to stick to debating instead of bashing if u promise to stick to facts and not outright lies. gay ppl are attracted to ppl of the same sex, and not by their own choice. i thought u knew that. i guess not.

and who are you to determine or say what are or are not lies? why should i believe any of your comments are indeed facts? especially because you have supplied any kind of resources not once this whole debate. ok so again, our opinions are different and obviosly no way to change that.

i have to repeat myself a million times. i said from the beginnin that homosexuality is not a sin. and u come and say:

"so God created homosexuality..and then says that it is a sin...whats the point in that? why would he create being attracted to the same sex and then tell man it is an abomination to practice it?"

maybe b/c its a not a sin? (reading comprehension).

ok im sorry but im not changing my opinion on this, if it says in the bible in that that in God's eyes that homosexulity is a sin, then im sticking with it. i really dont understand how you can try to argue with that..and youre catholic you say? but then again you dont believe in what is said in the bible..because youre not sure that those are indeed God's words? alllrighty

oh heres another one:

"WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get the idea that God created homosexulaity? and you acknowledged that he created everything too. youre definately contradicting yourself here...and again, cut the sarcasm"

u kno what maybe i wasnt contradictin myself... maybe by "everything" i meant every single thing... could it be?

ok too bad you didnt include the whole comment. i was asking how do you imply that God created everything when you question his word? if you dont believe in whats in the bible then where did you get the idea that God created everything?

uninspiredfae here posted something very close to what i said:

"But most importantly, I wanted to clear up any misconceptions about nature vs nurture being "proven". If either one has been proven, do you think that people will still be so adamently against it? If either one has been proven why do we still question the nature of homosexuality? If it has been proven, WHO PROVED IT and was there anyone who DISPROVED it?

Yes, I have read that there is a certain strand DNA near the X chromosome that relates to sexual orientation, but there are also readings on social arguments for homosexuality where evironmental dynamics and even society are key. "

ok please tell me where you said anything close to that...please quote it for me

now i dont have 80 million websites or 1 for that matter to giv u a link. hmm. i dont consider the reasons why ppl are gay bookmark material.

yeah nobody asked for 80 million websites..but would to go look up just one hurt? whats the point of debtaing when you dont have the resources to back it up? and you say that me quoting the bible isnt a relyable source cause it doesnt state facts or whatever...but it is the source of my beliefs. and thats better than absolutely nothing.

as for God creating homosexuality... what do u want? u want me to tell God to leave u a voicemail? do u want a text message from heaven? cuz thats what u obviously think that the stuff in the bible is. u shall not have sexual relations with men... 

you could you please? because i know that it is sooo possible give me a break with those dumb comments. again, this is a debate. and you totally lost me at the end...totally

and what i was sayin about something logical is to try and use reasoning to prove ur point. ur not goin to convince an atheist that homosexuality is morally incorrect by mentionin a few passages from the bible. say because of this, this must be true. or u can just give up.

yeah im definately not trying to convince an atheist that being gay is morally wrong..i wouldnt even waste my time. i hope that youre not trying to say that you are an atheist now. oh yeah and youre not going to be able to convince a Christian that being born gay is possible by......just saying it..

[gerundio]

ok..how is this relavent to what i asked you? my question was that how can you believe something is OR is not sinful(either way) if you dont even know you believe in sin?

the thing is my point has always been that homosexuality is not a sin. what is irrelevant is whether or not i believe in sin. if sin does exist i know what would qualifies as a sin, and homosexuality is definitely not one as it is not immoral. see its called logic... if something is not immoral than it cannot not be a sin.

this is the third time you havnt not stuck with the subject...

lets say that i havent been keepin to the subject (which of course is untrue). u still hav no right to say this was the 3rd time b/c that comment was several posts ago. nice try.

and who are you to determine or say what are or are not lies? why should i believe any of your comments are indeed facts? especially because you have supplied any kind of resources not once this whole debate. ok so again, our opinions are different and obviosly no way to change that.

ur words AGAIN:

"and its not the fact that they love each other, it is the act of putting themselves into that kind of situation by choosing to being attracted to the same sex. if they would not choose to do that then they wouldnt be in love with that person."

