god, part 2 Options

[sadolakced acid]

so you are a follower of signs and not the village?

signs- M Night Shamalyan- promotes blind faith

the village- M Night Shamalyan- destorys and idea that blind faith is good.

i follow the village.

blind faith is blind. that's how you walk off the cliff.

[danyo]

how do you know i'm blind? you've never seen the world through my eyes, you've never experienced His presense, you don't know what i'm goin throu and been throu.

[danyo]

i can't judge you for how spiritual you are nor can you judge me for how spiritual i am because you've never been me. you only hear what i say after what've been through, not what experience itself.

"sorry for the double post"

[sadolakced acid]

my point is that all anyone offers as proof there is a god is blind faith.

i've felt something before, that people might mistake for god. but i know it's a surge of endorphines.

i realized i was god when i was praying and realized i was talking to myself.

[danyo]

and maybe my point is..
"i realized i was god when i was praying and realized i was talking to myself."
unless you've been me, you cant say it's blind faith.
i've had many prayers answered.

the truth can not be taught, it can only be told

[Spirited Away]

i've had many prayers answered.

If it works so well for you, have you tried to pray for world peace? Or at least for the poor hungry and/or sick children around the world?

the truth can not be taught, it can only be told

Are you telling me that scientists around the world and in history was "told" to make a discovery and that they didn't do it by research and expriment?

Remember Gallileo? Yea, he's the dude that died in vain because some religious Bible thumpers said that he was in the wrong. So... I don't know what kind of "truth" you've been told, but some truths in religion has been proven to be quite useless and false.

[danyo]

If it works so well for you, have you tried to pray for world peace? Or at least for the poor hungry and/or sick children around the world?

have you? as long as we still have non-believers doubting, how can any help be given to them? When they dont believe in Him how can they receieve the help given to them by someone they don't believe in? They wont take it even though He wants to given them help.

Are you telling me that scientists around the world and in history was "told" to make a discovery and that they didn't do it by research and expriment?

o.O dont know what you gettin all worked up about..
that's a simple quote that means when someone teaches/tells you something, its your decision whether you believe it or not. So all someone can do to you is say what they believe [it can only be told], you decide whether you believe it or not [it can't be taught, meaning they can't making you into believe what they believe]
my apology if it wasn't clear =/


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you said exactly what i meant from the teachers debate page.

I mean, how do you teach someone something, when they don't care to be taught?

[Spirited Away]

have you? as long as we still have non-believers doubting, how can any help be given to them? When they dont believe in Him how can they receieve the help given to them by someone they don't believe in? They wont take it even though He wants to given them help.

That's really funny. Why would I pray for world peace when I know that it's useless to do so? Hmm? Hmm? I'm asking you because you claim praying works!

I hope you know that many hungry children are Christians or at least they do believe in God because there are missionaries who try to "help" them by giving food and preaching at the same time. BUT are you telling me that God won't help someone who doesn't believe in Him? How do you know they don't accept help? Help comes from all sorts of "miracles". Don't tell me God is so helpless as to not know how to make wheat grow...

o.O dont know what you gettin all worked up about..
that's a simple quote that means when someone teaches/tells you something, its your decision whether you believe it or not. So all someone can do to you is say what they believe [it can only be told], you decide whether you believe it or not [it can't be taught, meaning they can't making you into believe what they believe]
my apology if it wasn't clear =/

Hmm after taking several literature classes, I think I'm quite capable of analyzing a simple saying. Therefore, I'm perfectly "clear" what the quote suggests. HOWEVER, I'm "getting all worked up about" it because it TOTALLY doesn't apply to what you're saying as I have said that scientists are NOT "told" to discover anything, but it takes years of expiriments and research, thank you very much.

[danyo]

i give up fae you win

[Spirited Away]

i give up fae you win

I win what? I wasn't aware my points and questions were in some contest...

[sadolakced acid]

as long as there are christians who insist they're right upon faith and think nonbelivers are stupid, i will not belive. i will even adopt the title anitchrist. just to piss off jesus freaks.

[CrimsonArchangel]

as long as there are christians who insist they're right upon faith and think nonbelivers are stupid, i will not belive. i will even adopt the title anitchrist. just to piss off jesus freaks.

I'm sorry... I don't mean to offend you, but that is really funny. I give you props.

And I'm gonna have to agree with you on

as long as there are christians who insist they're right upon faith and think nonbelivers are stupid

If I was a non-believer I would feel the same way. I mean, how can you (general statement) make someone believe in what you believe if you insist everyone else is wrong and is going to hell? Just doesn't work that way.

If it works so well for you, have you tried to pray for world peace? Or at least for the poor hungry and/or sick children around the world?

Maybe these things are not so easy to do... humans chose to be how they are now. I know it sounds harsh... it did to me and still does... but maybe those children suffer because of what their parents did... maybe God is waiting for them to get a better understanding of life to help them. They themselves have to ask for help...

All of this is just my own opinion.

[Spirited Away]

Maybe these things are not so easy to do... humans chose to be how they are now. I know it sounds harsh... it did to me and still does... but maybe those children suffer because of what their parents did... maybe God is waiting for them to get a better understanding of life to help them. They themselves have to ask for help...

All of this is just my own opinion.

I see your point.. but then wouldn't it be something like Karma? I mean, if it was something their parents have done, then shouldn't it be their parents who pay the price? Children are mostly innocent until they're force into a situation where they must be hostile to survive. If God can take away those situations (and if He exists, He can because he's all powerful), then we'd all be innocents.

[princess2113]

if it was something their parents have done, then shouldn't it be their parents who pay the price

Jesus paid the price, no one said it was fair

[Spirited Away]

Jesus paid the price, no one said it was fair

Jesus paid for who? Christians?

