The Good in President Bush, I would like to know... Options

[*CrackedRearView*]

I just want you to explain to me why you think presidential hopeful John Kerry said Vietnam was an irrelevant issue to include in a campaign, when he happily, and proudly lists his service timeas a positive attribute and example of dedication to the country. For votes, of course.

You don't smell any hypocrisy there?

[ComradeRed]

OH yes, Kerry is a huge hypocrite, there's no question about it. But Bush has broken all of his major 2000 promises, except for cutting taxes (and even then, his cuts won't last). I think that's a bit worse.

[Mini]

I don't like either. I want Comrade Red as President.

[Alpha240]

I just want you to explain to me why you think presidential hopeful John Kerry said Vietnam was an irrelevant issue to include in a campaign, when he happily, and proudly lists his service timeas a positive attribute and example of dedication to the country. For votes, of course.

You don't smell any hypocrisy there?

I think a good reason for that would be that we are currently at war, and it is more relevant then ever now that the president understands what it feels like for a soldier to be at war. Then he would be more able to decide if war is really necessary in whatever situation. Sorry, but times have changed since 1992 and that means people's views and ideas change also.

I updated my previous post, so if u have any comments on that please let me know.

[highly_evolved]

hey this topic is about wat good bush has down to the US but i STILL dont see any one replying to that. and raed posts before if ur gna talk about saddam hussein

[Mini]

Doesn't anyone listen to me? Screw them both and vote for Comrade Red.

[Spirited Away]

I think that there is a big difference between a citizan supporting the war, and the president having the country go to war.  The president has all the information/intelligence regarding valid reasons to go to war, while citizens of america can only go by what the white house releases.  I know a lot of poeple who supported the war in the beginning because of Bush's deceits of the reasons for war.  Now that the TRUTH is coming to light, more and more people disapprove of what we have done... and still are doing.  The president is the one who can take action and therefore has A LOT more responsibilty for his decisions.  He is the one who truly knows what is going on.  So, I really do think Kerry would have done things differently.. He may have sent to troops to Afghanistan in pursuit of Osama Bin Laden's capture, which I don't have any problem with, but I really dont think he would have done anything in Iraq... since there was NO reason at all.

hmm, I don't know if you know how this works, but the President doesn't just declare war and BAM, America goes to war. He actually discussed with Congress and Congress approved. It would incredibly stupid of Bush to just jump into war without consent from Congress. I think you skipped some of your government classes.

You may think that Kerry would do things differently, but "there is a big difference between" would have done and done. There was an interview with Kerry that someone posted in another topic about Kerry's response to the Iraq War.... I think he said something along the lines of he would have gone to war as well. I'll try to find it again for your sake.

So you are qualified to say who is more evil simply by the policies you disagree with?  I actually find that quite comical.  Also, I find it interesting how many americans have been brainwashed by the government/public schools to immediately think that communism=BAD.  Every government has it's good and bad, so who are we to say that democracry is the best and every country needs to be democratic.   Don't get me wrong, I love this country and democracy but we need to get over our arrogance.

And what I find comical is that you disregard the words "in my opinion" to your liking. I hope you know there are no truths in playing politics and also in discussing it. Whatever side I take is the side that I show affinity to and, in that sense, I'm no different than you when you support Kerry. You're right about Americans being brainwashed though. Many kids don't even think about what they say before accusing others of being "brainwashed". I personally think Communism is bad because I LIVED it and experienced first hand what communism has to offer its poor. If it's not bad to you, then that's your opinion. I have the right to hold mine. Now what's even more ridiculous is someone saying that "AMERICANS" need to get over our arrogance. I think the word "Americans" is too generalized. To group intellectuals in with amatures is a fallacy and not all Americans are Bush/Kerry fanatics.

Because I do not like neither Bush nor Kerry as presidential candidates, I must then ask you if there is any goood in Kerry. Bush has my vote, and yes I'm registered to vote, simply because he is my choice over Kerry. If the only good in Bush is that he must finish what he has started, then at least he got one more credential over Kerry.

[Mini]

So you are qualified to say who is more evil simply by the policies you disagree with? I actually find that quite comical. Also, I find it interesting how many americans have been brainwashed by the government/schools to immediately think that communism=BAD. Every government has it's good and bad, so who are we to say that democracry is the best and every country needs to be democratic. Don't get me wrong, I love this country and democracy but we need to get over our arrogance.

Communism in its ideal state is interesting, but people abused their power even so with democracy. Yes, I rather have democracy than communism because I lived in a communist country before. I lived in Vietnam, and it was horrible. The poverty in Vietnam was far worst than any democracy I have visited. Communism have more flaws than democracy. In Communism, the government rules everything. Imagine if we just give all the power to President Bush and he would be our supreme leader or any other president. Communism IS FAR worst in the hands of people than democracy. Democracy at least grants the citizens control of who they are voting for, and they can blame it on themselves if they voted for the wrong people to represent them. In Communism, you don't have any control, the government could take away your property and leave you homeless anytime and just let you starve and die.

