god, part 2 Options

[IIO__oII]

acurate. yep. all those people walking on water and tutning it into wine can voucher for it? fool.

ha. you dont know Jesus.

[Spirited Away]

believe it or not.... it's soon.

when you die.. i don't need to tell you that GOD exists... cause GOD will be in YOUR FACE sending you to hell.

Thank you for letting me know how "merciful" God is... thank you.

the BIBLE is the oldest yet the most accurate historical evidence in the modern world today. fool.

If it's so "accurate" then why is it changed/corrected? Old testament and New testament... ever heard of it ,"fool"? Yeah, it's so historically accurate that it needs to be fixed... right. It's like God changes His mind every now and then... I don't get it.

Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so.

That's THE MOST IDIOTIC thing I've heard so far. You even beat Princess and the other girl for the most stupidest saying! And that's really tough! Way to Go! Please don't take this too much of an offense... my opinions don't usually mean much.

You're probably so closed off to the rest of the world because you only know about one religion and not others. I don't blame you, after all, it's God's words that you must follow. But I don't think God meant for you to be so stupid. You do realize that Buddhists are tolerant of all faiths right? Knock Knock... Do you even know what Buddhism is???

Anyway, so now you're just going to put the blame for past offenses on the Catholic Church. I think you're pretty dense. Is there supposed to be a HUGE difference between Catholicism and Christianity? The CORE belief of the two is: there is only one God, and the way to be with God is through Jesus Christ, is it not? Your ways of worship are different, but essentially, your beliefs are the same.

I hope you get a better history teacher in your class when school starts again... Have you heard of the CHRISTIAN CRUSADES? It is dated from 1095-1291, when Christians have gone on pilgrimages to the "Holy Land"... If you never learned it, the Christians weren't very merciful to pagans and people of the Muslim faith. They slaugtered and enslaved people just because they do not believe in the things Christians claim is virtuous.... That is humanely WRONG and EVIL.

You blame it on Catholics??? Pshh, PUHLEZZZE!

[MrElsewhere]

buddshists don't spread their religion. has a buddhist even knocked on your door and gave toy 20 panfilts telling you you're wrong with your entire life? and if buddhists did try to get people to convert i'm sure christians would wage some kinda of holy war against them. it's their bigot nature.

can i get a wo0t wo0t!!?

do you see Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so.

that pisses me off.. A LOT..do you have any idea what Buddhism is about? Christians have been one of the most violent worshippers of all time. How you ask? THE CRUSADES.

during the end of the Middle Ages, the Pope called for a crusade against Islam. Muslims, at this time were one of the MOST INTELLIGENT people living. And Christians slautered tons of them because? GOD SAID SO. Oh..so you follow this big all powerful God no matter what? He tells you to blow off your mom's head and you do it?


I maintain my point. Christianity is the easiest religion today. You follow him loyally. Sure, no prob with me. Come to my door and preach your teachings, ok go ahead. False information on my religion..now im gonna do sumthin you don't like.

Christians are PERSECUTED NOW?? GOOD. Maybe some other divine being has stepped in and punished you for all you've done in the past.

Catholics?

the church didnt split until around 1000 AD. until then christians and catholics were synonomous.

[Spirited Away]

Christians are PERSECUTED NOW?? GOOD. Maybe some other divine being has stepped in and punished you for all you've done in the past.

Catholics?

the church didnt split until around 1000 AD. until then christians and catholics were synonomous.

It's not good that Christians are persecuted because it's unethical to persecute any of your fellow human beings... BUT you're kind of right, because they're just getting a dose of their own medicine (but it's still wrong to support any kind of violent persecutions of any groups of people).

What Christians suffer now is probably NOTHING compared to what NON-Christians suffered in history.

[MrElsewhere]

very true..you pointed out some good things in your other post..

[*CEP*]

ha. you dont know Jesus.

Like you do?
Well, actually I do know Jesus.
He lives down the block from me. Cool guy.