THESE ARE NOT MY OR ANYBODY ELSES OPINIONS. THESE ARE FACTS. HOMOSEXUALS ARE ATTRACTED TO PPL OF THE SAME SEX. THEY DO NOT CHOOSE TO. same thing goes for straight ppl bein attracted to the opposite sex. IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? DO U NEED A "RESOURCE" FOR THIS? I HAVE ONE... HOW ABOUT U LOOK UP A LESBIAN IN THE PERSONALS AND I AM SURE SHE'LL ANSWER UR QUESTION.

damn.

ok im sorry but im not changing my opinion on this, if it says in the bible in that that in God's eyes that homosexulity is a sin, then im sticking with it. i really dont understand how you can try to argue with that..and youre catholic you say? but then again you dont believe in what is said in the bible..because youre not sure that those are indeed God's words? alllrighty

yes i am roman catholic. what...

i am not sayin that all of the bible is bullshit. what i am sayin that u cant take parts of the bible as "Gods word." the bible was written by man. maybe parts of it were inspired by the divine. the bible is also a highly metaphorical work. the gospels are a different thing which im not even goin to talk about.

what are u? christian what?

ok too bad you didnt include the whole comment. i was asking how do you imply that God created everything when you question his word? if you dont believe in whats in the bible then where did you get the idea that God created everything?

no u just have no grasp of what reading comprehension is.

this is what i said:

"no i said that if God indeed created everything, then he obviously created homosexuality. WHAT DONT U UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WORD EVERYTHING?
now, how was i contradicting my self...?"

do u see that if?

but i do think that God at least began and maybe aided the process of evolution. and maybe the bible didnt tell me that. maybe its called sense and intution. maybe its also because most of the world's religions have a creator god.

how am i questioning God's word? (u forgot to capitalize the "h" in "him" ur goin to hell) please tell me? have i not told u that i dont take the whole bible as God's word. please READ more carefully. use ur finger to trace the words if u need to.

ok please tell me where you said anything close to that...please quote it for me

its on the previous page. i say "it has been proven both ways." stretch ur interpretation skills to see if u can divine the meanin of my statement.

yeah nobody asked for 80 million websites..but would to go look up just one hurt? whats the point of debtaing when you dont have the resources to back it up? and you say that me quoting the bible isnt a relyable source cause it doesnt state facts or whatever...but it is the source of my beliefs. and thats better than absolutely nothing.

whats the point of debatin when u cant read?

an no ur beliefs are not exactly better than nothing.

you could you please? because i know that it is sooo possible give me a break with those dumb comments. again, this is a debate. and you totally lost me at the end...totally

i return intelligent statements with intelligent statements... its kind of hard in this case.

yeah im definately not trying to convince an atheist that being gay is morally wrong..i wouldnt even waste my time. i hope that youre not trying to say that you are an atheist now. oh yeah and youre not going to be able to convince a Christian that being born gay is possible by......just saing it..

no im not an atheist. ive been sayin the whole time i believe in God. (reading skills) and obviously im not goin to be able to convince u LMAO i wish, thats next to impossible.

[CrimsonArchangel]

its said in the bible?

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable".

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable". (I won't put the rest of that verse because even to me it sounds a bit harsh).

Romans 1:27
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion".

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Dude, if you don't even believe in the Bible why would you even care? Besides, if more than one person can quote the Bible with such sayings, don't you think there might be some truth to them?
What kind of catholic are you? Even you must know that the Catholic Church (the Pope himself) is *very* against homosexuality.

I'm gonna post something that I found. You guys can debate and what not.

1. Recent studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from a psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. We see higher rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse. By N.E. Whitehead, Ph.D.
(Author of "My Genes Made Me Do It")

2.Homosexual behaviors are fraught with serious mental health and physical consequences--all of which are well documented in scientific literature. One doesn't have to consider homosexuality to be sinful to understand that such behaviors places its participants at risk for mental/physical illnesses - Dr. A. Dean Byrd

3.In 1999, the Medical Institute of Sexual Health reported that, "Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices." - Dr. A. Dean Byrd

4.In fact, even gay-activist researchers themselves, who have been desperately seeking a genetic element to homosexuality, have come up empty. Several of these researchers have openly admitted their failure. - Dr. A. Dean Byrd

5. Dr. Dean Hamer (who is a gay-activist) said, "There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. ... I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

6. Researcher Dean Hamer, attempted to link male homosexuality to a stretch of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. After this study he said, “ The pedigree failed to produce what we originally hoped to find: simple Mendelian inheritance. In fact, we never found a single family in which homosexuality was distributed in the obvious pattern that Mendel observed in his pea plants."

7. Dr. LeVay (who is also a gay-activist) said, "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work."

8. Homosexual philosopher Camille Paglia is quite blunt in her assessment of the "born gay" theory: "No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous ... homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait. ..."

9. The "genetic and unchangeable" theory has been actively promoted by gay activists and the popular media. Is homosexuality really an inborn and normal variant of human nature? “No. There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic." And none of the research claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public.

