god, part 2 Options

[IIO__oII]

erg. baptized when you were a baby doesn't mean anything. whoever told you that was wrong. and by children i meant elementary.



surely, the bible doesn't talk about santa claus nor easter bunnies so it's not Christians who commercialized those holidays. it's the companies that's sucking out money from people, not the Christians... so it's not our fault.


oh and the "very reliable source"? please don't give me that crap. you don't know what reliable is cause you yourself are not a Chrisitan. as far as i'm concerned some BUM on the street can tell you that he/she's a Christian and tell you bunch of crap.

hrm. i think a lot of christians have different ideas whether all childeren go to heaven or not..
i heard that: children 3 or younger go to heaven... all children go to heaven... no children go to heaven... only the baptized ones go to heaven... babies who die while out of their mother's stomach go to hell...
all sorts of things.

[rAnd0m_strang3r]

Personally, I don't believe in God but I do believe that it's good to believe in something. I used to believe in God maybe.. two three years ago? But then I would tell people I was atheist, because I wasn't sure, and I wasn't fully believing it. When I told people I didn't believe in God they would try to convert me and I just kept thinking of things to oppose whatever they'd say. So now I am a full-fledged agnostic, and I personally don't understand how anybody can believe in something they have no proof of existing. I think that people who are overly-religious are in a cult-like situation and it gets out of hand sometimes. That's just my opinion though >.<

[Guarneri]

Personally, I don't believe in God but I do believe that it's good to believe in something. I used to believe in God maybe.. two three years ago? But then I would tell people I was atheist, because I wasn't sure, and I wasn't fully believing it. When I told people I didn't believe in God they would try to convert me and I just kept thinking of things to oppose whatever they'd say. So now I am a full-fledged agnostic, and I personally don't understand how anybody can believe in something they have no proof of existing. I think that people who are overly-religious are in a cult-like situation and it gets out of hand sometimes. That's just my opinion though >.<

ok. what proof? do you want GOD to just show up to your face and say "I AM GOD"?

[*CEP*]

ok. what proof? do you want GOD to just show up to your face and say "I AM GOD"?

Basically, yes.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Rachel]

Of course, some non-Christians think we're know-it-alls because we say our religion is the only right one, but it's the same with doctors. If you were really sick, and a doctor told you to take Medicine A and it's the only way to survive, would you not take it because you think that the doctor is just lying for his own sake? No. You have to have fatih that the medicine will work, or that God exists. We're telling you that our "medicine" works. Now whether you take it or not is up to you.

i can take that right back around and say that some christians are know-it-alls who DO try to shove their religion down my throat. ive had plenty of em come up to me and try to preach.

do i think all of you are? NO. but some of you christians need to like accept others religion. i accept yours, i dont think its all right and true, but at least i let you be. i dont try to convince others to be jewish. your "medicine" isnt going to help everyone. it might work for you, but trying to tell other people can just piss them off...

[ComradeRed]

www.bibletruths.com --> shows that the concept of hell goes directly against what is actually written in the scripture.

Hell also goes against concepts of justice in the Catholic Catechism. It is said that punishment is only justified FOR THE SAKE OF REHABILITATION. But if you are in hell forever, it is impossible to rehabilitate, therefore punishment is unjust.

[sadolakced acid]

alright, if i was sick, i'd know i was sick.

your `medicine' i.e. christianity, 'cures'... a threat which i do not see, i do not feel. how is it the same?

yes, i belive you will eventually get out of hell. it's a concept that i like.


but what i don't like is that the nonbelivers are doomed.

[F1R3B4T]

i do not believe in god. thats why i dont understnad who ppl are blaming when they haf bad luck

[abberdabber]

but what i don't like is that the nonbelivers are doomed.

OK First of all, you, as an un-believer, are not doomed. You have the oppurtunity just like everyone else on Earth, to accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour. It is so petty to sit amongst ourselves and nit pick about the different rules of our religions. We are wasting our time! We have been put here, on this Earth, to reach out and to make a difference in our communities. We are supposed to LIVE the life.. not talk about it all of the time. Reach people through your actions, and your testimonies.. Too often we are caught up in Changing People's Hearts When All that God has called us to do is plant the seed. You're not practicing God's love when you're bashing people over the head with what you know as right. People have different views. We have to accept that. All that we can do,(As Christians) is pray for them. When you are talking to an un-believer, DONT argue with them about your God. Dont try to make them understand what you believe. It says in

I Corinthians 1:18 ".. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

' I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' ...."