So if you're talking about THE Jesus, then no. I don't. You don't either. Not even if you read the Bible...50 times.
That's like saying that you're acquainted with Harry Potter because you've read the books.
It's the same. Both pieces of literature. Believe it or not.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

So if you're talking about THE Jesus, then no. I don't. You don't either. Not even if you read the Bible...50 times.
That's like saying that you're acquainted with Harry Potter because you've read the books.
It's the same. Both pieces of literature. Believe it or not.

A perfectly reasonable and sound deduction.

The guy I'm seeing is saying that he established a relationship with God as well and reading the Bible is making that relationship stronger because it's "knowing God". I wonder if I can say what you've said and not get him upset at me....

[sadolakced acid]

no one alive knows jesus or god.

they just claim to.

i have yet to see a christian prove any part of their faith without siting the bible, saying you have to have faith, or that if you know god / jesus you will understand.

bible= not all true. you can't deny it. there's no way everything is true.
= edited. it's been changed to political correctness and to fit political agendas.


faith= i have faith. but not unreasonable faith. i have faith that when i press the brake pedal, my car slows down.


know god/ jesus= you're not dead yet. it doesn't work.

[Rachel]

Like you do?
Well, actually I do know Jesus.
He lives down the block from me. Cool guy.

So if you're talking about THE Jesus, then no. I don't. You don't either. Not even if you read the Bible...50 times.
That's like saying that you're acquainted with Harry Potter because you've read the books.
It's the same. Both pieces of literature. Believe it or not.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

wooooow you live down the street from me?!?!

[danyo]

i hate how christians look down on all other religions.
you can tell how messed up christians are when a christian is looking down on another christian.
i am a christian and i apologize to everybody that has ever felt like they were looked down, or felt as if a christian thought he/she was better than you.
i know it doesnt mean much but i really am sorry.
but i just hope that you guys don't completely shut all christians off.
not saying it is but IF the bible is right, you should at least keep your mind open not only because it might help you not to miss any information that might help you understand the way of life of a christian better and if not, understand life a bit better. i believe all religion have something we can learn from.

something i'd like to share is..
- guns don't kill people, people kill people using guns. right?
- my opinion is the way of life of a christian isn't bad, the christians[ people ] ruin the reputation for the way of life of a christian.
[ for the believers mostly ]
the reason why i say the way of life of a christian instead of "christianity" is because i don't believe in a religion. i don't believe there should be branches. christians seperated into groups, looking down on each other and what not. what you call yourself doesn't really matter does it? actions speak louder than words, and your heart speaks even louder than your actions. so if your heart is true to Him then you are christian, meaning you are with Christ, which only God knows and for you to find out on judgement day. and this goes for all religion as well when a person looks down on their religion just because you saw a bad example of someone who is in that certain religion.

and also..

jews are still persecuted for the 'killing of christ' when in fact, it was a christian who told the romans. a jew, but he converted.

i killed Jesus.. it was me because i needed a living sacrifice, someone pure to die for me. if it hadn't been for me and for anybody who feels me on this one, Jesus wouldn't have have to come down to earth in the first place. so nobody should be killing jews, better yet, no christian should kill anybody at all.

Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.

oh btw, i don't believe you should even care about what religion is harder and what religion is easier. you just need to search for the right one and personally, i do believe being a christian is easier. But just because Jesus is our "savior" doesnt mean we sin thinking, "oh, He will forgive me anyway". because if you really are a christian, and really have love for God and Jesus, you would follow his words. btw, i don't believe in the trinity, the father, the son, and the holy ghost being one. i've read that the trinity part was added by the catholics and wasn't in the Hebrew bible, the original. doesn't mean i'm not leaving it open for more information. and i dont judge the catholics either. i believe most catholics are true to themselves and others.

and if you disagree to anything i said here, feel free to disagree.
i'm simply juss sayin what i feel. not to force anyone to believe what i believe.

[sadolakced acid]

kudos to you, danyo. you are a true christian.

