The Good in President Bush, I would like to know... Options

[Alpha240]

Therapeutic cloning isn't illegal, is it? If not, then can't we use that to replicate embryonic cells? 

Therapeutic cloning isn't illegal.... well atleast not yet. It is used to replicate embryonic cells. It's just like regular stem cell research, except that the DNA from the original embryo is taken out and replaced with DNA from another individual to make exact tissue parts or whatever, hence the term cloning.

In my point of view, it's rather surprising for someone as pro-life as Bush to even allow some continuance on stem cell research. I've just learned that there are pro-life advocates who wants Bush to just end it, period... So even though he is in the wrong for hindering scientific research, he's still considering the other side's (pro-choice) perspective.

Basically the reason why he allowed the use of these existing stem cell lines, is because they were already harvested from the embryo. So the embryos were already destroyed, so it's not like he could have "saved" them.


well that's it for me... heading back to school and won't have time for createblog. Hopefully, some of this information helped you understand all this science stuff

Byeeeeeeeee createblog

[sikdragon]

http://www.georgewbush.com/Media/Economy.swf

go here--the economy is doing better, but lets see what you know about the economy.

[angel-roh]

i just know that kerry just wants the money and not reallie wana be a president... his words sounds fake... i dont know y u think bush is a loser but i honestly not think like that...& kerry... he said no more wars, but just bring peace...well u know i wish there was peace in this world, but there will never be because there's ppls killing, kidnapping, fire damaging home, earthquakes, all those disasters... i wish there was peace with no danger... he's no God... seriously Kerry is no God... he thinks he is by saying "i will bring peace to this world" psh that's not a promise u guys... i know u guys want peace, but our purpose was to have a war... it's like fighting our temptations... if u know wat i mean. i bet the iraq wanted to do the war too...
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so if kerry will be the next president... and there will be a war...do u think he will accept the war or just leave it and make it worse by letting his ppls die... like just watching ppls die and he has all the money to himself? i bet he will do a war just like how bush did...

i know it was so wrong of wat bush did in the first place the iraq war, but arent u glad we won? and anyways it was the iraq fault too... i have this feeling that iraq and afghan ppls are up to something... they look they are chained together... and bush is trying to break them into pieces ... arent u scared that someday iraq & afghan will do something bad that they will blow up the UNItED states...would u be glad to see that? i think bush started the war cause he had that mind where he thought that the afghan and the iraq might up to be something...

& i dont like gay marriages... i dont know y u guys like gay marriages so much.. o wait is it cause they love each other that they can do anything they want? hmm how about this there are many teenagers who wants to marry at age 12 or younger... would you accept that? cause they love each other...it's the same thing. it's better for female and male to marry..not male to male & female to female... seriously u guys... i dont want no gay marriages... if the gay marriages says they are gona die cause they wont allow gay marriages well i dont care... they need to learn a lesson not to do that agen then... im not being stricted...it's disgusting. and i dont know why julia says it was disgusting for a girl and a guy to kiss... i think that was reallie weird... seriously i dont want kerry to win...

& u think kerry loves us, well u guys...he doesnt. he has that fake smile everyday. and a fake face.... i just know that bush loves us and reallie wana be a president not cause of free moneys, but just to save our own world...that's wat he want...not like kerry who wants free money and not save the world...
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so yeah i say bush... kerry is a loser, not bush... im sorry for the kerry's fan... but i'll pray that Kerry will lose... i dont hate him cause his not christian, but i hate his speech. HIS SPEECH ARE ALL LIES!

there will always be war and there will always be death... that's our purpose. LIVE WITH IT! if u wana live safe..then be careful, stay healthy, dont drink & smoke, dont go walking late by urself.... if u want PEACE... make it happen by getting rid of bad drugs, bad disease, increasing deaths, STD, HIVS, cancers... get everything out of it... that's wat i call the true meaning OF PEACE! ok?! u guys are weird!! u think kerry will help us get PEACE?! psh yeah right................ im saying it agen he's NO GOD! he's jus a human being like us. u guys act like u guys are worshipping him like worshipping an idol.

