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AIDS in Africa
princess2113
post Jun 29 2004, 01:55 PM
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are we helping ppl in Africa w/ AIDS enough?
 
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post Jun 29 2004, 04:35 PM
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Um.. no offense to ppl in Africa.. but seeing as we can hardly help the aids epidemic in the US.. why should we help them? shouldnt we first rid ourselves of it, then them?
 
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post Jun 29 2004, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jun 29 2004, 4:35 PM)
Um.. no offense to ppl in Africa.. but seeing as we can hardly help the aids epidemic in the US.. why should we help them? shouldnt we first rid ourselves of it, then them?

yeah i agree but i was in health n the teacher went on n on abt how we dunt do enough to help them
 
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post Jun 29 2004, 04:45 PM
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that's because we can't.. our resources are strained enough already with the military and stuff.. we have a $500 billion deficit.. programs are being cut.. we can hardly spare money to aid other countries significantly
 
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post Jun 29 2004, 04:47 PM
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the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this.
 
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post Jun 29 2004, 04:48 PM
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the problem in africa about aids is the myths. because they heard that if older guys rape younger girls, aids would be cured. but that's a false myth, and its spreading aids everywhere. i think ppl should hire teachers to go to africa and inform this.

wtf? haha they seriously think that?
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 11:03 AM
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they need aids information.

they don't know all the facts.

they have 12 year olds left as the head of the household, working to support their siblings, becuase their parents have died of aids and they will too.
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 30 2004, 11:03 AM)
they need aids information.

they don't know all the facts.

they have 12 year olds left as the head of the household, working to support their siblings, becuase their parents have died of aids and they will too.

we've tried

convoys have been sent to explain everything, with translators, presentations, brochures, etc

they have their culture and are unwilling to change, even for the better

some of the tribes there customarily bathe in the dead's blood....thus its passed....we proved to them this causes their death,...they dont care


they dont want our help, fine. treat the aids ppl here

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post Jun 30 2004, 12:02 PM
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When people live by the same laws or traditions for centuries, it takes time and a great deal of persuation to make changes.

If we educate one woman, and she comes home to her husband, who is still ignorant, that education has gone to waste. Or if you educate the woman, but she gets raped.

So, in such a society, not only do we need to educate its people, but we also need to protect the educated, something that is completely out of our jurisdiction as their laws are different than ours.

In addition, Aids is a world wide problem. In my opinion, the US and other countries has helped enough. We cannot help those who do not wish to help themselves.
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 12:24 PM
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nope we arent.... they suffer a lot over there and they are really under privlaged.... the ghettos in the US r nothing compared to the slums in African.... one of my friends used to live in South America and he told me how bad the conditions are there....
 
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QUOTE(JlIaTMK @ Jun 30 2004, 12:24 PM)
nope we arent.... they suffer a lot over there and they are really under privlaged.... the ghettos in the US r nothing compared to the slums in African.... one of my friends used to live in South America and he told me how bad the conditions are there....

And why should we them more than we already have?

If we do help them, how do you think we should go about doing it? Give them 20% of our income? Demand their government to follow our rules?
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 02:46 PM
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And why should we them more than we already have?

If we do help them, how do you think we should go about doing it? Give them 20% of our income? Demand their government to follow our rules?

You left out "help" in the first sentence laugh.gif

Yes, good point.. why should we go and impose our culture on countries all over the world?
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 03:10 PM
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millions die from aids and the best cure: abstinence
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 03:12 PM
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millions die from aids and the best cure: abstinence 

*nod* well.. there is no real "cure".. but yup, I totally agree
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 06:41 PM
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First, You can't really "help" an ENTIRE continent. If we were to help people it would be the country with the biggest Aid problem.

Second, People please do not believe everything you see and hear on national geographic or news, because that is never the entire story. Half of what people said above are myths.

Third, America has helped alot. The problem doesn't not lie with in the people the problem lies within the country's government. Becuase I swear to you everytime someone tries to do something to actually help the people some rival group wants to assinate him. Also the the military rules the country no good can happen inside the country.
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 06:42 PM
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what I said isnt from national geographic, its from my college education
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 06:44 PM
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Okay um let me say it like this have you ever been to an African country? Have you ever been to an African county with an AIDS problem. When you have get back to me.
 
