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sikdragon
post Aug 18 2004, 11:18 AM
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In some entries it looks like i am threatening people with hell. I am not i am just stating facts out of my book. If i didnt care i just wouldnt say anything at all. It really hurts me to see so many rejection God so fully when he loves you so much.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:20 AM
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It does seem like you're trying to scare me into believing into God. The more you talk about God, the more I start not liking the idea of there being a God. And how you talk about him makes him seem like he's trying to make people fear him, and therefore obey.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:22 AM
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If He loves us so much, why is He condemning us? If He gave us the power of free-will, why take that gift back? It's like me giving my brother a choice of two gifts, but my brother can only choose the one in my right.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:23 AM
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god doesnt want u 2 feer him ...god is a god of love....if right now u say i dont believe in this god ....u kno wat he thinks...he still loves no matter wat u say or wat u do...he still loves u...he sent his own son 2 die 4 us in the cross so we can b cleaned of our sins....im sure if u ask god 2 show u away if he is true or not he will answer u...
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:25 AM
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Yeah, that's a really good point.

But it's like.. God is testing your faith. Like, let's say everyone's telling you to pick the present on your right because it has candy. But the present on your left is coal. Except you can't trust the people who are telling you to choose that present. God is trusting you to pick the right present.

Funny that I'm explaining this, because I'm mostly an Athiest.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:27 AM
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God is a good God he is just meaning he is a God of justice. as much as he loves you, if you choose evil he must condem you to hell. he didnt take it back, you can choose to do what you want you choose what you want, paradise or the lake of fire.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:28 AM
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but ur starting to understand.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 11:27 AM)
God is a good God he is just meaning he is a God of justice. as much as he loves you, if you choose evil he must condem you to hell. he didnt take it back, you can choose to do what you want you choose what you want, paradise or the lake of fire.

As I said, how do you know which to choose? Only faith helps us. It's like He is condemning the people that were raised up with different religions. And you know how hard it is to change one's beliefs and opinions.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:32 AM
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he isnt he loves everyone. do you think he doesnt take that into consideration at judgement?
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:30 AM)
As I said, how do you know which to choose? Only faith helps us. It's like He is condemning the people that were raised up with different religions. And you know how hard it is to change one's beliefs and opinions.



yea its hard 2 change religions like seriously hard....but thats our mission on earth...2 turn non believers into believers...no matter if it kills us...god wants us 2 make every1 go 2 heaven....it wont happen....dont u think if god wasnt a free will god then he would slap u everytime u sin....thats why the devil is around....he wants us 2 sin bcuz he hates god
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 11:32 AM)
he isnt he loves everyone. do you think he doesnt take that into consideration at judgement?

But didn't the Bible state that who doesn't believe in God and Jesus are going to Hell? So say if I was raised to believe in God, Buddha (prophet), and Jesus, wouldn't I go to Hell because I believe in Buddha as a prophet and I believe in the teachings of Buddha?

That's what I am asking. Also, what if a person was raised up to believe in the Hindu teachings? They don't believe in God, thus would they go to Hell because they were raised up that way?

Does that Bible say that there are exceptions? Also, what if there is another religion that also says if you don't believe in their God(s) or some other universal being, that you would go to Hell. How do you choose from that? Too bad God can turn himself into a physical being and fly around and tell people to believe.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:41 AM
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You can't, you should be able to know inwardly what you truly believe in.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:38 AM)
But didn't the Bible state that who doesn't believe in God and Jesus are going to Hell? So say if I was raised to believe in God, Buddha (prophet), and Jesus, wouldn't I go to Hell because I believe in Buddha as a prophet and I believe in the teachings of Buddha?

That's what I am asking. Also, what if a person was raised up to believe in the Hindu teachings? They don't believe in God, thus would they go to Hell because they were raised up that way?

Does that Bible say that there are exceptions? Also, what if there is another religion that also says if you don't believe in their God(s) or some other universal being, that you would go to Hell. How do you choose from that?


yea but every other religion doesnt have the bible...we do not them.....god says every1 will hear the gospell atleas once or hear about god.....but thats our fault(christians) that if we dont give the word out those pple will go 2 hell bcuz of us.....when we are at school with our friends that dont believe in god its our job 2 let them kno about god and his gift...sometimes we are to ashame 2 talk about god cuz they will make fun of us....but if we dont tell them about his gift...then who will we dont kno if some1 else will tell them...then its our fault that they have 2 suffer bcuz we were 2 scared 2 talk to them about him
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 18 2004, 11:41 AM)
yea but every other religion doesnt have the bible...we do not them.....god says every1 will hear the gospell atleas once or hear about god.....but thats our fault(christians) that if we dont give the word out those pple will go 2 hell bcuz of us.....when we are at school with our friends that dont believe in god its our job 2 let them kno about god and his gift...sometimes we are to ashame 2 talk about god cuz they will make fun of us....but if we dont tell them about his gift...then who will we dont kno if some1 else will tell them...then its our fault that they have 2 suffer bcuz we were 2 scared 2 talk to them about him

So you are saying God has already condemned us. Our gift is also our curse. Basically if either you don't know about God or unsure of God, we are forever damned. God should give us a better chance. _dry.gif I don't trust God's followers.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:51 AM
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But that's incredibly unfair. If you don't know about God, you go to Hell anyway, just because? Isn't God a little bit wiser than that?
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 11:51 AM)
But that's incredibly unfair. If you don't know about God, you go to Hell anyway, just because? Isn't God a little bit wiser than that?