there will always be terrorist...and Bush is trying to send states many soldiers & cops just to safe us... he's trying to save us... i just know that u guys will regret for voting john kerry... seriously u will regret it. my honest opinion is that u guys will regret it....

and i know ur loved ones died in the war... well u know wat? they did it cause they loved U.S. and wanted to protect us... so why dont u be happy with that? and live with it? i dont know im being harsh for the ppls who lost their loved ones at the war...but they did it just for their country... so yeah
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& u kno wat? u can tell that kerry wants the free money by trying to make everything better.. wat the fck is cutting the college tuiton?! so everyone could vote for him fast and quick? wow kerry i wonder wat ur gona say next? "poor ppls have better homes" ... argh a loser...big big big loser... and wat's next "let students have their summer vacation last for 6 months"?!?! psh i cant wait to hear his next speech ... psh wow kerry i didnt know u were that bad... gez

[scleex88]

i hate bush, he sucks.
hes nto christian, hes ****

[angel-roh]

i hate bush, he sucks.
hes nto christian, hes ****

can i ask why u hate bush?

[ryfitaDF]

i just know that kerry just wants the money and not reallie wana be a president... his words sounds fake... i dont know y u think bush is a loser but i honestly not think like that...& kerry... he said no more wars, but just bring peace...well u know i wish there was peace in this world, but there will never be because there's ppls killing, kidnapping, fire damaging home, earthquakes, all those disasters... i wish there was peace with no danger... he's no God... seriously Kerry is no God... he thinks he is by saying "i will bring peace to this world" psh that's not a promise u guys... i know u guys want peace, but our purpose was to have a war... it's like fighting our temptations... if u know wat i mean. i bet the iraq wanted to do the war too...
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so if kerry will be the next president... and there will be a war...do u think he will accept the war or just leave it and make it worse by letting his ppls die... like just watching ppls die and he has all the money to himself? i bet he will do a war just like how bush did...

i know it was so wrong of wat bush did in the first place the iraq war, but arent u glad we won? and anyways it was the iraq fault too... i have this feeling that iraq and afghan ppls are up to something... they look they are chained together... and bush is trying to break them into pieces ... arent u scared that someday iraq & afghan will do something bad that they will blow up the UNItED states...would u be glad to see that? i think bush started the war cause he had that mind where he thought that the afghan and the iraq might up to be something...

& i dont like gay marriages... i dont know y u guys like gay marriages so much.. o wait is it cause they love each other that they can do anything they want? hmm how about this there are many teenagers who wants to marry at age 12 or younger... would you accept that? cause they love each other...it's the same thing. it's better for female and male to marry..not male to male & female to female... seriously u guys... i dont want no gay marriages... if the gay marriages says they are gona die cause they wont allow gay marriages well i dont care... they need to learn a lesson not to do that agen then... im not being stricted...it's disgusting. and i dont know why julia says it was disgusting for a girl and a guy to kiss... i think that was reallie weird... seriously i dont want kerry to win...

& u think kerry loves us, well u guys...he doesnt. he has that fake smile everyday. and a fake face.... i just know that bush loves us and reallie wana be a president not cause of free moneys, but just to save our own world...that's wat he want...not like kerry who wants free money and not save the world...
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so yeah i say bush... kerry is a loser, not bush... im sorry for the kerry's fan... but i'll pray that Kerry will lose... i dont hate him cause his not christian, but i hate his speech. HIS SPEECH ARE ALL LIES!

there will always be war and there will always be death... that's our purpose. LIVE WITH IT! if u wana live safe..then be careful, stay healthy, dont drink & smoke, dont go walking late by urself.... if u want PEACE... make it happen by getting rid of bad drugs, bad disease, increasing deaths, STD, HIVS, cancers... get everything out of it... that's wat i call the true meaning OF PEACE! ok?! u guys are weird!! u think kerry will help us get PEACE?! psh yeah right................ im saying it agen he's NO GOD! he's jus a human being like us. u guys act like u guys are worshipping him like worshipping an idol.

there will always be terrorist...and Bush is trying to send states many soldiers & cops just to safe us... he's trying to save us... i just know that u guys will regret for voting john kerry... seriously u will regret it. my honest opinion is that u guys will regret it....