Isnt it funny how people read the Bible then say, " Well, I'm offended, The bible says .. yada yada yada..but I dont believe in that. That goes against what my parents taught me.. " OR "Well the Bible was written in Biblical times, those things need to be modernized..."

When faced with a situation like the above, just let them know that the Bible was written for us to conform our lives to. Not for us to pick and choose the parts we like or dislike. For the other situation, I say, God's word is everlasting God is all knowing, when we say that His word needs to be modernized, we are assuming that God didnt know how things were going to get in the future generations.. like I said before God is all knowing He knew as time went on that satan would slowly start to dominate our society. Whether you want to see it or not, He is all around us.

This Reply is not meant for those of you that do not believe. It will seem like foolishness to you. But to the Christians all around me I say: Pay Attention! for the time will come when every knee will bow and every mouth will confess.

[sadolakced acid]

i mean, that AS and nonbeliver, i will go to hell.

that is what i don't like.

why should nonbelivers go to hell?

You have the oppurtunity just like everyone else on Earth, to accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour

i say, stop telling me to f---ing worship jesus. jesus of nazzarus is not my saviour, is not the messiah. he is an enlightend HUMAN. a bastard at that (god was never married to mary. ) does that make god a rapist too?

i will never convert to christianity. so you say i am doomed. that is why i will never convert. because, if i did, it'd be because some christian said i'd burn in hell forever for not converting.

i am the antichrist. if everything that christians say about god and life after death is correct, i'd be happy to burn. why? because this alpowerful god will not save people who do not belive in him.

i am a follower of the golden compass.

god is power hunger

jesus is human.

what i do not like about christianity is that if you do not belive when you die, you will burn forever in hell. it's just a tactic to get people to worship god, that's my opinion. becuase if god was truely good, he wouldn't care whether or not you belived in him. he'd save you anyways.

[IIO__oII]

Basically, yes.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

that'll happen on Judgement day.

but by then, it might be too late.

[sadolakced acid]

judgment day, right.

tell you what. when you die, tell me if god exists.

let me ask all of you christians out there ; were you born christian? were you ever a 'nonbeliver'? did you ever listen to the argments of a christian without your faith that god exists?

i think christianity is ok. their churches help people. it (is suppost to ) teaches people to be good and all.

what i don't like, is first, jesus- how many people worship him. jesus freaks, spreading jesus's word. use god if you're really worshiping god. jesus is just the messenger.

and, that non belivers will burn forever. just because they didn't belive when they died.

[princess2113]

Basically, yes.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

ppl alwayz wanted God to do that...SO HE DID! HELLO...JESUS!!!! u got what u wanted...He sent His Son...DUHER

[sadolakced acid]

cough. cough. i never really got the whole, god impregnating mary thing.

but either way, that makes jesus his own father.

[MrElsewhere]

what i do not like about christianity is that if you do not belive when you die, you will burn forever in hell. it's just a tactic to get people to worship god, that's my opinion. becuase if god was truely good, he wouldn't care whether or not you belived in him. he'd save you anyways.

YES!! God should save ALL people, believers and non-believers..i agree wif dis person...

i would also lyke to add..i hope dis hasnt been pointed out already..

Christianity is one of the world's easiest religions. How you ask? Well, you just have to have God in your heart and mind, and VOILA! you're saved. Compared to say, Islam, Christianity is like a vacation. All Muslims have to pray SEVERAL times a day and make a journey to Mecca at least once a lifetime. In Buddhism, you have to meditate for several hours a day. How many christians do you know that can sit with their minds completely blank for hours at a time AND search for enlightenment? Christianity is the true religion? I think that they just made it easier so as to attract more people. In the Middle Ages, Christianity was a LOT different that it was now.

[sadolakced acid]

i'm buddhist and i don't pray for hours. i guess i'm not a true buddhist tho- i don't really practice and i dislike christians ( any that tells me i'm doomed to hell or trys to convert me) but i belive in buddhism's teachings. and if i didn't, i'd still wouldn't go to hell just for not beliving.

[MrElsewhere]

yea me either..but mai parents r..wen i get older maybe i'll follow in dere footsteps.

next time sum Jesus freaks try to convert me im juss gonna explain to them buddhism..have a nice long debate..tire em out..ya knoe? hehe..

(God pt 3 ne body?)