[tessashley]

I agree with the whole it being hard to be a christian... in other countries. So often we as christians feel sorry for ourselves for being looked down upon by the world... not other christians per say, the world in general. We feel sorry for ourselves for countless reasons. We fail to notice our fellow christians on the other side of the world dying for their faith. We don't have to do that. We are free to believe what we please, and keep our lives the way they are. I also agree with the whole 'when you die I won't have to tell you if God is real or not, He'll be in your face...' That's so true. The bible says that every knee shall bow and every mouth shall confess that He is God. I believe that churches are responsible for a lot of the people that are going to hell. The church itself puts it in peoples minds that if you come to church Sundays 'pay your dues' so to speak then you are saved, you're going to Heaven. That is so far from how it is. You have to live the lifestyle. You have to have the light of God shining through you everyday when you walk around. You can't pick and choose when and where you want to be a christian. It doesn't work like that. I am in complete love with God. He is the love of my life. I have never found anyone like Him. For me, God isn't just what I believe in. God is my life.

[CrimsonArchangel]

i hate how christians look down on all other religions.
you can tell how messed up christians are when a christian is looking down on another christian.
i am a christian and i apologize to everybody that has ever felt like they were looked down, or felt as if a christian thought he/she was better than you.
i know it doesnt mean much but i really am sorry.
but i just hope that you guys don't completely shut all christians off.
not saying it is but IF the bible is right, you should at least keep your mind open not only because it might help you not to miss any information that might help you understand the way of life of a christian better and if not, understand life a bit better. i believe all religion have something we can learn from.

something i'd like to share is..
- guns don't kill people, people kill people using guns. right?
- my opinion is the way of life of a christian isn't bad, the christians[ people ] ruin the reputation for the way of life of a christian.
[ for the believers mostly ]
the reason why i say the way of life of a christian instead of "christianity" is because i don't believe in a religion. i don't believe there should be branches. christians seperated into groups, looking down on each other and what not. what you call yourself doesn't really matter does it? actions speak louder than words, and your heart speaks even louder than your actions. so if your heart is true to Him then you are christian, meaning you are with Christ, which only God knows and for you to find out on judgement day. and this goes for all religion as well when a person looks down on their religion just because you saw a bad example of someone who is in that certain religion.

and also..


i killed Jesus.. it was me because i needed a living sacrifice, someone pure to die for me. if it hadn't been for me and for anybody who feels me on this one, Jesus wouldn't have have to come down to earth in the first place. so nobody should be killing jews, better yet, no christian should kill anybody at all.

Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.

oh btw, i don't believe you should even care about what religion is harder and what religion is easier. you just need to search for the right one and personally, i do believe being a christian is easier. But just because Jesus is our "savior" doesnt mean we sin thinking, "oh, He will forgive me anyway". because if you really are a christian, and really have love for God and Jesus, you would follow his words. btw, i don't believe in the trinity, the father, the son, and the holy ghost being one. i've read that the trinity part was added by the catholics and wasn't in the Hebrew bible, the original. doesn't mean i'm not leaving it open for more information. and i dont judge the catholics either. i believe most catholics are true to themselves and others.

and if you disagree to anything i said here, feel free to disagree.
i'm simply juss sayin what i feel. not to force anyone to believe what i believe.

Nicely said.

And I do agree with what you said about Chrisitianity. Christianity is the same all around. Its the people that take it too far that make it a thing that many people don't like.
If we think about it, in every set of beliefs (not gonna say religions...) there are people that take it too far. Fanatics they call them. Those people were the ones that caused the Crusades. They were the ones that burned people at the stakes. They are the ones that perform terrorist acts all over the world.
Its not the religions that cause people to do this things. Its their own warped minds.

This is also how I feel. Like danyo said, feel free to disagree. This is what this forum is for, is it not?