What is even worse is that you also have to acknowledge God's gift, Jesus Christ, for dying on the cross and saved us. I feel bad for everyone who doesn't have the internet to learn about this because God's followers didn't do their job.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:48 AM)
So you are saying God has already condemned us. Our gift is also our curse. Basically if either you don't know about God or unsure of God, we are forever damned. God should give us a better chance. _dry.gif I don't trust God's followers.


his gift is not a curse....either u take the gift...or u dont

u believe wat u belive...but i garantee u theres thing in life u belive bcuz word of mouth...if the radio say we are having a sale everything is 50 percent off..u go 2 the store just cuz u heared it was 50 percent off...this is the bottom line clearly got had 2 had told us something or we are entittled to our own opinions ..i believe that if hes gonna hold humans responsible ..and hes an intellectual god hes not gonna b sapping us 4 every little bad thing we do...god has either communicated wat he expects and communicated these answers 2 the questions we are talking about..and its not one of those things that "nobody knows" somebody does kno all does who agree that god has spoken then we have find out where has he spoken then we have to trust or reject taht he is the final word on issues and the key is that we dont recycle because god has already said u die once and ur judged and the answer to that is "nobody knows" the answer is do u believe that god has said that and we just gotta understand god has cleared all of this up none of this matters wat matter is that when u are ready 2 die are u willing 2 risk ur eternaty on "nobody knows"...wat are u gonna believe on the hope or no we are not gonna b accountable bcuz "nobody really knew"
 
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QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 11:51 AM)
But that's incredibly unfair. If you don't know about God, you go to Hell anyway, just because? Isn't God a little bit wiser than that?



the god says ...every1 will heare the gospell(his word) atleast once....its up 2 us his followers 2 make sure every2 accepts his word...so every1 is giving a chance...god is a fair god...
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:04 PM
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Here's an interesting website about Hell. Read http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

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NOTHING'S WORTH TAKING THE CHANCE!

It's simple to be saved ...

    * Realize you are a sinner.

          "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" Romans 3:10

          "... for there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23

    * Realize you CAN NOT save yourself.

          "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; ..." Isaiah 64:6

          "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, ..." Titus 3:5

    * Realize that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.

          "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, ..." 1 Peter 2:24

          "... Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," Revelation 1:5

    * Simply by faith receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

          "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12

          " ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."" Acts 16:30,31

          "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16


WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?

Pray this prayer, and mean it with all your heart.

Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless you save me I am lost forever. I thank you for dying for me at Calvary. I come to you now, Lord the best way I know how, and ask you to save me. I now receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:05 PM
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that is incredible unfair. i know plenty of people who dont have the internet who have heard from me. and u arent reading what i wrote. There are many common beliefs among the religions, but remember every acknowledgement of a higher power is God who is Jesus. if you dont live by the commandments and dont ask for forgiveness you will go to hell. the ten commandments are basic morality and are accepted in some form for many cultures. every person is different and will be judged according to their circumstances.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:07 PM
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u believe wat u belive...but i garantee u theres thing in life u belive bcuz word of mouth...if the radio say we are having a sale everything is 50 percent off..u go 2 the store just cuz u heared it was 50 percent off...this is the bottom line clearly got had 2 had told us something or we are entittled to our own opinions ..i believe that if hes gonna hold humans responsible ..and hes an intellectual god hes not gonna b sapping us 4 every little bad thing we do...god has either communicated wat he expects and communicated these answers 2 the questions we are talking about..and its not one of those things that "nobody knows" somebody does kno all does who agree that god has spoken then we have find out where has he spoken then we have to trust or reject taht he is the final word on issues and the key is that we dont recycle because god has already said u die once and ur judged and the answer to that is "nobody knows" the answer is do u believe that god has said that and we just gotta understand god has cleared all of this up none of this matters wat matter is that when u are ready 2 die are u willing 2 risk ur eternaty on "nobody knows"...wat are u gonna believe on the hope or no we are not gonna b accountable bcuz "nobody really knew"
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:09 PM
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im not sure what you said buddy, but unless you were talkin to me, it sounds good.
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 12:04 PM)
Here's an interesting website about Hell. Read http://www.av1611.org/hell.html


its that simple u wrote it urself...
Realize that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, ..." 1 Peter 2:24

"... Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," Revelation 1:5

* Simply by faith receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12

" ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."" Acts 16:30,31

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16


WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?

if u die 2day ...from 0-100% ..how sure are u that ur going 2 heave
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 12:09 PM)
im not sure what you said buddy, but unless you were talkin to me, it sounds good.

my bad it was not dirrected 2 u..it was for everyone 2 read...im on ur side kid come on lol
 
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post Aug 18 2004, 12:11 PM
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alright lol
 

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