male pregnancy, immoral? Options

[*Kathleen*]

like someone already mentioned, they would do a c-section

Right, and I believe someone said they were for it because men would be able to feel what it's like to give birth, but...they wouldn't even go through normal birth and labor and all that.

[causticxdreams]

First of all, male pregnancy is junk science. Men do not have the biological machinery to maintain pregnancy, nor the immune mechanisms to defend the fetus. You would not only need gene splicing, but also very extensive surgery as well as technology that we dont have.

I so agree with that. Its basically impossible..but i mean really who'd wanna be walking down the street and seeing a pregnant man it'd just be plain scaryyy!

[F1R3B4T]

i think its immoral in almost all the religions....

[Mireh]

Woah. Are you serious?

This is quite shocking. I never would have dreamed that we would get so advanced

[ryfitaDF]

ok i take back what i said about the ahmish. the main part of me posting is that all these "morals" are just holding humanity back from it's full potential. morals can be wrong, therefore somthing immoral can be right.

[*Kathleen*]

But aren't morals supposed to lead us on the right path? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what they're for, right? Why would we follow immoral things?

mor·al    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (môrl, mr-)
adj.
Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character:

[me_myself_andi20...]

i don't think it is wrong for guys to be pregnant... i mean it's what they want to do... everyone has their own morals..... and if guys could get pregnant... it would be so totally awesome... we would see guys with big tummies....

[aznriceboi]

i don't know, it could be a good thing or a bad thing because what if a child grows up to know that he was born from his dad instead of his mother. he'll feel like an outsider and an outcast from the rest of the world. on the other hand, people already pointed this out that if my mom couldn't have babies and the couple really wanted to then the dad would have to be the recipent. so yea it could go basically either way

[Mini]

But aren't morals supposed to lead us on the right path? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what they're for, right? Why would we follow immoral things?

How would someone know what's immoral? As I said many times, there is no such thing as morally wrong or morally right. People are raised with different morals. It is THEIR judgement of whether it [something] is good or bad, not your's or anyone elses'. For example, if a child was raised up that stealing is right because it [stealing] is the only way he can survive, then even though "morally" alot of people would think it is wrong, but to him it is "morally" right because he was raised up that way.

[*Kathleen*]

How would someone know what's immoral? As I said many times, there is no such thing as morally wrong or morally right. People are raised with different morals. It is THEIR judgement of whether it [something] is good or bad, not your's or anyone elses'. For example, if a child was raised up that stealing is right because it [stealing] is the only way he can survive, then even though "morally" alot of people would think it is wrong, but to him it is "morally" right because he was raised up that way.

Yes, but the majority of main morals go along the same lines.

[Mini]

Yes, but the majority of main morals go along the same lines.

Morals change over time also.

Statement                    "Yes" in 1965  "Yes" in 1990
Financial success is very important to me.  25% 75%
A meaningful philosophy of life is important. 75%  25%
I cheat on tests.                                    20%    37%
I'd lie about possible exposure to AIDS  ---      45%

A nation-wide survey by Ralph Wexler of the Institute of Ethics indicates that 1/3 of high schoolers and 1/6 of college students admit stealing something in the last year. Over 1/3 said they would lie on their resume to get a job. Over 1/2 of college students admit cheating in some way, over 60% say they would cheat on an important test. Other surveys show that 8 out of 10 high school students admit cheating. Likewise, 1/4 Americans think it is okay to cheat on their auto insurance, 30%-50% think goofing off at work is okay, 1 in 6 use drugs on the job, and 1/3 to 1/2 cheat on their spouses. Almost 60% of American adults have used force against another person; 7% say they would kill someone if paid enough; 25% would abandon their families for money (Etzioni, 1993). Furthermore, Wexler says only 2% of students get caught cheating because teachers don't watch carefully; therefore, maybe crime does pay and maybe honesty is, in some ways, not always the best policy from a selfish point of view. What about from society's point of view?

[ComradeRed]

Don't believe anthing Atmai Etzioni writes. He's a modern day Nazi and his polls are not statistically reliable. Look him up if you want. He supports killing the Palestinians. I still agree that ethics have declined a LOT since 1960, but not nearly to the proportions aspoused by Etzioni.

[sikdragon]

i believe the slaughter of the palestinians and all who oppose israel would be the right thing to do. But the israelis chose not to and were tricked into treaties and were satisfied with their land. so lucky for you my God is saving his wrath for the coming war.

BTW he can be yours too! just ask him into your life and love him like he does you.

[*Kathleen*]

Morals change over time also.


QUOTE 
Statement                    "Yes" in 1965  "Yes" in 1990
Financial success is very important to me.  25% 75%
A meaningful philosophy of life is important. 75%  25%
I cheat on tests.                                    20%    37%
I'd lie about possible exposure to AIDS  ---      45%

A nation-wide survey by Ralph Wexler of the Institute of Ethics indicates that 1/3 of high schoolers and 1/6 of college students admit stealing something in the last year. Over 1/3 said they would lie on their resume to get a job. Over 1/2 of college students admit cheating in some way, over 60% say they would cheat on an important test. Other surveys show that 8 out of 10 high school students admit cheating. Likewise, 1/4 Americans think it is okay to cheat on their auto insurance, 30%-50% think goofing off at work is okay, 1 in 6 use drugs on the job, and 1/3 to 1/2 cheat on their spouses. Almost 60% of American adults have used force against another person; 7% say they would kill someone if paid enough; 25% would abandon their families for money (Etzioni, 1993). Furthermore, Wexler says only 2% of students get caught cheating because teachers don't watch carefully; therefore, maybe crime does pay and maybe honesty is, in some ways, not always the best policy from a selfish point of view. What about from society's point of view? 