[sadolakced acid]

I agree with the whole it being hard to be a christian... in other countries. So often we as christians feel sorry for ourselves for being looked down upon by the world... not other christians per say, the world in general. We feel sorry for ourselves for countless reasons. We fail to notice our fellow christians on the other side of the world dying for their faith. We don't have to do that. We are free to believe what we please, and keep our lives the way they are. I also agree with the whole 'when you die I won't have to tell you if God is real or not, He'll be in your face...' That's so true. The bible says that every knee shall bow and every mouth shall confess that He is God. I believe that churches are responsible for a lot of the people that are going to hell. The church itself puts it in peoples minds that if you come to church Sundays 'pay your dues' so to speak then you are saved, you're going to Heaven. That is so far from how it is. You have to live the lifestyle. You have to have the light of God shining through you everyday when you walk around. You can't pick and choose when and where you want to be a christian. It doesn't work like that. I am in complete love with God. He is the love of my life. I have never found anyone like Him. For me, God isn't just what I believe in. God is my life.

it is not hard to be a 'christian' in the sense that most people claim to be christians.

in certain countries it is illegal yes... but in the sense that you are trying to confer, no.

[Spirited Away]

if you have a problem with Christians evangelizing, then go move to CHINA or somewhere where Christians aren't allowed to evangelize. As long as I live here in the states, I CAN evangelize however much i want. if you want to spread your religion around, go ahead. nobody's stopping you. do you see Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so.

Woa, I guess I didn't read closely and skiped this little silly comment.

I hope you know that Communism doesn't allow religion, any religion. They do so to discourage cultural and religious differences.

Anyway, I'm quite happy with staying in America where I can complain about other people's religion all I want. Sure you can "evangelize" (<-- such a nice word), but I can also preach my disbelief as well.

Nobody's stopping you from spreading your religion either, so why are you so worked up? But it's stupid to assume Buddhists "spread" their religion, because that's soooo wrong. Maybe, you were thinking of your own religion when you said that.

[IIO__oII]

You said it, sister.

I really don't understand why some of the Christians here are freaking out over this. Doesn't God teach you to love one another? Does it really make a difference if I believe in God or not? Does that make me less of a person than you are? ---And, you are making these decisions based on what a "divine being" (which you have no logical proof exists) tells you to do? It just doesn't make sense.

-Sarah

"freaking out" and "loving one another" are not the same thing.

i guess... people get overly excited when the debate. hehe

This is also how I feel. Like danyo said, feel free to disagree. This is what this forum is for, is it not? 

of course it it. its a debate forum, no?

[tessashley]

"freaking out" and "loving one another" are not the same thing.

True. I do believe in the whole loving everyone thing. Yes, Jesus did teach that. You should love everyone. How are you supposed to tell them about an all forgiving God when you have hate in your heart? The christians out there that think of themselves so much higher than the rest of the world, above any other religion ... it's absurd. Everyone was created equal right? I think it's time for everyone to start acting like it. We all have our own opinions about God. Some are right, and some are wrong. Who's to judge? I know I'm not! There is one ultimate judge, and I can't wait to meet Him face to face I also agree with the whole 'I'm perfectly happy staying in America...' I for one, want to go to a different country and tell people about Jesus. The bible says that He will not come until every able ear has heard the word of God. Some people think, ' Well wonderful, tell those people over there to hurry up and spread the word... ' but I think.... why wait for others to do it? Why not go over there myself and be apart of it? Why not me? I don't know how many of you people reading this agree with me, and how many of you disagree, I'm just sharing my opinion. Love always.

[danyo]

kudos to you, danyo. you are a true christian.

whoa.. thank you (: meant alot coming from you

[IIO__oII]

True. I do believe in the whole loving everyone thing. Yes, Jesus did teach that. You should love everyone. How are you supposed to tell them about an all forgiving God when you have hate in your heart? The christians out there that think of themselves so much higher than the rest of the world, above any other religion ... it's absurd. Everyone was created equal right? I think it's time for everyone to start acting like it. We all have our own opinions about God. Some are right, and some are wrong. Who's to judge? I know I'm not! There is one ultimate judge, and I can't wait to meet Him face to face I also agree with the whole 'I'm perfectly happy staying in America...' I for one, want to go to a different country and tell people about Jesus. The bible says that He will not come until every able ear has heard the word of God. Some people think, ' Well wonderful, tell those people over there to hurry up and spread the word... ' but I think.... why wait for others to do it? Why not go over there myself and be apart of it? Why not me? I don't know how many of you people reading this agree with me, and how many of you disagree, I'm just sharing my opinion. Love always.

wow. applauds. haha
yea.. my sister went on this mexico misson trip this summer.. said it was a powerful experience.
i'll go someday...