and i know ur loved ones died in the war... well u know wat? they did it cause they loved U.S. and wanted to protect us... so why dont u be happy with that? and live with it? i dont know im being harsh for the ppls who lost their loved ones at the war...but they did it just for their country... so yeah
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& u kno wat? u can tell that kerry wants the free money by trying to make everything better.. wat the fck is cutting the college tuiton?! so everyone could vote for him fast and quick? wow kerry i wonder wat ur gona say next? "poor ppls have better homes" ... argh a loser...big big big loser... and wat's next "let students have their summer vacation last for 6 months"?!?! psh i cant wait to hear his next speech ... psh wow kerry i didnt know u were that bad... gez

Kerry is rich already. he doesn't need more money. and, unlike bush, he actually knows what it's like to be in the army and serve. how are you promoting bush by saying "kerry lies"? bush blatantly lied to us atleast twice that i can remember, being saving money for socail security and telling us iraq has WMDs.

if iraq and afgahnistan are plotting against us and we want peace we should'nt give them more reasons to kill us by, say, going to war with them. they're so angry with us because we're such nebs. and they weren't up to anything. the UN found no WMDs and neather did we.

i've never met anyone who wanted to get married when they were 12. and who's martyring themselves for gay marrage? this country is about equality for everyone, meaning gay, straight, or otherwise. bush is just being a super god lover, ignoring the seperation of church and state, and letting god run the country.

bush needs the money more, anyway. without it he'd just have to keep mooching off mom and dad. you think bush doesn't wear plastic smiles? and he loves us. that's why he killed our big brothers and sisters for a reason yet to be proven. he's really making the world a bad place to live.

you forgot to mension how bush isn't god eather. we're not worshiping kerry, eather. we just like him cause he's not bush. i don't know how many times people have refered to him as "the lesser of 2 evils".

and our loved ones didn't die for freedom. they died for a non-existant threat, for building a huge reason for more terrorism then calling it a democracy when it's really an empire, and so we can save a few cents per gallon on gas.

[Angelos]

aint no good and bush all though technically Cheney is the real president and Bush is just the puppet on the string

[*kryogenix*]

aint no good and bush all though technically Cheney is the real president and Bush is just the puppet on the string

have you any facts to support this claim?

[Suesterrx]

theres one good thing in bush. and that hes a majorly strong christain

but the other things about him is pure sin.. and evil.. its not like he bombed them and all the sudden it was raining stuffed animals,food,shelter and bottles of clean water. he bombed them and made it worse for the ppl..

i think he shud be hanged.. and the world will be happy happy joy joy

[*Kathleen*]

You mean worse as in no more people are being tortured for nothing? Do you watch the olympics? Sports? The Iraqi athletes were beaten all the time from Saddam's kids. I bet if you were to ask them what good there is in Bush, you might be a little more open-minded.

[ComradeRed]

So... The thousand American soldiers nad $200 billion was worth it... to get Iraq a better soccer team?

[*kryogenix*]

theres one good thing in bush. and that hes a majorly strong christain

but the other things about him is pure sin.. and evil.. its not like he bombed them and all the sudden it was raining stuffed animals,food,shelter and bottles of clean water. he bombed them and made it worse for the ppl..

i think he shud be hanged..    and the world will be happy happy joy joy

What are you talking about? This man did not commit any evil. The majority of Iraq likes the change. It's just the Sunni Triangle that are still loyal to Saddam.

  So... The thousand American soldiers nad $200 billion was worth it... to get Iraq a better soccer team?

And the removal of an evil dictator.

[ComradeRed]

We could remove all the evil dictators in the world, but as long as they aren't at war with us, it wouldn't be worth the cost of a single US Dollar. You see, the Congress represents the AMERICAN people -- not the Iraqi. It is morally wrong for it to force us to pay for things in other countries. Evil or not, Bush was derelict in his duties towards Americans -- instead focusing on other countries. This makes him unworthy to lead as commander-in-chief.