[highly_evolved]

thats a scary thought.. yes the idea of communism that being equal wealth is a good idea. but by human nature it can not be done and democracy is a far better form of government

[Mini]

thats a scary thought.. yes the idea of communism that being equal wealth is a good idea. but by human nature it can not be done and democracy is a far better form of government

Every CITIZEN has equal wealth. The government has BILLIONS of dollars and who works for the government is rich as HELL. As I said, people abused their powers and communism has SO many flaws.

[angel-roh]

i dont like kerry and i dont like bush. i hate both of them. im sick of hearing loved ones dying in the war. i get grossed out if i see same sex getting marry... i dont like it. i wish there is a president who makes gay marriage illegal and let there be peace into this world. i want that kind of president. why can't there be a president like that? i wish someone just someone at least do a speech about it, i'll vote for the person who says "lets bring peace to this world once again, and let the gay marriages be illegal to the United States blah blah" seriously and honestly i dont want our future to have gay marriages... i dont like seeing same sex having sex, kiss, make out in public...me and my homies was walking down the street and we saw this 2 guys humping together...i thought it was reallie nasty... it made me puke so much. i hate bush and i hate kerry. i really hate both of them. i dont like their speech. they both suck. i dont want none of them to be a president. i want another guy, so i can vote other person... so...

PRESIDENT BUSH AND PRESIDENT KERRY SUCKS!

[Spirited Away]

www.jibjab.com : Nicely summarizes the main differences between Bush and Kerry.

What a site to behold (no pun intended)!!!! I'm going to show this to the whole family.

[highly_evolved]

world peace means pleasing everyone. if u cant have gay marriages then u cant please everyone, and if u have gay marriages then u still cant please everyone.

[Mini]

world peace means pleasing everyone. if u cant have gay marriages then u cant please everyone, and if u have gay marriages then u still cant please everyone.

Susan!! Nooo, don't make another debate on gay marriages.

[angel-roh]

im not making another debate on gay marriages. all im saying is i hate kerry and bush. i hate their opinions. i hate their speech.

[highly_evolved]

well thats nice to know but i hope urealize that the topic is "The Good in President Bush"

[Mini]

WEll, I hate them both too. VOTE FOR COMRADE RED!!!

[Alpha240]

hmm, I don't know if you know how this works, but the President doesn't just declare war and BAM, America goes to war. He actually discussed with Congress and Congress approved. It would incredibly stupid of Bush to just jump into war without consent from Congress. I think you skipped some of your government classes.

Actually, the president has the power to send troops to war for a certain period of time without the approval of congress, sorry to burst your bubble.

The poverty in Vietnam was far worst than any democracy I have visited. Communism have more flaws than democracy. In Communism, the government rules everything. Imagine if we just give all the power to President Bush and he would be our supreme leader or any other president. Communism IS FAR worst in the hands of people than democracy. Democracy at least grants the citizens control of who they are voting for, and they can blame it on themselves if they voted for the wrong people to represent them.

I agree that democracy is a better form of government, but i'm just trying to make people think for themselves rather than being told that communism is BAD BAD BAD. Vietnam is a poorer country than the US, so that may have an affect with the poverty. And in the election of 2000, african americans and other minorities votes were nullified for whatever reason. This is just an example of the problems of government. Even though democracy claims that the people vote for their leader, it's more complicated than that. I'm NOT saying communism is good or bad, all i'm saying is that every governement has it's problems and secrets.

You may think that Kerry would do things differently, but "there is a big difference between" would have done and done. There was an interview with Kerry that someone posted in another topic about Kerry's response to the Iraq War.... I think he said something along the lines of he would have gone to war as well. I'll try to find it again for your sake.

Actions speak louders than words... what Bush has done about the war has much more of an impact than what Kerry has said about the war. Why does it matter what Kerry said about the war anyways?? If he's for the war, well we're already in one thanks to Bush. If he's againt is, then he will withdraw our troops.

Because I do not like neither Bush nor Kerry as presidential candidates, I must then ask you if there is any goood in Kerry. Bush has my vote, and yes I'm registered to vote, simply because he is my choice over Kerry. If the only good in Bush is that he must finish what he has started, then at least he got one more credential over Kerry.

Kerry was never our president and never had a chance to prove himself as one. How bout we give him a chance to see what he's got? By the progress of this topic, seems to me that Bush has NOTHING good to offer. If you disagree please PLEASE tell me something good bush has done for us. I don't think "finishing what he started" is a good reason to have him as our president for another 4 years. Why hasn't he withdrawn a majority of our troops already and start "finishing" this mess?? hmmm, maybe because he knows people are giving him their vote just for that reason? just a thought.

I hate when people say that because it's like they're saying, " I would prefer to have Fidel Castro than Bush." UGH! 

It's not really like that at all... when we say "Anyone but Bush" we are still being rational about it. For example, I would rather have any canididate from another party running for office as president rather than Bush, such as Kerry or Nader. Do you really think that people would want literally ANYONE as president.... for example, you? please think before you speak.... or type.

ok last time people, what good has Bush done for us in the last four years?????? c'mon there's got to be SOMETHING... that man can't be THAT uncapable of doing good...

[ryfitaDF]

i don't like kerry for any reason other than he's not bush.

