Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong? Options

[flip_dorkette]

im hetrosexual, but i quoted a while ago about homosexuality:

going against them is like robbing them of their right to love who they want to... so a lot of people think its just not right... but hey.. if someone said they were against you liking or loving that boy/girl out there that wont stop you right?

its their choice. theres nothing wrong with it, no matter what your religion, both hetrosexuality and homosexuality is based on love, rights, and way of life. its not just, yes you can and no you cant. who are we to go against love of ANY kind?? of course most say its wrong, and there are those who will point and say: "UGH! YOURE GAY/LEZ/Bi?!" but it doesnt matter.. homosexuals deserve just as much respect as any other person in this world; and i for one think its sad the way most people cant see that.

[Spirited Away]

unin: actually it has been proven that they cant choose to be gay. there is something in their genes/DNA whatever that programs them to be attracted to the same sex...come on would you choose to gay? would you CHOOSE to be hated by 1/2 of america?? choose to persecuted because of who you love? i dont think so.

That's really funny, give me a moment to laugh.... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Okay, so ... where's your source?

Now if you don't mind reading other posts of mine, you'll see that I've already answered to this kind of question.

[capsule]

simply put...

I'm against homosexuality, but not against homosexuals....whatever they want to do is up to them, I don't mind as long as they wont try hittin on me o_O

[jarnifer]

simply put...

I'm against homosexuality, but not against homosexuals....whatever they want to do is up to them, I don't mind as long as they wont try hittin on me o_O

i've always found such comments amusing...

"as long as THEY won't try hitting on me then it's ok"

really...would YOU ever try hitting on a gay guy/lesbian if you're straight? It's not like every single gay/lesbian is out to get you or anything...

[Ze world is a Ma...]

i believe in god sure this angers me the most!! if god created everything that means he create this 'thing'no offense called homosexual then WHY THE HELL IS IT CONSIDERED WRONG. well i have no problem with homosexual.
lol as for that down there its funny WTF is up with that?



QUOTE (masu_misairu @ Aug 9 2004, 7:09 PM)
simply put...

I'm against homosexuality, but not against homosexuals....whatever they want to do is up to them, I don't mind as long as they wont try hittin on me o_O


i've always found such comments amusing...

"as long as THEY won't try hitting on me then it's ok"

really...would YOU ever try hitting on a gay guy/lesbian if you're straight? It's not like every single gay/lesbian is out to get you or anything...

[capsule]

really...would YOU ever try hitting on a gay guy/lesbian if you're straight? It's not like every single gay/lesbian is out to get you or anything...

i never said every single gay/lesbian is out to get me, damn...its not like i was tryin to be offensive toward homosexuals.

[inlonelinessidie]

I found this on someone's site. It was a comment written by a girl names Kirsten . . I think it was Kristen. xHalf nHalf has had very good points in this topic, and I grew to agree with her. And I also agree with this person that wrote the quote below.

heeey! I don't want to butt in or anything, cuz you don't know me, and I know this is sorta a touchy subject. But, I was lookin through the UNC CH blogring and reading some stuff from my future classmates and I found ya! So, since you asked for help, I'll give ya my opinion, and if I'm totally intruding, you can just ignore me :)

I agree with what everyone said about God loving you. That will NEVER EVER change. He loves you SO incredibly much, enough to die for you. Think of that--He thought you were worth as much as His Son, enough that He would send His son to die for you, and you made Jesus's death worth it, you were the prize set before Him. Nothing, not our actions or situations or anything can ever change that!