[Ze world is a Ma...]

ok i know this is a debat and all but why bother argue about it just leave the believers and non believers be if they want to believe such things let them if they dont so what they'll get their pay soon enough
only until we die do we know the truth and til then LEAVE IT BE

[*CEP*]

ppl alwayz wanted God to do that...SO HE DID! HELLO...JESUS!!!! u got what u wanted...He sent His Son...DUHER

Jesus was sooooo 2000 years ago.
Pshh. C'mon. The could've easily been lying.
How do I know? I don't. But how do you know that he truly is the son of God? The bible? The people who wrote about Jesus, did it decades after he died. They could've been wrong.

- Chinkieeyepdnoi

[IIO__oII]

YES!! God should save ALL people, believers and non-believers..i agree wif dis person...

i would also lyke to add..i hope dis hasnt been pointed out already..

Christianity is one of the world's easiest religions.  How you ask?  Well, you just have to have God in your heart and mind, and VOILA! you're saved.  Compared to say, Islam, Christianity is like a vacation.  All Muslims have to pray SEVERAL times a day and make a journey to Mecca at least once a lifetime.  In Buddhism, you have to meditate for several hours a day.  How many christians do you know that can sit with their minds completely blank for hours at a time AND search for enlightenment?  Christianity is the true religion?  I think that they just made it easier so as to attract more people.  In the Middle Ages, Christianity was a LOT different that it was now.

you REALLY think its easy being a Christian nowadays?...
i guess you've been only looking at the good parts of being a christian.
so many christians are being persecuted for their faith in other contries, like iraq, north korea, etc...
and even here in the US, many christians are being tempted by temptations every single day of our lives.

and it is not just "ok, jesus is here in my heart to stay. i am going to go to heaven no matter what, now."
if we really have and want to stay in with GOd, then we need to focus on following him and keeping our faith.

its not that easy.

[Spirited Away]

you REALLY think its easy being a Christian nowadays?...
i guess you've been only looking at the good parts of being a christian.
so many christians are being persecuted for their faith in other contries, like iraq, north korea, etc...

You really think that it was easy being a non-believer for the last 2000 years? Christians, in the name of God, persecuted believers of other faiths by murdering, pillaging, raping, burning, massacring, ENSLAVING... etc.

Christians actually made it harder to discover new knowledge and persecuted the most intellectual beings in history (i.e Gallileo). They burned books, libraries containing Pagan teachings.

According to John Chrysostom, who belonged to the Holy Hierarch of Constantinople, "the slave should be resigned to his lot... in obeying his master he is obeying God."

Copernicus did not let HIS version of the heliocentric model (sun centered system) be known until he was old, out of FEAR that the Church will brand him a heretic. Thus, proving that knowledge is supressed by the Christian faith. Any well-learned individual would know of the obstacles Copernicus and Gallileo had to go through because of religion.

And St Augustine deemed that "since God has spoken to us it is no longer necessary for us to think."

Why should man NOT think? What happened to free will?

Okay, so you say that it's not easy being Christian? Sure, nowdays, because the many of the Western World allows freedom of religion in modern times, it makes you young Christians think that all Christians are innocent. Your Sunday school teachers may have forgotten to teach you about how Christians, in the name of Christ, slaughter "heretics" like they're flies.

You think Jesus Christ suffered? I think there were non-Christians in history who suffered just the same, if not more.

[ryfitaDF]

you REALLY think its easy being a Christian nowadays?...
i guess you've been only looking at the good parts of being a christian.
so many christians are being persecuted for their faith in other contries, like iraq, north korea, etc...
and even here in the US, many christians are being tempted by temptations every single day of our lives.

christians are getting persecuted? awesome! payback time for all the "witches" you burnt and tossed off cliffs.

Christianity is one of the world's easiest religions. How you ask? Well, you just have to have God in your heart and mind, and VOILA!

atheism is alot easier than that. all you have to do is nothing and VOILA! you're free of any fake spirituality holding you back from living a good life.

Why should man NOT think? What happened to free will?

tru dat. if god were real wouldn't he want us to be happy and think for ourselves?