10. Here is what serious scientists think about recent genetics-of-behavior research. From Science, 1994: “Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits, only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter, "it's hard to come up with many" findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated. "...All were announced with great fanfare; all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

11. Scientific terms are all too often mis-understood and used wrongly. The problem is the media takes a few short sentences from a study and makes a case out of something that never was the case in the first place. “There are only two major principles that need to be carefully understood in order to see through the distortions of the recent research. They are as follows: 1. Heritable does not mean inherited. 2. Genetics research which is truly meaningful will identify, and then focus on, only traits that are directly inherited. Almost every human characteristic is in significant measure heritable. But few human behavioral traits are directly inherited, in the manner of height, for example, or eye color. Inherited means "directly determined by genes," with little or no way of preventing or modifying the trait through a change in the environment. Science has never, ever proved that homosexuality is an Inherited trait, instead a gay activist scientist only claimed that homosexuality may be a heritable gene. The media and homosexuals grab that and run with it saying that homosexuality has been proven as a inherited gene when that is completely untrue, even by scientific findings.

12. Dr. Hamer--himself a gay man--adds that science remains "just as clueless" as ever about the environmental influences on homosexuality. Dr. Hamer's statement is consistent with a position taken by most gay advocates, who flatly deny the existence of evidence that points to certain family and social influences on homosexuality.

13. Published in the Globe: “The gene still has not been found, and interest in--and enthusiasm for--the 'gay gene' research has waned among activists and scientists alike.”

14. When "gay gene" researcher Dr. Dean Hamer was asked if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology, he replied: "Absolutely not. From twin studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors...not negate the psychosocial factors."

15. William Byne, a psychiatrist with a doctorate in biology, and Bruce Parsons (1993) carefully analyzed all the major biological studies of homosexuality. They found none that definitively supported a biological theory of causation.

16. “Despite recent neurobiological findings suggesting homosexuality is genetically-biologically determined, credible evidence is lacking for a biological model of homosexuality." --R. Friedman, M.D. and J. Downey, M.D., Journal of Neuropsychiatry, vol. 5, No. 2, Spring l993.

17. "Gay criticism has not addressed the classic family configuration"; it has merely "asserted away the considerable evidence" for the existence of family factors. Studies which attempt to disprove the existence of the classic family pattern in homosexuality are "convincing only to those with a need to believe." --S. Goldberg (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

18. “There is a genetic component to homosexuality, but 'component' is just a loose way of indicating genetic associations and linkages. 'Linkage' and 'association' do not mean 'causation.' There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public." --Jeffrey Satinover, M.D., The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8.

19. The national organization P-FLAG ("Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays") offers a booklet prepared with the assistance of Dr. Clinton Anderson of the American Psychological Association. Entitled, "Why Ask Why? Addressing the Research on Homosexuality and Biology," the pamphlet says: "To date, no researcher has claimed that genes can determine sexual orientation. At best, researchers believe that there may be a genetic component. No human behavior, let alone sexual behavior, has been connected to genetic markers to date...sexuality, like every other behavior, is undoubtedly influenced by both biological and societal factors."

[gerundio]

Dude, if you don't even believe in the Bible why would you even care? Besides, if more than one person can quote the Bible with such sayings, don't you think there might be some truth to them?

do i find the idea that a bunch of bible-belt christians agree with the bible's stance on homosexuality convincing? no. do i think that there might be ANY truth to them? no.

What kind of catholic are you? Even you must know that the Catholic Church (the Pope himself) is *very* against homosexuality.

who the fvck are you to judge as to what type of catholic i am?

of course i know the catholic church is against homosexuality. actually they recently (in the last decades) changed there stance from condemning gays to know just being against gay sex. they have been changing their viewpoint and positions on so many things over since the beginning of their history.

do you also know one of the reasons why the catholic church has to be against homosexuality? the clergy is full of gays. do you remember all cases there have been of child molesting? if the church is to say that are they for homosexuality, what do you think that many people would think? the church would be promoting gay sex, people might think that by doing that they are inadvertantly also promoting more child molesting, which in the majority of cases has been priests molesting boys. not that the church has done much in order to prevent further molesting. lol. i was reading a catholic newspaper the other day that said if are you molested by a member of the clergy, please before doing anything else contact a priest. yeah sure, so they can get the guilty priest out of any legal trouble. ever heard oEf calling the POLIC?

and guess what? the pope is not fvcking infallible. him and his cardinals are no holier than i am. you want holy people? look at the religious who really do God's work. this pope has done several good things, but his view on homosexuality is incorrect.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Getting a bit defensive, are we, Gerundio? Stand your ground man.