But as much as God loves us, sin still seperates us from Him. And, the Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin. Not to say that in a condemning way, because I have sin in my life too...lying, pride, gossip. Homosexuality is just another sin onn the list, and we all struggle with different things. I noticed some people up there ^^ said that God created you that way and stuff like that. But, He didn't. He created us in His image, and we were perfect until Adam and Eve sinned and sin entered the world. And now, we're all born with a sin nature, but God didn't create us to have that sin nature. The Bible says we're slaves to sin; we can't NOT sin until Jesus redeems us. So, while it's true that you may have been born more prone to homosexuality, just like some have more trouble with lust or with stealing or whatever, it's probably because that's where the devil wants to nail ya. He likes to get us in our weak spots, and tempt us. Like when He tempted Jesus--He knew Jesus was hungry and appealed to that hunger. He knows what we can give into easier, and will try to tempt us in that area. Being attracted to another woman is only being tempted to be lesbian. It's not a sin until you act on it. Until you lust after her (in the same way it would be wrong to lust after a guy, if you weren't lesbian) and/or sleep with her etc. (the same way it'd be wrong to sleep with a guy before marriage.). You can't help being attracted to a woman; that's the devil trying to trip you up. It's your choice whether or not to act on it.

And so, you just have to decide what's more important to you--God or her. That makes it sound really easy and it's NOT. It's the hardest thing in the world, and that's why we mess up so much. When Jesus makes us rightous, and gives us a new Spirit, we still have our stinkin flesh to deal with. And EVERYONE deals with it--check out Romans 7. But, what the Bible says we're supposed to do is crucify our flesh and consider it and it's desires, dead. Being a disciple of Christ isn't easy. It involves abandonment. Things we really don't want to give up but we know we have to. But Jesus is worth it. It's worth it to follow Him. The Bible says we can KNOW we're children of God if we walk in rightousness and don't live in a lifestyle of sin (I posted a long thing about this a few entries back on my xanga.). It says that we should count EVERYTHING else as loss in view of the surpassing greatness of knowing Jesus. So, it's up to you to decide--is Jesus worth that? is being a child of God worth that? is His unconditional love enough to compell you (2 Cor. 5:14)? And it's not going to be easy. It's going to be one of the hardest decisions you've ever made. And, I feel so much for homosexuals, because love is the deepest desire in all humans, and I know that when you're homosexual, to give up that homosexuality isn't just giving up a person--it must seem like you're giving up the chance to ever fall in love. But, I just bet you'll find that the joy in walking closely with Jesus is more than even the happiness of falling in love. And, it wouldn't surprise me if God helped you be attracted to guys and find an amazing relationship, because He knows the desires of your heart and if you're seeking Him, He'll work things out. "Seek ye first the kingdom of God...and all these things will be added to you.".

So, it's going to be insanely hard. But, the cool thing is, God has this way of meeting us where we are, once we're willing. My youth leader was talking about this the other day--how we can't be rightous on our own. We can't do the right thing all the time on our own. But God can help us, and all we have to do is get the point where we can tell Him *I can't, but You can.*. Say, *I want to do this, but I can't do it!!* and He'll change you, He'll help you. Even if you don't really want to, all you have to do is want to want to (hehe) and He'll even help you want to give up something you really love! But it all begins with the decision to crucify the flesh.

Soooo...yeah, that was really really long, sorry!! And sorry if it sounded like I was preaching at you or something. I understand how torn you must feel, how hard this situation must be for you....but, just from what I've found in my life, God is worth it!!! I will definitely pray for you, that you'll be able to decide. And then if you do choose to give stuff up, that God will just help you do that, because I know it won't be easy. Oh, and that your migraines get better! That stinks! Well, I hope you have an awesome rest of the summer, and yeah, sorry if that was super nosy of me or something :)

This is written by a girl who is Christian so if you don't want to agree with it because it's from a Christian's point of view . . . so be it.

[sikdragon]

it does go against God, and is not natural if you look at it from a scientific point of you. homosexuals are sinners like every other person. A thief steals, a democrat lies, teenage boys think about sex all the time, a murderer kills, an abortion doctor kills, a divorced woman who is with other men is an adulterer. everyone has their problems, it is the choice to do what you want and falter is what goes against God.

[inlonelinessidie]

it does go against God, and is not natural if you look at it from a scientific point of you. homosexuals are sinners like every other person. A thief steals, a democrat lies, teenage boys think about sex all the time, a murderer kills, an abortion doctor kills, a divorced woman who is with other men is an adulterer. everyone has their problems, it is the choice to do what you want and falter is what goes against God.

