gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[Spirited Away]

I know from personal experience, why isn't that good enough?

Sure, that's good enough for you, but not enough for other people. You have to understand that so long as you can form an opinion, other people can, too, as you say.

Obviously if a gay couple is trying to force they're children to be gay like them it's because they're screwed up in the head, not just because they're gay, because if all gay people did that, I'd be gay by now, right? As would you?

No, I wouldn't be, because not everyone is gay and everyone is different. Like I said, nature v nurture has yet to come to compromise, therefore, how can you be so sure that enviroment has nothing to do with homosexuality? You'd have to prove a lot of scientists and theories wrong if you were to say nurture is the driving force in homosexuality, and I'm sure neither you nor I can debate on that level... I suppose we can try.

Because if that were true, don't you think those two women you saw kissing would've used their evil gay-rays of death on you too?
My mothers are gay and my girlfreind is bi so...

Now that's being childish . I'm not saying that their "gay-rays" would cause death, I only said that what they do is immoral based on my ethics, and the last time I checked, I live in a country where if gay people can kiss in public, I can say that they're being immoral.

Also that's your opinion, and you have a right to your opinion just like everyone else, but so do homosexuals, and if they get the rights to be married, you're just going to have to suck it up and deal.

Actually, I don't have to suck it up and deal because I can vote yes/no on whether or not they can marry. Get it? It's call the right to vote. Of course homosexuals are entitled to the same right, so it's fair game.

As for comparing homosexuality to insest or adult/child relationships, thats like comparing apples and oranges, sure they're both fruit, but they're totally different.

Actually, it's not much different, and I don't think you understand my comment on that. If marriage rights can extend to homosexuals, why can they not extend to incest couples? What's the difference? Both groups claim they can love, do they not?

Most children are too immature and ignorant to understand matters of love, and are often tricked into a relationship with a teacher or older adult, and can be mental damaging, same for insest, also insest causes horrible birth defects.

What if incest couples do not want children, but only to consumate their love? Would you deny them of that after claiming that homosexuals deserve to marry because of their love?

No one was really killed from homosexual sex or kissing, and sodomy isn't a homosexual thing, straight couples can sodomize each other as well.

Wrong. Have you ever heard of something called AIDs? Sure, straight couples can sodomize all they want, and it would still be a moral thing to do, in my opinion (with certain restrictions of course).

You arn't being forced to marry a homosexual person, or forced to watch them have sex, so I don't see why you complain about seeing gay couples kiss, it was your choice to look, wasn't it?

Hmm, it wasn't much of a choice when they sit right in front of me, nor would it be a choice when I walk down the street and happen to see them kiss. I'm not being force to marry a girl, nor am I forced to have sex with one, but I am forced to give up part of a society to what I consider immoral, therefore, it's very much in my right to complain.

[sadolakced acid]

they're gonna be gay whether you like it or not.

they're going to be together whether you let them get married or not.

just let them get married. it's just a status that lets you get tax deductions and marriage benifits. although i would prefer it be called a 'legal partnership' with the same benifits as a marriage.

[Spirited Away]

they're gonna be gay whether you like it or not. 

they're going to be together whether you let them get married or not. 

just let them get married.  it's just a status that lets you get tax deductions and marriage benifits.  although i would prefer it be called a 'legal partnership'  with the same benifits as a marriage.

I, and many others, will be discriminating whether you like it or not. However, I do not agree discrimination on a violent level.

I, and many others, will continue to dislike what we consider immoral whether or not their marriages are legalized.

Just let us think for ourselves. It's just an opinion because we are as free to do so as they are free to marry in some states.

[Gribbie]

Wrong. Have you ever heard of something called AIDs?

Yes, you're right the Homosexuals make AIDS while having sex, it kills them instantly, and straight couples never get it.
HIV STARTED in the gay community, but was not CAUSED by it. the first man whom got it was a homosexual, but that doesn't mean anything, it could have been any group of people to find it first, it's a virus. Technicly it started in monkeys anyway.