[tessashley]

wow. applauds. haha 
yea.. my sister went on this mexico misson trip this summer.. said it was a powerful experience.
i'll go someday...

Yeah I can't wait!!! :) I've mentioned that before, but wow. I'm sure it would be aaaamazing!

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[sadolakced acid]

missonary trips, eh?

i never liked those. some missionaries are almost cult like... yea... some guy in a priest's garb tried to convert me when i was in another country.

the thing is, you have free speech in this country, not everywhere.

what exactly do you do on a missonary trip anyways?

[CrimsonArchangel]

what exactly do you do on a missonary trip anyways?

I'm sick and tired of being taken for granted.... That's why I'm a loner. *sigh*

On to more pressing matters.

Missionary trips are not only for "converting" people, like you might think. In some trips, the sole purpose is to build schools, hospitals, low cost housing, that sort of thing. There are also trips that are done to distribute food and clothing.

Hope that helped.

[IIO__oII]

missonary trips, eh? 

i never liked those.  some missionaries are almost cult like...  yea...  some guy in a priest's garb tried to convert me when i was in another country. 

the thing is, you have free speech in this country, not everywhere. 

what exactly do you do on a missonary trip anyways?

on my sister's mexico mission's trip, she went with our church group-about 15 people. for 3 days, they stayed at an LA base where they went through training and practiced skits, puppet shows, speeches, games, etc... then they all went over to mexico, where they did VBS with the kids. the group brought over medicine where they cleaned and took care of the sick, preached the gospel to whoever wanted to hear it, did games and skits and took the little kids out to eat, built small houses for the people who didnt have houses....
mostly, they reached out and tried to help the poverty-stricken part of mexico.

[Spirited Away]

on my sister's mexico mission's trip, she went with our church group-about 15 people. for 3 days, they stayed at an LA base where they went through training and practiced skits, puppet shows, speeches, games, etc... then they all went over to mexico, where they did VBS with the kids. the group brought over medicine where they cleaned and took care of the sick, preached the gospel to whoever wanted to hear it, did games and skits and took the little kids out to eat, built small houses for the people who didnt have houses.... 
mostly, they reached out and tried to help the poverty-stricken part of mexico.

So, how exactly did they help poor people? By giving them jobs/money/clothes/food and talking them about God at the same time?

If they are there to preach about God because "He will not come until every able ear have heard the word of God", then it seems a pretty selfish cause.

Shooting two birds with one stone: "helping" and preaching so that Jesus will come sooner.

I understand that Missionaries have done good such as building schools and hospitals (this is one aspect I like about Christianity), but what I don't like is not giving children a choice to learn about other religions in such schools. All the kids will know about is God and they will think that God have help them, when in fact, it is the goodness of Man that helped them.

When I do volunteer work, I do it for the sole purpose of servicing others who may not be as fortunate in their lives as an middle class average person. I don't give a damn if such people don't believe in what I believe, I just hold on to the hope that they'll continue to live and return the favor to their community.

[tessashley]

The whole purpose of christianity is to serve others. Jesus would wash his desciples feet before they ate. Now, you think. The SON OF GOD washing other peoples feet. I would think that is a little backwards. They should be washing HIS feet! But He didn't care about that, He wanted to help others. Of course missionaries are going to tell people about God. We are His desciples. We are supposed to go and tell people about the great and mighty things that He did. So what if we can help at the same time? What is wrong with that? I can't find anything. It's not like they go over there with the attitude, "if I tell these people about God, He will come sooner" No, they go over there doing what they are meant to do and helping the less fortunate.

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