god, part 2 Options

[sikdragon]

ok ur views on christians is unfair and completely ungrounded. The bible that proclaimed christians are supposed to follow says to love your neighbor as yourself, love everyone because we are all neighbors in this terrestrial ball. The bible that they follow also states that they are to be a witness of God's glory that is why they have TBN and ministries. But sadly they are the biggest demographic so people join their ranks soley to make money. You shouldnt judge a group by just the one's you have met.

The anti-christ will triumph against oppression, but creating a new oppression of his own, the oppression of christians, because christians who do not conform to the ways of the world will be labeled as haters, because they also say everyone is guilty for the crucifixion of their lord and savior, themselves included. I myself am a christian, thus, my knowledge of christianity has been broadened.

God is there regardless of your beliefs. If no human chooses to believe or worship him then then the trees and rocks would sing of glory. Dont try it, I will miss you at the table of the ten-thousand year feast.

[Spirited Away]

I can also say that many Christians view non-Christians/non-believers with clouded eyes and judgement. Many Christians somehow conceived the idea that the way to convert people is to threaten them with Hell or even with physcial pain (refering to deaths of martyrs the Crusades, and wrongs inflicted on innocents by zealous Bible thumpers).

Some Christians force others to be anti-Christ by definition, eventhough others just want to live their lives morally.

It's JUST FINE that, as good people, we'll go to Hell because of our disblief, because we're happy with being true to ourselves. BUT it's not fine for self-righteous people to decide how we should live. That's the BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER.

[sikdragon]

well their wrong, a christian's job is to inform the non-believer.

[Spirited Away]

Then in your opinion, are they untrue Christians?

[sikdragon]

not untrue but non-obedient

[sporadic]

God gave man free will. They can choose to dedicate their life to worshipping him, or choose to dedicate their life berating people who don't believe in him.

[Spirited Away]

^^ I thought the Bible disapproves man judging man? Than does this not mean that Christians have no right to judge others of being "wrong" or believing wrongly?

[CrimsonArchangel]

^^ I thought the Bible disapproves man judging man? Than does this not mean that Christians have no right to judge others of being "wrong" or believing wrongly?

None whatsoever.

Christians do have the right to teach and make their beliefs known, though. And yes, non-believers have the right to not listen as well.

So it seems to me we're just wasting our time. Kidding. I mean, we're all learning from this one way or the other.

[sikdragon]

the bible says we are to have a discerning spirit and judge a man by his fruits.

[IIO__oII]

the bible says we are to have a discerning spirit and judge a man by his fruits.

sorry- does it say to judge a man by his fruits in the bible?

[Spirited Away]

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Well does it say to judge? I'm curious, darn it!!

[CrimsonArchangel]

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Well does it say to judge? I'm curious, darn it!!

I know it has been made clear that many here don't want the Bible to be quoted, but the Bible was mentioned, so I'll talk about it.

The Bible repeatedly says that God will judge man by his actions, whether they be good or bad. Man has no right to judge man on what they believe in because God gave us free will so we have a right to choose what side we're on. The only thing man can do (according to the bible) is point his fellow man to God, show him the benefits (and drawbacks, because there are a few) of being in a close relationship with God.

Again, it is up to the indiviual him/herself to choose whether to believe or not.

[Spirited Away]

If one's job is spread the word of God, then is it not a fallacy to judge that other people are "wrong" in believing as they do because God do not approve of it?

To my understanding, are not the words "heathens", "heretics", "infidels", words of judgement and condemnation?

In this debate thus far, I've only notice 2-4 Christians who have tried not to pass judgement. So, what does this say about the rest of those who have argued?

[princess2113]

If one's job is spread the word of God, then is it not a fallacy to judge that other people are "wrong" in believing as they do because God do not approve of it?

To my understanding, are not the words "heathens", "heretics", "infidels", words of judgement and condemnation?

In this debate thus far, I've only notice 2-4 Christians who have tried not to pass judgement. So, what does this say about the rest of those who have argued?

it says that we get frustrated with some people stupidity and ignorance to our religion when we are trying to tell and teach WITHOUT making u feel as if we are trying to convert u

[Spirited Away]

And I get frustrated with some Christians' ignorance and stupidity of the world around them.

What do you call someone who is so sure that they are correct but is open minded to the world of possibilities? I'd call them confident, in a smart way.

What do you call someone who is so sure that they are correct but is close minded to the world of possibilities? I'd call them stupid. Period.

[CrimsonArchangel]

To my understanding, are not the words "heathens", "heretics", "infidels", words of judgement and condemnation?

They are, but if they were ever used by a "Christian", then that person was not christian at all. Any true christian would know that God loves everyone, no matter what and is willing to accept them into his arms if they so choose to.

True christians would never call anyone heretics or heathens. Its not right.

In this debate thus far, I've only notice 2-4 Christians who have tried not to pass judgement. So, what does this say about the rest of those who have argued?