[sadolakced acid]

i enjoy a good argument, and that was not an attempt to stop people from argueing, but it was my opinion.

no, i don't have a problem with gay people. it is one of my favorite pastimes to ask straight guys out. well, just one guy. he's an idiot.


and if gayness was inherited- then gays would die out eventually.

if it's learned, then the people who teach it will die out and then so will the gays.

if it's just a genetic mutation- then they'll stay.

and, for the sake of arguemnent,
gays will be gay. i don't see a way to stop it. i don't find gays immoral. i'd like to know what exactly makes you see them that way.

[Spirited Away]

Yes, you're right the Homosexuals make AIDS while having sex, it kills them instantly, and straight couples never get it.
HIV STARTED in the gay community, but was not CAUSED by it. the first man whom got it was a homosexual, but that doesn't mean anything, it could have been any group of people to find it first, it's a virus. Technicly it started in monkeys anyway.

Once more, not only was that childish, but very much a fallacy that I wouldn't even think of. If you want to assume my thoughts, you'd have to do a better job of researching.

I do not care how it started or who it originated from, my initial thought was to prove that you're wrong about homosexuals not dying from having intercourse. If you've forgotten, your exact words were "no one was really killed from homosexual sex or kissing" and I'm saying that people can indeed be killed by sodomy.

Straight people sodomize, too, but they don't need to do it to pleasure themselves. However, the only way to really have sex in homosexuality is sodomy. Drug users can get AIDS, but "male homosexuals (and others involved in anal intercourse) are next at risk" according to this source.

it's a virus

HIV is a virus, but AIDS is a disease.

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i enjoy a good argument, and that was not an attempt to stop people from argueing, but it was my opinion.

I agree. But as you can see, I get pretty serious when people assume things about my beliefs. My mind can be changed. In fact, I've said that my Mom convinced me that homosexual marriages might not be as bad as I made it out to be.

no, i don't have a problem with gay people. it is one of my favorite pastimes to ask straight guys out. well, just one guy. he's an idiot.

HAHAHAH. Well, I only ask guys out for fun, but I guess homosexuals can do that for fun too. I'm not stoping as I know they cannot help who they love, but I do not agree to their marriages because marriage is a choice.

and if gayness was inherited- then gays would die out eventually.

So do you mean it's nurture in your opinion?

if it's learned, then the people who teach it will die out and then so will the gays.

But for some reason, the number of homosexuals in the world is increasing.

if it's just a genetic mutation- then they'll stay.

And when it's proven to be genetics, I will step down and "deal with it" as the other person says.

and, for the sake of arguemnent,
gays will be gay. i don't see a way to stop it. i don't find gays immoral. i'd like to know what exactly makes you see them that way.

I don't know what makes me see them that way, I guess, you can call it a gut feeling. As our society change, several years from now, I might even embrace homosexuality. You can't be sure of what will happen...

[Gribbie]

Acually, that would be the AIDS killing them, not the sodomy it's self, the sodomy is how the HIV got there, but it's not what killed them.
That's like saying the car is guilty of murder because it took the man and his gun to the victim's house.

[Spirited Away]

Acually, that would be the AIDS killing them, not the sodomy it's self, the sodomy is how the HIV got there, but it's not what killed them.
That's like saying the car is guilty of murder because it took the man and his gun to the victim's house.

It makes me wonder if you know what how a person can get AIDS... Hmm, let me try explaining it your way:

If a guy wants to murder someone, he already has a motive, an intent for doing so. However, homosexuals do not have a motive nor intent to contract AIDS. The car is a thing and cannot stop the action of its owner, but we all know that human adults can very well have the mean to abstinence.

[Gribbie]

Yes yes, I know how a person gets HIV/AIDS, but it's still the AIDS killing them, not the sex act. Yeah, its the sex or needle that GAVE them HIV in the first place, but when they kick the bucket, they arn't listed as "Death due to homosexual sex" It's "AIDS". If you want to blame the act of sex as the killer, then you might as well fight to ban all sex.