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post Jun 30 2004, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 30 2004, 6:44 PM)
Okay um let me say it like this have you ever been to an African country? Have you ever been to an African county with an AIDS problem. When you have get back to me.

so you can speak for EVERY part of africa and EVERY tribe right?
 
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 30 2004, 6:41 PM)
Half of what people said above are myths.

I would appreciate it if you could point out these incorrect assumptions, aka myths. I'm not knowledgable about the region, nor do I know much about Aids except how it spreads.

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Third, America has helped alot.

Right you are.

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The problem doesn't not lie with in the people the problem lies within the country's government. Becuase I swear to you everytime someone tries to do something to actually help the people some rival group wants to assinate him. Also the the military rules the country no good can happen inside the country.


That's what I mean when I said that their laws are different then ours. We cannot do much to help if we do not have the law on our side.
 
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post Jul 1 2004, 01:31 AM
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Gosh uninspiredfae (I dunno your real name, sorrie), you always bring up such good points ohmy.gif happy.gif

Why should we even bother trying to aid an entire continent when we can't even save ourselves.. what good will it do if we cripple our resources trying to aid others?
 
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post Jul 1 2004, 02:01 PM
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hmm... i dunno. every bomb we've dropped is worth like. 2000 dollars. we've drops tons.

it's my understanding that massive AIDS education programs would be a lot cheaper than bombing iraq.

and, africa isn't all tribes.

take south africa- very modernized, with a 30% AIDS population.

can't we educate them? 1 out of three people have AIDS.

it's where the old world crosses with the new, that probelms occur.
 
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post Jul 1 2004, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(bigpoppaproppy @ Jun 30 2004, 9:15 PM)
so you can speak for EVERY part of africa and EVERY tribe right?

Tribe? You have been watching too much Southpark. They are civilized, they have cars. You know what, just hush =) Thank you in advance.

You know what, I think we are doing enough, because when I went, there were so many clinics for the sick, paid by the States. And the African countries finally got the message that this a serious problem. They are encouraging safe sex, just like we are. I think it may seem like we're not doing a lot, but it takes time. So after a while we will see the results. But the most we can do right here in the US, is to have safe sex, use those condoms damnit! AIDS is some serious stuff, and if it's either safe sex or no sex. (Yeah...I sound like the radio >< but I have a good point) I agree with uninspiredfae, it's not just Africa we need to worry about, it's everywhere.

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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 1 2004, 1:31 AM)
Gosh uninspiredfae (I dunno your real name, sorrie), you always bring up such good points ohmy.gif happy.gif

You can call me Fae... or whatever else you feel comfortable with. And thanks for the compliment as well as pointing out my missing "help"... blush.gif

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it's my understanding that massive AIDS education programs would be a lot cheaper than bombing iraq.

Like we have been trying to say earlier, sadolakced acid, education is USELESS if we do not have the means to protect the educated. What would you like the US to do? Spend money educating the people, then spend more money bribing their government to see things our way?

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take south africa- very modernized, with a 30% AIDS population.

can't we educate them? 1 out of three people have AIDS.

We've been trying for a long time but nothing much can be done to help without people seeing our help in a positive light. I'm sure people do not like to be told what to do, nor do they like to change their lifestyles because a of a few strangers.

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it's where the old world crosses with the new, that probelms occur.

True.
 
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post Jul 1 2004, 03:39 PM
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well, i guess there isn't really anything we can do. not many people in the US care about africa.
 
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 1 2004, 3:39 PM)
well, i guess there isn't really anything we can do.  not many people in the US care about africa.

Ah, but you see, Americans are STILL trying to help even though we know the possible chance of failure, and that proves that many people do care about the well-being of others.

Heck, my friend wants to go to S. Africa for her med. internship to help people over there. I told her that she can do good a lot of good here, in the States, but she said that there are people who need help there and do not receive them as easily as in the US. (Such devotion... cry.gif she's my inspiration!)

Anyway, not many people seem to care about the world's problems because there are enough problems in their own household.
 

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