Yup, agreed.

[angel-roh]

i wonder if all the homosexuals will do sex changes in the future...o_o;;;

[Mini]

Okay. I am bisexual. And I can try to clear the clouds. I really don't think you choose to be gay. It's really hard for me to explain this, but even homosexuals try to be "straight" but they are living in a fabricated lie. I can't change the fact that I have feelings for other guys, but I don't want to go against what is "natural" and I didn't want to be discriminated. But for some reason, no matter what I do, I can not try not to have feelings for guys. In my mind, I can't stop the voice that says "Oh, that guy is cute." It is a psychological thing. Have you heard about the Senator being gay? How he confessed to everyone even though he is married to a woman and have children? You can't really change it. It is almost psychologically impossible. I don't know the facts or statistics about this, but what if it is a mental disease? I can't fabricate lies to myself and tell myself I am totally straight. I just can't do it. It's like you are in denial that you are gay.

Also, why do you think homosexuals are morally wrong? I was raised to like girls and to be married and have children. My father is straight and my brother is straight. WHAT IS MORALLY WRONG? Can you define it? Your parents raise you up with certain morals, it is different for everyone. And believe me, my parents raised me up to be straight, BUT GUESS WHAT I'M ding dong NOT.

[is2diexd]

I think they should be accepted of who they are, and not be judged by whatever god said -_-... If he made everyone he made them too so yea ? I don't mind getting to know homosxual people as long as they don't go after me..

[sikdragon]

do you think we should accept pedophiles for who they are?? they are attracted to children. what about people who have sex with animals or rapists? should we accept those people for who they are? no there is a reason these things arent accepted. they are wrong not just morally but physically. physically you arent built for sex with another person of the same sex. According to God any sex outside of marriage is wrong regardless of gender. and well now that we havent done what God said there are all of these sexual diseases on mass infection rates. Hepatitus B infection rates go up with homosexual rates.
If you believe you are gay and arent thinking natural thoughts you are doing the same thing as a person who thinks it is easier to steal than to buy. if you cant change due to psychological try being celibate.

[Mini]

First of all, not all people believe in God. Secondly, the Bible was written by men who were said to be "influenced by God." Did you read the Old Testament? Everything written about women and homosexuals were so biased. If the Bible is being changed from Old Testament to New Testament, wouldn't there be doubt that what the Bible says is actually one hundred percent true? If God gave man the gift of free-will, how are you sure that the men who wrote the Bible followed the exact words of God? If man is not free, and God is omipotent and Almighty, why would God condem us? This controversy was brought up by Fae's statement. So could it be possible that the Bible might also contain the ideas of the people who wrote it, therefore you can not truly say that the Bible soley consists of the words of God.

Also, if all sin is the same in the eyes of God, why are people exiling the homosexuals? You don't know how much discrimination they have to withstand. So if all sins are the same, why aren't stealers being discriminated as much? Why aren't women being discriminated for going against their husbands? The fact is, everyone commits sins each and every day. No one is indeed perfect. However, it seems to me that the majority value the sins. Killing a person is worst than being homosexual, being homosexual is worst than having sex without being married, having sex is worst than stealing, stealing is worst than lying. I don't see people get beaten and banished from their own families for lying? There are more and more kids banished from their homes because they told their families that they were gay. So why does homosexuals have to endure more pain, mentally, emotionally, and physically than liars or stealers if all sins are the same?

Also, people were raised up with different morals. There is no such thing as morally wrong or morally right. Your morals might be the same or it might be different from mine. Therefore, it contradicts what you state is morally wrong. For example, Parent A teach their children to hate and detest incest. However, Parent B teach their children to accept it. Thus, the different morals contradicts each other. You can not assume that people were raised with the same exact morals.

[sikdragon]

the way i put it showed no grading of sins it is all the same. i dont appreciate you putting me in that same boat. im not exiling homosexuals.