We bribed most of the members of our coalition with "no-bid" contracts in Iraq... In fact, the only three members of the coalition that we DID NOT bribe thusly were ourselves, the Netherlands, and Albania. Most of the governments that sent troops into Iraq are now unstable. Every democratic government that has sent troops into Iraq, except for ourselves and the United Kingdom, was soundly defeated in their next general election.

Not surprsingly, most of the new governments that then came into power have been radical left-wing parties that formerly COULD NOT HAVE HAD ANY POLITICAL POWER -- thus, even if you can claim that we did free Iraq from a dictator, we have arguably installed dozens of new socialists dictators-lite in many countries in the world from Japan to Spain. Even in our own country, Kerry will almost definitely win the next election due to the War on Iraq -- signaling an even more unpredictable turn in American politics. Seeing as the Republicans and the Republicans alone will be blamed for the war (which is now opposed by a majority of Americans), it is highly likely that the Democrats will remain in power for many election cycles -- leading to bigger government here. The new breed of democrat will also be "tough" democrats like Hillary Clinton who have no problem with trampelling on our Constitutional and human rights. In due time, America will turn into the regime we destroyed in Iraq.

You know, the Neoconservative movement was started by liberal Jewish socialists, who believed in the ideas of Leon Trotsky (worldwide revolution). Even though modern neo-conservatives are rarely socialist, they are playing right into the socialist agenda. Trotsky must be laughing in his grave.

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. [There is an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and...degeneracy of manners and of morals...No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
--James Madison, father of the Constitution and Bill of Rights

The Truth Behind Iraq, by the American Conservative Magazine

[gigiopolis]

Tell me what Kerry could've done diffently for 9/11 while remembering that Kerry supported the war.

No offense, but if Kerry were elected president 4 years ago 9/11 wouldn't have happened at all, let alone him having to do something about it.

And those reasons about Bush being Christian...so? Just because he's a "strong" believer of Christianity doesn't mean he does the right thing. I'd rather have a president who believes in no religion and does a good job ruling the country than have one who's Christian and screws the whole country up (and foreign countries also). The truth is, Bush did a horrible job of ruling this country and you know it. What with the unnecessary war and the unnecessary capture of Saddam Hussein and just the pure stupidity of the guy.

[Spirited Away]

No offense, but if Kerry were elected president 4 years ago 9/11 wouldn't have happened at all, let alone him having to do something about it.

Hmm, no offense taken, but why do you say that? Do you think that the reason why they hijacked our planes to fly 'em and killed people just because they hate Bush?

[gigiopolis]

Hmm, no offense taken, but why do you say that? Do you think that the reason why they hijacked our planes to fly 'em and killed people just because they hate Bush?

Sorry...perhaps I should have reworded my opinion. Plus, I don't discuss politics much so excuse my poor arguments.

Of course they never hijacked the plane because they hated Bush. I should have said that 9/11 would have happened, but maybe not in that big or extreme a way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering how powerful the US is, how hard would it be to stop another attack on the World Trade Centre? Don't you think that Bush could have done some more to protect America? Don't you think if he did a better job, the number of people who perished could be reduced?

And please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I don't know enough about it after all.

[Spirited Away]

Sorry...perhaps I should have reworded my opinion. Plus, I don't discuss politics much so excuse my poor arguments.

Ah, I don't attend to politics anymore after reading ComradeRed's comments... He blew me off stage.

Of course they never hijacked the plane because they hated Bush. I should have said that 9/11 would have happened, but maybe not in that big or extreme a way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering how powerful the US is, how hard would it be to stop another attack on the World Trade Centre? Don't you think that Bush could have done some more to protect America? Don't you think if he did a better job, the number of people who perished could be reduced?

No, I don't think that Bush could've done anything seeing how we couldn't have predicted another episode of Pearl Harbor (well, not that I know of). The problem is that our Intelligence agency isn't as up-to-date and (I'm sorry to say) not as dependable like we thought.

Sure, I think that Bush could've done a better job, but then I'd expect ANY President to do a better job if they were in his seats, perhaps I'd even wish that they would never have let it happened in the first place.

Unless there's a conspiracy that I haven't heard of in the news that Bush caused 9/11 or is the reason that so many died in vain, then no, I do not think that we should blame him for the whole event.