[Guarneri]

judgment day, right. 

tell you what.  when you die, tell me if god exists.

let me ask all of you christians out there ;  were you born christian?  were you ever a 'nonbeliver'?  did you ever listen to the argments of a christian without your faith that god exists? 

i think christianity is ok.  their churches help people.  it (is suppost to ) teaches people to be good and all. 

what i don't like, is first, jesus-  how many people worship him.  jesus freaks, spreading jesus's word.  use god if you're really worshiping god.  jesus is just the messenger. 

and, that non belivers will burn forever.  just because they didn't belive when they died.

believe it or not.... it's soon.

when you die.. i don't need to tell you that GOD exists... cause GOD will be in YOUR FACE sending you to hell.

the BIBLE is the oldest yet the most accurate historical evidence in the modern world today. fool.

jesus is not the messenger. get your facts straight. Jesus IS GOD.

ok if you don't like how non believers will go to hell and burn forever then believe and go to heaven. Christianity isn't about WHAT YOU LIKE and what YOU DON'T LIKE..... CHRISTIANITY is about GOD. not you. it's not about GOD meeting YOUR NEEDS and YOUR CRAP... Christianity is what it is.

if you have a problem with Christians evangelizing, then go move to CHINA or somewhere where Christians aren't allowed to evangelize. As long as I live here in the states, I CAN evangelize however much i want. if you want to spread your religion around, go ahead. nobody's stopping you. do you see Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so.

and you talk about how Christians persecuted people. ok. those were catholics. totally different.

i don't know... if you really loved your dog.... would you let it go run around and get killed by a car? if not.. let me ask you a question. if YOU were real wouldn't YOU want YOUR DOG to be happy and think for him/her-self?

[ryfitaDF]

when you die.. i don't need to tell you that GOD exists... cause GOD will be in YOUR FACE sending you to hell.

and when you die no will have to tell you god doesn't exist. you won't even realise it cause you'll be dead. i'd rather be with "satan" anyway. his followers kill less people and for better reasons than a misunderstandings and miscomunications.

the BIBLE is the oldest yet the most accurate historical evidence in the modern world today. fool.

acurate. yep. all those people walking on water and tutning it into wine can voucher for it? fool.

jesus is not the messenger. get your facts straight. Jesus IS GOD.

this prooves that god is dead.

ok if you don't like how non believers will go to hell and burn forever then believe and go to heaven. Christianity isn't about WHAT YOU LIKE and what YOU DON'T LIKE..... CHRISTIANITY is about GOD. not you. it's not about GOD meeting YOUR NEEDS and YOUR CRAP... Christianity is what it is.

i'm pretty sure what he means is he donesn't like how you preach what he knows as lies and tell him to believe it. imagine somone coming up to you and saying "believe in unicorns and pixies or i'll cause you eternal pain". you're tihnking "bull!". but people keep pestering you and pestering you to believe in the stupid uincorn you know isn't real. they even threaten to beat you up unless you believe in the stupid unicorn. they hand you panflits and books about how wrong you are for believing in god and not believing in the unicorn. you'd be pretty angry too, i think.

if it's not about god meeting our needs it's about us meeting his. why would i want to obey somthing i have no way of knowing it exists? atheism is about the abcense of god. it's about you meeting your own needs and not taking any gods' crap.

if you have a problem with Christians evangelizing, then go move to CHINA or somewhere where Christians aren't allowed to evangelize. As long as I live here in the states, I CAN evangelize however much i want. if you want to spread your religion around, go ahead. nobody's stopping you. do you see Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so.

how bout america was founded because people were tired of being told what to believe. if you wanna tell people what to believe move to some nazi country and become the dictator. if you have the freedom to tell me i'm going to hell i have the freedom to tell you that christianity is the biggest, longest lasting bulls*** cult that it's followers are too stupid to realise they're being played as fools.


buddshists don't spread their religion. has a buddhist even knocked on your door and gave toy 20 panfilts telling you you're wrong with your entire life? and if buddhists did try to get people to convert i'm sure christians would wage some kinda of holy war against them. it's their bigot nature.

[sadolakced acid]

alright, that pissed me off, so i'm gonna use the most powerful tool avalible- the point by point breakdown,


your post-

believe it or not.... it's soon.

when you die.. i don't need to tell you that GOD exists... cause GOD will be in YOUR FACE sending you to hell.

the BIBLE is the oldest yet the most accurate historical evidence in the modern world today. fool.

jesus is not the messenger. get your facts straight. Jesus IS GOD.

ok if you don't like how non believers will go to hell and burn forever then believe and go to heaven. Christianity isn't about WHAT YOU LIKE and what YOU DON'T LIKE..... CHRISTIANITY is about GOD. not you. it's not about GOD meeting YOUR NEEDS and YOUR CRAP... Christianity is what it is.

if you have a problem with Christians evangelizing, then go move to CHINA or somewhere where Christians aren't allowed to evangelize. As long as I live here in the states, I CAN evangelize however much i want. if you want to spread your religion around, go ahead. nobody's stopping you. do you see Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so.

and you talk about how Christians persecuted people. ok. those were catholics. totally different.

i don't know... if you really loved your dog.... would you let it go run around and get killed by a car? if not.. let me ask you a question. if YOU were real wouldn't YOU want YOUR DOG to be happy and think for him/her-self?

here= point by point breakdown. and i mean breakdown.