[sadolakced acid]

so you belive it's learned?

i know this: when i like a girl, it's not learned. it's cus of some ingrained sexual desire i have as guy.

i assume that that's the way it works for gays, the sexual desire is messed up so they like the same sex.

and if it is

then, they don't really have a choice about it, do they?

[Gribbie]

so you belive it's learned? 

i know this:  when i like a girl, it's not learned.  it's cus of some ingrained sexual desire i have as guy. 

i assume that that's the way it works for gays, the sexual desire is messed up so they like the same sex. 

and if it is

then, they don't really have a choice about it, do they?

Yeah but they shouldn't marry anyway cuz even though I know they have the rights too, my opinions are more important!!!

[Spirited Away]

Yes yes, I know how a person gets HIV/AIDS, but it's still the AIDS killing them, not the sex act. Yeah, its the sex or needle that GAVE them HIV in the first place, but when they kick the bucket, they arn't listed as "Death due to homosexual sex" It's "AIDS". If you want to blame the act of sex as the killer, then you might as well fight to ban all sex.

Hmm, I never said that sex is the cause of AIDS, but I am saying that the choice to have sex may lead to AIDS, and this is true of both straight and gay people. However, why do you think it is that homosexuals have a higher risk of getting AIDS than straight people?

Yeah but they shouldn't marry anyway cuz even though I know they have the rights too, my opinions are more important!!! 

Wait, I don't understand... aren't you for gay marriages?

i assume that that's the way it works for gays, the sexual desire is messed up so they like the same sex.

and if it is

then, they don't really have a choice about it, do they?

If it is due to genetics, then they do not have a choice in being gay, therefore it is unethical of me to discriminate someone because of something they cannot help (this is where I agree with my Mom about homosexual marriages aren't so bad). However, it's not proven yet that it's all genetics. But even so, marriage is STILL a choice.

[Gribbie]

Hmm, I never said that sex is the cause of AIDS, but I am saying that the choice to have sex may lead to AIDS, and this is true of both straight and gay people. However, why do you think it is that homosexuals have a higher risk of getting AIDS than straight people?

You're the one who said homosexuals have a higher risk, not me, I was speaking hypotheticly on your level.

Wait, I don't understand... aren't you for gay marriages?

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A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
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The use of sarcasm.

Note the " " smilie I used.

[Spirited Away]

You're the one who said homosexuals have a higher risk, not me, I was speaking hypotheticly on your level.

I was speaking with facts, not guesses. If you doubt me, you should look up some statistics.

Note the "  " smilie I used.

Ah, I see the rub now. Sarcasm is best used when one has a firm understanding of his/her side of argument. As you know, some opinions are based on facts and evidences to support, while others are based on sentimental none-sense.

[Gribbie]

Hmm, I never said that sex is the cause of AIDS

No one was really killed from homosexual sex.

Wrong. Have you ever heard of something called AIDs?

[Spirited Away]

No one was really killed from homosexual sex.

Wrong. Have you ever heard of something called AIDs?

Now you're quoting me. I'm flattered, but you point being?

Sex is a choice that could lead to AIDS, and homosexuals who choose to have sex have a higher risk of being killed by AIDS more so than the normal person... I thought I made that clear?

[Gribbie]

You claimed that you never said that sex is the cause of AIDS.
But when I said no one was really killed from homosexual sex.
You asked if I Have you ever heard of AIDs.
You pretty much said that homosexual sex kills people because they get aids from it. So...
You HAVE said: Homosexuals + Sex = AIDS = Sex causing Aids.

[Spirited Away]

You claimed that you never said that sex is the cause of AIDS.
But when I said no one was really killed from homosexual sex.
You asked if I Have you ever heard of AIDs.
You pretty much said that homosexual sex kills people because they get aids from it. So...
You HAVE said: Homosexuals + Sex = AIDS = Sex causing Aids.

Uh... more like I've said homosexuals + Sex= HIGHER RISK of getting AIDS. DO you know how to read? I think I probably said "higher risk" more than once now, but it's enough to prove that I said "HIGHER RISK" , don't you think?

Please, if you're going to make assumptions about what I said or even try to prove me wrong, do a better job of READING.