Edit:: What I mean is... I DO NOT know this "Jesus" of yours, but I do know that, CURRENTLY, in the modern world (living proof) that there are injustics done to children that are helpless to change their situation.

Jesus is an imaginary being to me. He's not helping anyone, BUT those who have a mindset that He is, which makes no sense.

[Dance0nTheAshes]

religions commercialized... how?

Well..I think what I meant to say was religious holidays.

Examples?

What in the hell does the real meaning of christmas have to do with a jolly old fat man flying to peoples houses in a sleigh guided by 8 reindeer (one of which has a glowing nose) so he can break into your house and give your kids tons of presents?

And Easter...let's not forget about the big bunny that comes to your house to hide the eggs that you spend an hour on dying the night before, and leaves you a basket of candy and toys?


Why do we have such silly traditions? Well let's think. Who really gives the gifts on christmas? Parents. And who buys the eggs, dye, and candy and toys on easter? The parents.

What I'm getting at here is that companies make millions and billions off of people each year around these holidays (and others). These Holidays, that were founded on religious grounds, have lost their meaning and are now just ways for companies to suck money out of people.

[IIO__oII]

I see your point.. but then wouldn't it be something like Karma? I mean, if it was something their parents have done, then shouldn't it be their parents who pay the price? Children are mostly innocent until they're force into a situation where they must be hostile to survive. If God can take away those situations (and if He exists, He can because he's all powerful), then we'd all be innocents.

but then, we grow out of our innocence and become adults... and we have to make our own choices-what to belive

[Spirited Away]

but then, we grow out of our innocence and become adults... and we have to make our own choices-what to belive 

What do you mean?

Okay, here's the thing: You or someone said earlier that people who heard of Jesus and choose not to believe will go to Hell. Well guess what? Christianity then is something that condems people to Hell. Why? If a person has never heard of God, then they'd be an innocent and must still go to Hell because God doesn't (cannot) help those who do not believe in Him (almost like He's helpless to help, thus contradicting His title as an all powerful being). Christianity (more specifically, some Christians rather) then, forces a person to believe, or suffer the consequence of Hell... not much free will there if you ask me.

Of course we have to make our own choices as adults, but I was talking about CHILDREN, poor children who do not have the means to know right from wrong because their survival instincts bade them to do things that may not be ethical.

[Guarneri]

What do you mean?

Okay, here's the thing: You or someone said earlier that people who heard of Jesus and choose not to believe will go to Hell. Well guess what? Christianity then is something that condems people to Hell. Why? If a person has never heard of God, then they'd be an innocent and must still go to Hell because God doesn't (cannot) help those who do not believe in Him (almost like He's helpless to help, thus contradicting His title as an all powerful being). Christianity (more specifically, some Christians rather) then, forces a person to believe, or suffer the consequence of Hell... not much free will there if you ask me.

Of course we have to make our own choices as adults, but I was talking about CHILDREN, poor children who do not have the means to know right from wrong because their survival instincts bade them to do things that may not be ethical.

Children go to heaven whether they know God or not.

[Guarneri]

Well..I think what I meant to say was religious holidays.

Examples?

What in the hell does the real meaning of christmas have to do with a jolly old fat man flying to peoples houses in a sleigh guided by 8 reindeer (one of which has a glowing nose) so he can break into your house and give your kids tons of presents?

And Easter...let's not forget about the big bunny that comes to your house to hide the eggs that you spend an hour on dying the night before, and leaves you a basket of candy and toys?


Why do we have such silly traditions? Well let's think. Who really gives the gifts on christmas? Parents. And who buys the eggs, dye, and candy and toys on easter? The parents.

What I'm getting at here is that companies make millions and billions off of people each year around these holidays (and others). These Holidays, that were founded on religious grounds, have lost their meaning and are now just ways for companies to suck money out of people.

and who's fault is this?

[sadolakced acid]

so children go to heaven no matter what... and i will not because i don't belive?

it sounds to me that god isn't trying to save anyone, just get more people in his posse.

come on, you burn if you don't join me, you'll get an eternity in heaven if you do....

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A COMMERCIAL OF AUTO INSURANCE!!!!

[IIO__oII]

Children go to heaven whether they know God or not.

please dont double post. thank you.

i dont think that children go to heaven whether they know God or not. i think when they leave the "innocence" stage, they have to make their decision.
thats what i think. im not really sure on this. i guess noone is too sure on anything. christianity might be a lie, it might be real. there might be a God, might be 3 gods. may be a heaven, maybe a hell.
i guess it all depends on how you were raised, and the information you were exposed to when you were growing and maturing..

[Spirited Away]

Children go to heaven whether they know God or not.

Actually, are you SURE? A very reliable source told me otherwise. What denomination are you in? I actually heard that unbaptized babies do go to hell from a Baptist.

and who's fault is this?

Who's fault do you think?

[Guarneri]

Actually, are you SURE? A very reliable source told me otherwise. What denomination are you in? I actually heard that unbaptized babies do go to hell from a Baptist.



Who's fault do you think?

erg. baptized when you were a baby doesn't mean anything. whoever told you that was wrong. and by children i meant elementary.



surely, the bible doesn't talk about santa claus nor easter bunnies so it's not Christians who commercialized those holidays. it's the companies that's sucking out money from people, not the Christians... so it's not our fault.


oh and the "very reliable source"? please don't give me that crap. you don't know what reliable is cause you yourself are not a Chrisitan. as far as i'm concerned some BUM on the street can tell you that he/she's a Christian and tell you bunch of crap.

[sadolakced acid]

do not different denominations of christianity belive differently?