1. believe it or not.... it's soon. - you think it's soon. yet when you find out, you can't tell use if it exists. point void. no one can truely know whether judgement day exists and tell anyone who will be facing it soon.

2. when you die.. i don't need to tell you that GOD exists... cause GOD will be in YOUR FACE sending you to hell. - ahh, yet another stupid christian condemning me to hell. don't you see? this is why i distain christianity. you know nothing of my sins. yet you are quick to condemn me to hell, simply because i don't belive in jesus.

3. the BIBLE is the oldest yet the most accurate historical evidence in the modern world today. fool. - the bible is not old. what are you going by? king james version? is that the original? that wasn't even made from the original. it is not old, not any bible refrenced today. point void. most accurate historical evidence... alright... i'll give you it's accurate in some areas. historical fiction. did you know that moses was guided by a UFO out of egypt? or, rather, a cigar shaped craft. and did you know, that in the old testemant, no angel has wings? oh yes, they fly. but they errily resembly aliens. now, you say it's the most accurate historical evidece, which is wrong. archiologists can dig up very accurate evidence. now if you mean document, then again, you are wrong. there are preserved documents in the far east older than the bible.

4. jesus is not the messenger. get your facts straight. Jesus IS GOD. -oh, i know all about your 'trinity' the father, the son, the holy spirt. so, let me get this straight... god impregnated a young girl, and she gave birth to god. god sent god, or his son. the point is, god sent jesus, no? if jesus is god, then use god. by the way, he is a messenger, because he was sent to save us, by teaching us, no? messenger.

5. ok if you don't like how non believers will go to hell and burn forever then believe and go to heaven. Christianity isn't about WHAT YOU LIKE and what YOU DON'T LIKE..... CHRISTIANITY is about GOD. not you. it's not about GOD meeting YOUR NEEDS and YOUR CRAP... Christianity is what it is. - yes, i don't like that part of christianity. i don't care if chrisitanity isn't about what i like. if i don't like chrisitainty, i will hate it as much as i want. if christianity is about god, then why do you live? go meet your maker. if god doesn't meet my needs, then what need do i have of god? you call yourself christian. no, not physical needs. god will forfill spiritual needs.

6. if you have a problem with Christians evangelizing, then go move to CHINA or somewhere where Christians aren't allowed to evangelize. - i do have a problem with with christians evangelizing. but it is their freedom to do so, so i only get angry when they try to convert me. once i tell them to go away, and they still try to convert me, that is infinging upon my freedom of religion.

7. As long as I live here in the states, I CAN evangelize however much i want. -yes, and i can ignore you and get you arrested for harrasment as much as i want, if you come to my door repeatedly trying to convert me. it is my freedom to ignore your religion, and it is a crime to harry me about it, no? but that's what evangels will do.

8. if you want to spread your religion around, go ahead. nobody's stopping you. -oh, you see, but i'm nicer than that. you have your own religion, i'm fine with that. the reason i'm in this forum debating it is, it's a debate forum. in real life, i leave you alone.

9. do you see Christians compaining about Buddhists spreading their religion?? NO. i don't think so. - oh you picked the wrong religion to use as an example. do you know why christians don't complain about Buddhists spreading their religion? because we DON'T. we don't convert people. that is why. maybe you should know a bit about other religions before you try to attack them.

10. and you talk about how Christians persecuted people. ok. those were catholics. totally different. - how is that different? people were killed in the name of jesus. women were raped in the name of god. children were massacred in the name of the holy land. crusades, anyone? jews are still persecuted for the 'killing of christ' when in fact, it was a christian who told the romans. a jew, but he converted.

11. don't know... if you really loved your dog.... would you let it go run around and get killed by a car? if not.. let me ask you a question. if YOU were real wouldn't YOU want YOUR DOG to be happy and think for him/her-self? - so god is a dog owner, and we are dogs? the point is, i am not god's human. nor are you. god does not own any person. although, i'm not sure what this point is arguing, i can assure you, if you're relating the dog owner to god, and the humans to dogs, i sugest you not take that further.