[Mini]

I agree that democracy is a better form of government, but i'm just trying to make people think for themselves rather than being told that communism is BAD BAD BAD. Vietnam is a poorer country than the US, so that may have an affect with the poverty. And in the election of 2000, african americans and other minorities votes were nullified for whatever reason. This is just an example of the problems of government. Even though democracy claims that the people vote for their leader, it's more complicated than that. I'm NOT saying communism is good or bad, all i'm saying is that every governement has it's problems and secrets.

Why is Vietnam poor? Because of Communism. Communism is a society without money, without property, without social classes. People just come together and carry out a project or to help each other in a community but it is without different wages. Everyone makes the same minimal wage, a doctor can make the same a trashman. Think about it, why would you go and spend time going to school if you just make the same wage as someone who doesn't really need an education and time and they just receive ALMOST the same amount as you? The citizens are slaves to the government. I mean Communism was ideally a good form of government, but it hinders growth of the economy if other countries are capitalist. It is human nature that if you work really hard to improve society, another person should do the same. Except when corcerning professions, it contradicts that notation because each profession is different and that you spend different amounts of time working and studying that profession.

You are right that the government is brainwashing students, but people do think for themselves. I really do think they try to explain to you that Communism was a good idea except it didn't work out and that people corrupted the idea just like they corrupt many others. I was fortunate to be taught by wonderful teachers in Social Studies.

[Spirited Away]

Actually, the president has the power to send troops to war for a certain period of time without the approval of congress, sorry to burst your bubble.

I remember specifically saying that it would be stupid for the President to do so without the consent of Congress, sorry to burst YOUR bubble.

Actions speak louders than words... what Bush has done about the war has much more of an impact than what Kerry has said about the war.  Why does it matter what Kerry said about the war anyways?? If he's for the war, well we're already in one thanks to Bush.  If he's againt is, then he will withdraw our troops. 

This, once again, has been answered. Because Kerry said that he would have gone to war, what makes you think that Kerry would be any better than Bush?

Kerry was never our president and never had a chance to prove himself as one.  How bout we give him a chance to see what he's got?  By the progress of this topic, seems to me that Bush has NOTHING good to offer.  If you disagree please PLEASE tell me something good bush has done for us. I don't think "finishing what he started" is a good reason to have him as our president for another 4 years.  Why hasn't he withdrawn a majority of our troops already and start "finishing" this mess?? hmmm, maybe because he knows people are giving him their vote just for that reason?  just a thought.

Well, Gore was never our President and never had a chance to prove himself as one, and neither did plenty of other people who tried to run for Presidency. How about we give NADER a chance to see what he's got? By the progress of this topic, seems to me BUSH and KERRY has NOTHING good to offer. If you disagree, then please tell me something good about Kerry.

"Finishing what he started" is a perfectly good opinion. If you think that it isn't good, well, that's just YOUR own opinion and I'm fine with that. Heh, I'm not a person who would say your opinion is wrong because that's just... wrong.

ok last time people, what good has Bush done for us in the last four years?????? c'mon there's got to be SOMETHING... that man can't be THAT uncapable of doing good...

Seeing how I don't really have affinity for either candidates, I don't really have anything good to report. At least I know that I'm still voting for Bush.

I really do agree with you that schools and the government tries to brainwash you, but people do think for themselves.

Exactly.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I think a good reason for that would be that we are currently at war, and it is more relevant then ever now that the president understands what it feels like for a soldier to be at war. Then he would be more able to decide if war is really necessary in whatever situation. Sorry, but times have changed since 1992 and that means people's views and ideas change also.

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We had just pulled out of a Middle East invasion in 1992, and there were still troops deployed in gray, unsure areas.

Not to mention, we've been overseas making moves throughout the entire 90's.

[Mini]

Let me ask a question, what does John Kerry have to offer that Bush doesn't? The fact that he served in the military means swat to me.

[sikdragon]

Bush has done an awesome job has president, everything he has promised has been brought before congress. foreign policy was humble he asked for humble support, he humbly flipped off the UN, he humbly asked Hussein for his weapons, hussein spit in his face so he humbly bombed the hell outta his country.

The economy is doing well considering we are at war. He created more jobs by giving the rich more money so they can afford to have more employees. He is working to get our guns back and raise the ages to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldnt have them. He is showing he has moral back bone by trying to get the amendmant passed redefining marraige. with the patriot act he gave law enforcement more right so they can protect us better. Bush doesnt flip-flop he supports everything he says and doesnt change his stance just to make the crowd love him. He is against abortion, he signed the partial-birth abortion act and believes tax-payers should not pay for abortions, or the advocation of such events. he is against affirmative action. President Bush's Jobs and Growth act sped up the 2001 tax cuts to increase the pace of economic recovery and job creation. he signed a law that increased prescriptions covered by medicare. He opposes a highway bill that increases the gas tax. Bush signed a proclamation in december 2003 ending temporary steel tariffs.

those are just some of the great things he has done.

[Mini]

Although, Bush is trying to make good attentions, did you know the Patriot Act is rewritting the Constitution? It is going to do more harm than good.