And please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I don't know enough about it after all.

I don't know much about it either. I'm just guessing.

[jo3]

[quote=sweetx305](from comradRed) and those tax cuts were for rich people, who were mostly republican and supporters of Bush.

7. Bush's tax cuts were for the rich, making the rich richer and poor poorer. i don't see any good in that. Bush is making his supporters happy and that's it.[/quote]
that's the most uneducated thing i've ever heard. why would tax cuts benefit the rich people? because they pay the most taxes. if you paid millions of dollars for taxes, and someone else paid a few thousand, you would expect to get more tax cuts than those who paid less. if not, then you're stupid.

[quote]2. "Flipping off the UN" shows that Bush could not justify his reasons for war. The UN is an international policing group, in order to keep things right. But isnce we are america we can cause all the chaos and terrotr we want. I mean, if Germany decided to invade a country against everyone's wishes, do you think people would stand for that? i highly doubt it.[/quote]
Look at what the League of Nations (pretty much the UN of the 1920s) did to us. the only reason they didn't accept anything we proposed was because the ones with the power in the League didn't like what we had to offer. they didn't care about their safety...they had their own personal agenda.

thats true with what happened in recent years. France was Iraq's trading partner, and if the US attacked, then it would hurt France's economy. i doubt world safety was #1 on France's list.

[quote=sweetx305]3. What could have Hussin done when Bush asked for WMD, since apparnetly Iraq didn't have any? I would have been pissed if i was Saddam. I mean, the US was asking him for something he apparantly doesn't have, yet we own the most WMD in the world. just a lil hypocritical.[/quote]
and if i was the United States, i wouldn't believe a single thing Saddam said. he killed millions of people and brought fear to millions more. if your enemy, someone who promoted the very things that you were against, said that they were innocent, would you really believe it?

[quote=sweetx305]4. The economy is not doing well at all. Our unemployment rate is at an all time high, and our national debt is at an all time high.[/quote]
education is not doing well at all. our stupiditiy is at an all time high....please get your facts straight. bush has done nothing but help the economy. yes, it was declining, but guess what? we were in a recession, and recessions are inevitable. have you heard of the business cycle? if not, then take an economics course.

in order to get out of a recession, you have to spend lots and lots of money. doing so stimulates business, and businesses can hire more people, so those people get money and can buy stuff. that's why the government is spending billions of dollars, and that's why we're deficit spending


[quote=sweetx305]I can't say what Kerry has done because he did not have 4 years to prove himself, like Bush. Both Kerry and Bush can promise what they want, but like I said actions speak louder than words. Knowing that Bush did not fulfill most of his promises, atleast I can see that he is not a man to trust. One thing I do like about Kerry is his promise to lower educational fees, such as college tuition. Also, he is one to further the advancement of science and technology, unlike Bush who is hindering stem cell research which is imperative to many medical advances. ( this hits me close to home, being a biology major and knowing the importance of stem cell research and science and technology as a whole).[/quote]
so you'd rather bring in kerry, who hasn't been in this whole situation and would have no clue what to do, then have bush clean up everything that he's done in the past 4 years?

not only that, stem cell research is a moral issue. bush doesn't believe in killing babies (yes...they're not "born" but they're turning into babies)

about lowering college tuition...how would he do that? put more money into education? where would he take money out of? maybe the stem cell research that you want so badly. or maybe from the military, since he wants to arm the US Armed Forces with spitballs...

[quote=ComradeRed]After Bush gets out of the White House, we should pass a Balanced Budget Amendment requiring the budget be balanced by cutting spending and not raising taxes. [/quote]
and we should also pass a Never-Go-Through-A-Recession Amendment requiring the US to always be in an expansion and never a contraction. but guess what, it will never happen. like i said earlier, spending is what stimulates the economy, and that's exactly what Bush is trying to do.