[ComradeRed]

In the movie MY FELLOW AMERICANS, the former President accidentally joins a Gay Pride Parade. He meets a guy and the guy tries to tell the President to come "out of the closet". Later in the movie, a deranged FBI agent tries to kill the President, and orders a Sniper to take him out on the White House lawn. But the Sniper shoots the rogue agent instead. The Sniper greets the President later and says "we've already met". The President asks where, and the Sniper replies, "On the other side of the rainbow, Sir." Moral: Gay people have solidarity.

[sadolakced acid]

oh, i love that movie.


but fae, you can't prove it's a choice, and most gays say it's not their choice.

marraige is a choice, but it's also a right. i have the right to get married as long as the girl consents, our parents consent ( being under 18) and we are the same race ( i live in alabama, the heart of racism. that's in our constitution. but so is 'you can't ride your horse through the town square after 10 PM becuase the hoofs on the cobblestones will wake everyone up', but no one cares about that one, so i guess no one cares about the admendment that says you have to marry your own race. maybe we re-wrote our consitution. hmm. i think we did...)

but anyways, why shouldn't they be able to marry the one they love, even if they're the same sex?

[Spirited Away]

oh, i love that movie. 

Never seen it... Is it funny?

but fae, you can't  prove it's a choice, and most gays say it's not their choice. 

Well no one can prove it's nature or nurture yet remember? I don't expect any one to prove it is or it isn't a choice.

No one knows they have cancer until they get tested or don't feel very well. I don't feel like there's anything unhealthy about me until I get sick. What I mean to say is, no one can just "know" what's going on with their body internally and homosexuals may claim that it isn't a choice, but I wouldn't believe it until it's scientifically proven so. Of course, until it is proven, I will give "choice" benefit of the doubt.

marraige is a choice, but it's also a right.  i have the right to get married as long as the girl consents, our parents consent ( being under 18)  and we are the same race ( i live in alabama, the heart of racism.  that's in our constitution.  but so is 'you can't ride your horse through the town square after 10 PM becuase the hoofs on the cobblestones will wake everyone up', but no one cares about that one, so i guess no one cares about the admendment that says you have to marry your own race. maybe we re-wrote our consitution.  hmm.  i think we did...)

Marriage is a choice between consenting adults, meaning, they do not have to get married. They have right to get married, but I also hold the right to claim their marriage immoral.

but anyways, why shouldn't they be able to marry the one they love, even if they're the same sex?

Why shouldn't incest couples be able to marry the ones they love, even if it's their brother/sister, mother/father? After all, they're as familiar to love as homosexuals know love or even MORE so because they have familial love as well as romantic love.

[ComradeRed]

Never seen it... Is it funny?

Presidents interacting with regular people ... you're damn right it's funny.

[sadolakced acid]

so you just don't like the idea of gay people geting married?

you know it's not just a status...

you get the marraige benifit from the IRS which is a main thing.

[Spirited Away]

Presidents interacting with regular people ... you're damn right it's funny.

I will try to watch it if you happen to like it so much.

so you just don't like the idea of gay people geting married?

you know it's not just a status...

you get the marraige benifit from the IRS which is a main thing.

I don't like them getting married, nor do I like to see them making out in public (same goes to straight people making out in public). Marriage isn't a status to me, nor is it something solely for benefits from the IRS. Marriage is something venerable, almost something traditionally right when it's between Man and Woman.

Of course, getting whatever it is married people do from the IRS is a plus, but if that's why they want to do it, then it's kind of shallow. I'm sure they will say their marriage is for love, but then I would argue, would they be as accepting to incest marriages.

But anyway, they'll get married sooner or later because our society is ever accepting such things . Whether people think it's immoral or not will not matter in a few years.

[sadolakced acid]

yup. sooner or later. i mean, elvis was immoral when he debuted because of his 'hip gyration' that was considered immoral.

look at us now. (or actually, look at britney spears in a MV or a concert. )

it's going to happen. although, not in my state that still won't have a lottery to fund schools becuase it's 'gambling' and the bible says not to gamble. there's alabama for you.