But still, that doesn't change the fact that morals don't exist nor are they the same. We still tell our kids not to steal. It's now just a matter of trust. You see? I mean, there are still plenty of morals that stay the same...don't cheat, don't kill, etc.

[ComradeRed]

i believe the slaughter of the palestinians and all who oppose israel would be the right thing to do. But the israelis chose not to and were tricked into treaties and were satisfied with their land. so lucky for you my God is saving his wrath for the coming war.

BTW he can be yours too! just ask him into your life and love him like he does you.

Riiiiiiiight...

So your God, who specifically says to Not kill, and to Turn the other cheek, is advocating killing people who oppose him?

You know who you sound like. You sound like our good buddy Osama.

[sweetdreamsx3]

excuse me.
getting kicked in the balls hurts SO FRIGGN MUCH. i've xperienced it b4, NOT a good feeling. thers this pain in the stomach that dwells for a few days.

Um no. What about pregnancy for 9 months? Have you ever thought of that? You get kicked in the balls and it lasts for a FEW days. Quit complaining.

And no, some of the men are for it. Have you bothered to go to that website that's posted? Some men are looking forward to it.

[Guarneri]

that'd be hella cool. .... one couple can have two babies at the same time. hahaha imagining this is pretty funny..

[*Kathleen*]

Um no. What about pregnancy for 9 months? Have you ever thought of that? You get kicked in the balls and it lasts for a FEW days. Quit complaining.

And no, some of the men are for it. Have you bothered to go to that website that's posted? Some men are looking forward to it.

Um...I believe I posted before, saying that they wouldn't experience a normal birth. They'd get a c-section...so...they're still not going to feel as much pain as women truly do.

[CrimsonArchangel]

i believe the slaughter of the palestinians and all who oppose israel would be the right thing to do. But the israelis chose not to and were tricked into treaties and were satisfied with their land. so lucky for you my God is saving his wrath for the coming war.

BTW he can be yours too! just ask him into your life and love him like he does you.

WOW! Where did *that* come from? That is a very rude and racist thing to say...


Back to the topic. Putting aside morals, male pregnancy is impossible in all logical sense people! Its unnatural and unnecessary. And don't bring gay couples into this. Even that is unnatural.
Even if there is the unlikely thing that this happens (which would defy nature in all its sense), the man would have to get a C-section because I don't think a baby is going to be coming out through the guy's anus or penis. Come on people. C-sections even in women are not natural (obviously). They cause trauma to the body and after a couple, women can't have any more kids because their bodies are too beat up after carrying the kid and then having to be cut open. I know this because my mom had me and my two sisters through C-sections and if she ever gets pregnant (doubt it, but still) again, either she or the kid will die.

Guys, like I said before, even a basic Bio student can tell you that the male body and immune systems are *NOT* in any way suited to carry a child, nor will they *EVER* be.

[sweetdreamsx3]

Um...I believe I posted before, saying that they wouldn't experience a normal birth. They'd get a c-section...so...they're still not going to feel as much pain as women truly do.

Ummm...okay. I'm just saying that the guy shouldn't complain so much about getting kicked in the balls.

[inlonelinessidie]

Ummm...okay. I'm just saying that the guy shouldn't complain so much about getting kicked in the balls.

Why shouldn't they? I would think it's a very painful thing that we could never comprehend. So you should quit complaining because I don't believe you've gone through labour yet, and can't exactly speak from experience as they can. Also not all women experience the same pain. My neighbour had mild contractions that felt like a slight stomach ache and boom she had a kid with no pain . . . should we hate on her too?

[*[2]Nekked*]

yknow what im about to get someone to close this topic because you people cant seem to get over the fact that its fake. what this thread was meant to be about was

IF MALE PREGNANCY COULD BE ESTABLISHED, WITHOUT ANY DEFORMATIES TO THE CHILD, WOULD YOU BE FOR OR AGAINST IT AND WHY?

GAH.

[ComradeRed]

I would ... not care. The official stance of the APAC (Apathy Party of Allegheny County) with regards to male pregnancy: We don't care.

[mzteriouzme007]

i agree wiff:: masu_misairu yeah... i'mma christian tooh, and i dotn' think that it's right... kuz... GOD made u like that, so u should stay like that... maybe teh world really IS ending!! and i agree wiff that other gurrl who said somethingliek... if all guyz could have babies, then what's so special about gurls? soon they're gonna have guys who are gonna have monthly 'friends'
plus... are guyz gonna suddenly liek.. develop a vagina?

[mzteriouzme007]

QUOTE (ComradeRed @ Aug 14 2004, 10:37 PM)
First of all, male pregnancy is junk science. Men do not have the biological machinery to maintain pregnancy, nor the immune mechanisms to defend the fetus. You would not only need gene splicing, but also very extensive surgery as well as technology that we dont have.


agreed...