[quote=ComradeRed]We'd also end the War on Poverty. Instead of $400 billion we spend each year, we'll just give every poor adult $20,000, enough to make them not poor any more[/quote]
and within a year, they'll be poor again. look at lottery winners. do they keep the millions of dollars that they win? do they invest it? most of the time, 99% of the time, no. actually, they end up in a worse position than before. not to mention that probably 25% of the people will buy drugs and alcohol with the $20,000 that they'll receive. the government, however, can spend it on relevant things.

[quote=ComradeRed]Sure, the one downside is we'd never be able to conduct foreign policy ever again, but foreigners are overrated. In fact, preventing the government from doing foreign policy is acutally a good thing [/quote]
and we can turn into Communist China and Russia and not allow any foreigners in. The reason China was doing so terrible was because they isolated themselves and therefore could not:

1) learn from other countries
2) trade

the reason the US and other open countries did so well was because they:

1) learned from other countries
2) traded with other countries

[quote=ryfitaDF]but what do we need weapons for? looking cool? or overthrowing saddam? we'll probably be spending a few more billions on the war on terror, aswell, what with osama and al-quida still on the loose. [/quote]
then i have a good idea. the US should get rid of all guns in the country. why would we need them anyways? looking cool? or protecting ourselves. that's why the military has weapons.

it's ridiculous how you say that. i wanna see you fight overseas and ask the US to stop spending money on weapons.

[quote=ComradeRed]Weapons are good for defending yourself ... but $500 billion worth is going a little overboard.[/quote]
maybe you're right...but it's not like the weapons we make and use cost only a few dollars.

[quote=sweetx305]Bush is in the "wrong" because he is only allowing research on 60 stem cell lines, and THAT'S IT. Once those are used up, there would be no more research on embryonic stem cells. He also cut funding for embryonic stem cell research, but increased funding for research of stem cells taken from an adult, umbilical cords, placenta, and animals. Atleast he increased funding for that, but it's the embryonic stem cells that are most promising to finding breakthrough therapies and cures to many disease.[/quote]
omg...quit bitchin. bush is against abortion, and he does not want stem cell research, but he tried finding a median to please both sides. but being the selfish person you are, you want Bush to allow research on all stem cell lines. think about the millions of other people who are against it, and then put yourself in Bush's shoes. then, tell me what you would have done

[quote=ryfitaDF]Kerry is rich already. he doesn't need more money. and, unlike bush, he actually knows what it's like to be in the army and serve.[/quote]
if Kerry knows what it's like to be in the army and serve, then why is he trying to reduce the weapons that the military has? any soldier would want weapons to use, because if you don't have them, then you're dead

[quote=ryfitaDF]if iraq and afgahnistan are plotting against us and we want peace we should'nt give them more reasons to kill us by, say, going to war with them.[/quote]
lets say there was a bee hive right outside your home. you don't wanna get stung, but you have a chance of getting stung, even if you try to stay away from it. so do you kill the hive or do you let it stay there and grow bigger and bigger?

[quote=ComradeRed]This makes him (Bush) unworthy to lead as commander-in-chief.[/quote]
and Kerry wants the US Armed Forces to have less weapons. that's like giving your football team no pads or helmets. this makes Kerry unworthy to lead as COMMANDER in chief of the Armed Forces.

[quote=barelyy_coherent]No offense, but if Kerry were elected president 4 years ago 9/11 wouldn't have happened at all, let alone him having to do something about it. [/quote]
there's no way to prove that

[quote=barelyy_coherent]Of course they never hijacked the plane because they hated Bush. I should have said that 9/11 would have happened, but maybe not in that big or extreme a way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering how powerful the US is, how hard would it be to stop another attack on the World Trade Centre? Don't you think that Bush could have done some more to protect America? Don't you think if he did a better job, the number of people who perished could be reduced?[/quote]
when's the last time that the US had been attacked (before 9/11)? i'm pretty sure a long time ago. there had not been something of this caliber since 12/7 (pearl harbor). we weren't expecting it.