It says that they have no clue what they're talking about and are selfish people.

[Spirited Away]

It says that they have no clue what they're talking about and are selfish people.

I guess that settles everything.

Telling people about God is one thing, but threatening with Hell and saying something as disrespectful as "what you believe in is wrong" is almost like stabbing someone with a knife.

Belief is a powerful thing. It gives hope and can take away hope just as easily. I hate when people tries to take away another's belief so forcefully and illogically.

[xnastyninjagrlx]

If He rose from the dead, then why does He needs to "come back"?



Know that I do not mock you for being a Christian. Sometimes, I feel like you guys are mocking yourselves.

But like I said, I do not fear Heaven's wrath, I will die happy knowing that I've done good.

So now you say that I will face God. Earlier in the debate, someone told me that I'll never have a chance to face God because he cannot abide sinners to be near Him. But I'm not ashamed to meet your God because I'm sure I can explain myself. (EDIT:: I so feel like I'm going to get flamed for that statement... but it's okay, me=future martyr remember?)

Jesus had to die for us cuz we are all sinners. We needed a perfectly, holy, innocent, pure blood to sacrafice for us so that our sins would be forgiven and that we may have a relationship with God.

The thing about him coming back is that he will once destroy the world again. Not with water like he did in Noah's time, but with fire this time. Fire is suppose to fall from heaven and God is going to come save those who have been faithful to Him. That day is unkown tho, because He wants Christians to be prepared for that day every single day of our lives.

And about not being able to face God, I think that will come on ur judgement day. God will ask simply if you lived a life of faith and relationship with Him. If you have not, then you will want to depart from you and as a result you will live in eternity of seperation from God. (hell)

*hope that helps!*

[IIO__oII]

no true christian would try to force a belif on a nonbeliver. [i would belive.... ]

[Spirited Away]

*hope that helps!*

Sure did!

Makes me fearful, but still incredibly obstinate, just like those monsters under the bed. Oh well.

I hold the belief that if God loves, He will not turn away.

[xnastyninjagrlx]

no true christian would try to force a belif on a nonbeliver. [i would belive.... ]

yah I think non-believers just get get the wrong idea that Christians are forcing them, but we are just acutally trying to "spread the good news" just what God proclaims.

[Spirited Away]

yah I think non-believers just get get the wrong idea that Christians are forcing them, but we are just acutally trying to "spread the good news" just what God proclaims.

If you've read previous posts, there were a couple who tried to forced it by threatening with Hell.

[CrimsonArchangel]

I hold the belief that if God loves, He will not turn away.

You pose the most complicated ideas, Fae.

God is all-loving. He loves everyone. But he can't do anything if you (general statement) don't love him back. I mean... I don't know if this can tie into everything, but I'm gonna try. Lets place a person in love. Lets say person A would do anything for person B. That's how much A loves B. But B wants nothing to do with A. Not even if A is willing to give up his life for B. Even with all the love A has for B, if B doesn't want it or accepts it, then A has to turn away, again even with all the love inside, to see if someone else will take it. That somewhat explains what God feels, except that when A devotes his/her full love to C when B rejected A, A can't love B as much as much as he/she loves C. Its human nature. God can. If you reject his love once, but then come back to accept it, he will gladly accept you no matter what.

Wow... that was a mouthful. Hope that made sense.

[Mini]

People corrupt religions. Religions in their ideal state are pure, interesting and help motivate people to live a good life without "sins." There is too many "bad blood" about Christians, because there isn't many devout Christians. What I mean is that alot of Christians are hypocritical, they have done sins in the name of God by in the past slaughtering countless people because they wouldn't convert. Some Christians even think that they can abuse their so called "right" of being Christian by stating that they can live a sinful life and ask Jesus to forgive them so they can go to Heaven. Like I said, people corrupt because we are not perfect. Even though Christians have good intentions, some do go way too far to "spread the good news." From this, spawns seeds of doubt in the religion itself.

I hope you guys get what I am trying to say. Also, the word Christian was butchered because some Christians have done sins in the name of God. Instead, some Christians would like to be addressed as followers of Christ because of the "bad blood."

[Spirited Away]

There was an interesting discussion in my philosophy class a year ago about God and free will and there was a heated debate, though short lived. I will mention one reply that made a hell lot of sense to me.

The student, I'm guessing must be an agnostic like myself, said that if we truly have the freedom to choose or so-called, free will, then God cannot omnipotent because He gave up His power over man. In other words, God cannot be omnipotent/All Powerful if He doesn't have the power to control man's will.

If man is not free, in the case that the Almighty is omnipotent, then how is it that He can blame man for making the wrong choices? Meaning, man is condemned for doing things out of his control... leading to the assumption of an unjust God.

This is famously known as the fate vs free will controversy.

So this points back to my original statement in some previous posts that if God allowed free will, He will not turn away those who saw the Gift and seized it.