Will you for once show us proof of what you say? Or back it up with something? Yes, it might not be right, just as what we are saying might not be, but at least we have data to back it up.

Do the same.

[EddieV]

fine with it here...

[CrimsonArchangel]

Isn't this a debate on the morality of homosexuality? Not the religious implications and debate of it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the title says "Homosexuals? Are they ok or just wrong?" or something like that. It doesn't say to bring the bible into this.... (I am a christian) I think that by using the bible we cause people that have no clue what they are talking about to make total fools of themselves, so lets try to stick with the morality of homosexuality? Not religious views?

[gerundio]

Getting a bit defensive, are we, Gerundio? Stand your ground man. 

Will you for once show us proof of what you say? Or back it up with something? Yes, it might not be right, just as what we are saying might not be, but at least we have data to back it up.

Do the same.

i have more than stood my ground. what have you backed up? that homosexuality is influenced by both genetic and social factors? i said that it has been "proved" both ways, so i honestly i don't see why we are arguing that anymore.

in fact, that's the only point you have focused on in my whole argument. obviously there's nothing else you can contest. for example, you haven't been able to prove me otherwise when i say that the bible saying that homosexuality is BULLSHIT.

the train of thought i have provided has been a lot sounder than the logic that you and halfnhalf have given. lol, halfnhalf actually believes that gays choose to be attracted to the same sex. lmao.

Isn't this a debate on the morality of homosexuality? Not the religious implications and debate of it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the title says "Homosexuals? Are they ok or just wrong?" or something like that. It doesn't say to bring the bible into this.... (I am a christian) I think that by using the bible we cause people that have no clue what they are talking about to make total fools of themselves, so lets try to stick with the morality of homosexuality? Not religious views?

um ok. all i have said is that homosexuality is not immoral. other fanatical morons are ones who brought up scripture passages.

[CrimsonArchangel]

the train of thought i have provided has been a lot sounder than the logic that you and halfnhalf have given. lol, halfnhalf actually believes that gays choose to be attracted to the same sex. lmao.


other fanatical morons are ones who brought up scripture passages.

I bow down to you, oh mighty and all-knowing Gerundio. You know much more than all of us mere mortals... I was wrong in ever doubting your omnipotence and omnisapience. Forgive me, oh mighty one. FORGIVE ME!

other fanatical morons are ones who brought up scripture passages.

Are you calling me a fanatical moron? Speak for yourself. You're the one that's being a fanatical moron with the nonsense that you're saying.

Besides. If you want to insult everyone that does not agree with what you're saying, then leave. There are plenty of chat rooms on the net where you will be welcomed. This site is for plain debating, meeting people and making new friends. Not making fools of oneself and everyone else.

[gerundio]

Besides. If you want to insult everyone that does not agree with what you're saying, then leave. There are plenty of chat rooms on the net where you will be welcomed. This site is for plain debating, meeting people and making new friends. Not making fools of oneself and everyone else.

i have been debating.

now as for me being here to make friends... i highly doubt it.

[CrimsonArchangel]

i have been debating.

Yeah, and insulting, and insulting and insulting and insulting some more. you have to learn how to respect others' beliefs and stop being so childlish.

now as for me being here to make friends...  i highly doubt it.

Do you have any to begin with? Here I know you've made plenty of enemies. That's for sure.

[gerundio]

Yeah, and insulting, and insulting and insulting and insulting some more. you have to learn how to respect others' beliefs and stop being so childlish.

hey, i answer in kind. if someone is insulting what i think, they are gonna get it right back.

Do you have any to begin with? Here I know you've made plenty of enemies. That's for sure.

trust me, if i had the need for more friends, i woudn't consider the internet a good place to do it.

and you act like i care if i made "enemies." this is a message board. a virtual place. you think i actually care what people here think about me?

[raw_material]

last time i checked when got created the heavens and the earths....he created men and women.....not men and men...or women and women
w/e ur decision is...the bible says god still loves u! nobody is perfect..1

[gerundio]

last time i checked when got created the heavens and the earths....he created men and women.....not men and men...or women and women

Last time I checked, most people knew the Creation stories were fairy tales.

[PuRrFeCt GhErRl ...]

Okay, I'll tell you what...homosexuals are morally wrong...seriously! Why see two men be together? That is sooo disgusting and it's some bullsh*t!

[raw_material]

Last time I checked, most people knew the Creation stories were fairy tales.

dang! fairy tales lol man pple must be on some hyped stuff 4 that one lol lol