[quote=uninspiredfae]No, I don't think that Bush could've done anything seeing how we couldn't have predicted another episode of Pearl Harbor (well, not that I know of). The problem is that our Intelligence agency isn't as up-to-date and (I'm sorry to say) not as dependable like we thought. [/quote]
i pretty much restated what you said, but i have something to add

our intelligence agency is pretty up to date and reliable. think about how much more we'd go through had we not have an excellent intelligence agency. of course this is all just speculation because i can't prove it, but i think we'd be in even deeper sh!t if we didn't have get good intel.

you may ask, so why did 9/11 happen? no one's perfect. we can't play God. we're not omniscient


woowow that was a LONG post...i wonder if anyone will read it haha

push Ctrl + F and type in your username, so you can see made a rebuttal to any of your statements

[*CrackedRearView*]

our intelligence agency is pretty up to date and reliable. think about how much more we'd go through had we not have an excellent intelligence agency. of course this is all just speculation because i can't prove it, but i think we'd be in even deeper sh!t if we didn't have get good intel.

ROFL! Most of it's so good that it ventures into the corrupt category.

[ryfitaDF]

then i have a good idea. the US should get rid of all guns in the country. why would we need them anyways? looking cool? or protecting ourselves. that's why the military has weapons.

it's ridiculous how you say that. i wanna see you fight overseas and ask the US to stop spending money on weapons.

i understand that weapons protect us, but this is no excuse to be trigger happy. what if we didn't have weapons when 9/11 happend? we would have to negotiate an agreement of some sort. but, since we do have weapons, we feel we can just go bomb the crap out of them.

if Kerry knows what it's like to be in the army and serve, then why is he trying to reduce the weapons that the military has? any soldier would want weapons to use, because if you don't have them, then you're dead

if he kows what it's like (how awful it is) he'll try to prevent anything like it happening again. weapons only cause fighting and fighting only causes more fighting and i know i'm not a fan of fighting.

lets say there was a bee hive right outside your home. you don't wanna get stung, but you have a chance of getting stung, even if you try to stay away from it. so do you kill the hive or do you let it stay there and grow bigger and bigger?

muslims, much like bees, don't sting without a reason. if you get rid of the reason, you get rid of the risk.

[gigiopolis]

I don't know much about it either. I'm just guessing.

Ahaha nah...your opinions are pretty logical and well supported =)

[ComradeRed]

if he kows what it's like (how awful it is) he'll try to prevent anything like it happening again. weapons only cause fighting and fighting only causes more fighting and i know i'm not a fan of fighting.

Kerry wants to increase the size of the army by 40,000 -- and you know what that means: A draft. I'd rather have a few well-armed professionals in Iraq, than a horde of conscripted militiamen. Our soldiers should have the best weapons possible -- because the more WEAPONS we have, the less SOLDIERS we need -- which cuts DOWN on costs, leads to FEWER deaths, and preempts a draft, which is the worst thing that could happen due to Iraq.

[ryfitaDF]

Kerry wants to increase the size of the army by 40,000 -- and you know what that means: A draft. I'd rather have a few well-armed professionals in Iraq, than a horde of conscripted militiamen. Our soldiers should have the best weapons possible -- because the more WEAPONS we have, the less SOLDIERS we need -- which cuts DOWN on costs, leads to FEWER deaths, and preempts a draft, which is the worst thing that could happen due to Iraq.

damnit. that's lame. looks like i'm headed to canada eather way . are you sure we're really that screwed?

[ComradeRed]

Bush and his entire entourage is anti-draft...

A draft is unlikely because of demographics though. As more and more American families only have one kid, at most two, every soldier becomes a Private Ryan, which would cause much more opposition to the draft this time around.

Furthermore, a draft decreases the size of the workforce. That means less people available to work for overbloated social security programs. Which means that, if a draft of all people 18-26 occurs, as is proposed, that means that most people would not start working until they are 30 instead of 22 -- add to that all the old people in teh country (only 1.5 workers per retiree soon), and add to that the fact that you need to pay all those new soldiers (The Department of Defense spends more on pay than all other expenses combined. In fact, for every dollar the DoD spends on aircraft, missiles, and ships, it spends $3 paying pensions to retired soldiers). This would result in MASSIVELY increased government spending, coupled with DECREASED economic output -- necessitating massive tax hikes, which would cause the economy to collapse, bringing the government down with it.

[jo3]

kinda random, but sorry comradered....zell miller's gonna be president in 2008