God condemns us because he is a just God. The bible was written by an enlightened few. The bible never contradicts itself throughout the whole thing. its amazing i mean it was written over hundreds of years and all of it supports itself. Yeah i read the Old Testament and no it isnt biased it is true. homosexuals are perverse. and yes the bible is written with the ideas of the men that wrote it. the ideas were given to them by God. and humans are imperfect that is why there is a difference between sins. it is a human perspective, not God's. humans have free will so that is why homosexuals are treated differently.

[sporadic]

I don't understand how homosexuality could possibly be wrong. That's like saying having red hair is wrong, or being a woman is wrong, or being a certain race is wrong. Homosexuality is a personality trait that people are born with.

If God didn't want homosexuals, they wouldn't exist. Men (slash women) didn't just one day wake up and say "Hey! I wanna piss of God!" and then go out and screw a guy (slash girl).

[Spirited Away]

I don't understand how homosexuality could possibly be wrong. That's like saying having red hair is wrong, or being a woman is wrong, or being a certain race is wrong. Homosexuality is a personality trait that people are born with.

Because the nature vs nurture controversy hasn't been concluded yet, therefore, many people believe that homosexuals have a choice in their sexuality <-- that's just one theory on how homosexuality could be wrong in some people's perspectives.

[sikdragon]

I don't understand how homosexuality could possibly be wrong. That's like saying having red hair is wrong, or being a woman is wrong, or being a certain race is wrong. Homosexuality is a personality trait that people are born with.

If God didn't want homosexuals, they wouldn't exist. Men (slash women) didn't just one day wake up and say "Hey! I wanna piss of God!" and then go out and screw a guy (slash girl).

sorry u feel that way but it is nothing like having red hair unless you dyed it. Being gay is a choice. If God didnt want homosexuals and didnt give us the CHOICE we wouldnt have free will.

[sporadic]

There are some people in the world who have forced themselves to be homosexual. But there are people who were born that way. *gasp* I know, that's hard to believe.

[sikdragon]

its not hard to believe its untrue no one is born that way. it is a psychological defect that comes during the growing process of adolesence.

[sporadic]

Oh, so homosexuality is a mental illness now?

[sikdragon]

oh and yes it is. a mental illness brought upon by self hypnosis in many cases, there are many causes.

[sporadic]

But not all cases.

[sikdragon]

yeah the other cases are where other people influence you. you arent born like that.

[Mini]

it is a human perspective, not God's. humans have free will so that is why homosexuals are treated differently.

As I said, biased. The Old Testament often demeans and degrades women because they depict the society of their time. In their society, communities detest homosexuals because of their perspective. If it is their perspective, why should we follow it?

I know it is a sin, but then why does the Old Testament give such hatred towards it if God sees all sin equally. They treat homosexuality as a serious sin, thereby grading it.

the way i put it showed no grading of sins it is all the same. i dont appreciate you putting me in that same boat. im not exiling homosexuals.

I didn't address you. I address the majority because the conservative Christians believe it as a serious sin, thereby ranking sins.

You also stated that man has free-will. As I said, "wouldn't there be doubt that what the Bible says is actually one hundred percent true?" Why did they have to write the exact words of God? Couldn't they change the words to benefit themselves?

and yes the bible is written with the ideas of the men that wrote it. the ideas were given to them by God.

Their society was totally different from ours. If the Bible contains the ideas of the men from centuries ago, why should we follow their exact words? Faith is the key factor here. Because of our faith and piety, that we believe the holy Bible is the exact words of God. Except you forget that when there is faith, there is also doubt. So no one can say the Bible is the Word of God, because it was written by men. I am not applying it is false, I am stating that the Bible is questionable.

Read this http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

It states that people approach the Bible with different assumptions, therefore everyone is opinionated. As I said, no one can define the Bible in the exact words of God. We only have faith to believe.

oh and yes it is. a mental illness brought upon by self hypnosis in many cases, there are many causes.

The origin of homosexuality is very, very complicated. Many believe it is a mental illness. Read this http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclop...psychology.html
and http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/...ity/ho0011.html