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Jul 13 2004, 10:59 PM
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from the bible it actually said that other gods exists. yup. as in Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me" so you guys should stop saying there is not other gods. but the point of what i'm saying is that. Yes there is other gods but our God the holy one is the most important and high and powerful of all. that is what we as christian believe. i bet after you have read through all this you might feel that we as Christians want to cram our religion down your throaht but really we're not. just step back and try to understand what we're saying. and to Christians that may be trying... if you're not getting through to them. you're not meant to be the one the save them. this may not make sense but... try to understand please? oh ya and this post is a reply to one that is wayyy long time ago...
PS: you may correct me... perhaps i worded some things wrong. |
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Jul 14 2004, 11:01 AM
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dripping destruction ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
no one has proof, eh?
no one can prove that god exists or does not. because the only ones who know are dead. so how the heck can you say that everything in the bible is right? |
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Jul 14 2004, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(naiverucee @ Jul 13 2004, 10:59 PM) from the bible it actually said that other gods exists. yup. as in Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me" so you guys should stop saying there is not other gods. but the point of what i'm saying is that. Yes there is other gods but our God the holy one is the most important and high and powerful of all. that is what we as christian believe. i bet after you have read through all this you might feel that we as Christians want to cram our religion down your throaht but really we're not. just step back and try to understand what we're saying. and to Christians that may be trying... if you're not getting through to them. you're not meant to be the one the save them. this may not make sense but... try to understand please? oh ya and this post is a reply to one that is wayyy long time ago... PS: you may correct me... perhaps i worded some things wrong. nooooooooo there r NO other gods...this Commandment is talking abt a lot of things...1-no "gods" like other religions...2-dunt make other "things" ur "god" like money, so ONLY worship God...u took that in the wrong way...God says u shuld believe that He is the ONE and ONLY God |
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Jul 14 2004, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 14 2004, 2:32 PM) nooooooooo there r NO other gods...this Commandment is talking abt a lot of things...1-no "gods" like other religions...2-dunt make other "things" ur "god" like money, so ONLY worship God...u took that in the wrong way...God says u shuld believe that He is the ONE and ONLY God i be jewish any ways and you WOULD be the offical interpretur of the bible form here to forever. people should be able to inturpret his works as they want. oh and PLEASE work on your grammer. |
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Jul 14 2004, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(redsoxbaby87 @ Jul 14 2004, 2:36 PM) i be jewish any ways and you WOULD be the offical interpretur of the bible form here to forever. people should be able to inturpret his works as they want. oh and PLEASE work on your grammer. no but ive taken more inturpreations classes then u can count...and plz back off some...no1 was mean to u |
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Jul 14 2004, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE no but ive taken more inturpreations classes then u can count...and plz back off some...no1 was mean to u How would you know which is supposedly the "right" way to interpret things.. the classes you took taught you to interpret it their way.. what makes you believe that their way is the "right" way? |
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Jul 14 2004, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 14 2004, 5:16 PM) How would you know which is supposedly the "right" way to interpret things.. the classes you took taught you to interpret it their way.. what makes you believe that their way is the "right" way? its not a matter of the way i inturpert it...in the Bible it says that there is ONE God...in the creed...i mean we are a monotheistic religion...we base a lot of beliefs on the fact that there is ONE God so i guess my "inturpretations" were right b/c the Bible says so...not me |
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Jul 14 2004, 08:54 PM
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 14 2004, 8:17 PM) its not a matter of the way i inturpert it...in the Bible it says that there is ONE God...in the creed...i mean we are a monotheistic religion...we base a lot of beliefs on the fact that there is ONE God so i guess my "inturpretations" were right b/c the Bible says so...not me I mean... I sort of saw "You shall have no other gods before me", as God recognizes that there are other Gods, but His followers must only accept Him as their Savior. |
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Jul 15 2004, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 14 2004, 8:54 PM) I mean... I sort of saw "You shall have no other gods before me", as God recognizes that there are other Gods, but His followers must only accept Him as their Savior. Apostle-group chosen by Jesus to preach the Gospel...we are all chosen by the way Apostle's Creed I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen. *The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Nicene Creed We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. if there were other gods, then how come it is the Christian God that formed the universe...i mean if u believe that part of the Bible then u should also believe that He created the world...ALONE as it says...so where were those other "gods then"...inturpret it how u want...the fact is, you are wrong... |
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Jul 15 2004, 12:36 PM
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dripping destruction ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
so you're say the bible says there are other gods too, but it also says that all other gods are fakes, no?
prove the existance of god, which is the point of this thread. with these following restraints. -- you cannot use the bible, and you cannot use faith, and you cannot use personal expirences. as non belivers generally do not belive in the bible, faith is relative, and personal expirences are personal and we don't just take your word for it. |
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Jul 15 2004, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 15 2004, 12:28 PM) Apostle-group chosen by Jesus to preach the Gospel...we are all chosen by the way Apostle's Creed I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen. *The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Nicene Creed We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. if there were other gods, then how come it is the Christian God that formed the universe...i mean if u believe that part of the Bible then u should also believe that He created the world...ALONE as it says...so where were those other "gods then"...inturpret it how u want...the fact is, you are wrong... Uh, Princess, those are nice and all, but it doesn't answer to my point: Which is Exodus 20:3 specifically say that Christians shall not believe in other gods as they believe in God. Which implies that there ARE other gods, but God only wants you to worship Him alone. |
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Jul 15 2004, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 15 2004, 12:50 PM) Uh, Princess, those are nice and all, but it doesn't answer to my point: Which is Exodus 20:3 specifically say that Christians shall not believe in other gods as they believe in God. Which implies that there ARE other gods, but God only wants you to worship Him alone. no it does not! b/c then y wuld the other gods not have helped create the universe? God did it alone in 3 days...He says that He is the ONLY God...its in the Bible...think what u want i mean ur the ones who r gonna pay but if u listened to one thing i said u mite open ur eyes up some |
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Jul 15 2004, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 15 2004, 1:10 PM) no it does not! b/c then y wuld the other gods not have helped create the universe? God did it alone in 3 days...He says that He is the ONLY God...its in the Bible...think what u want i mean ur the ones who r gonna pay but if u listened to one thing i said u mite open ur eyes up some How do YOU know that other gods didn't help created the universe? Cuz, God said so? Okay, you know copyright laws right? They're there because people steal other peoples inventions and ideas, whatnot. But copyright laws were non-exisitent millenias ago. So, what's there to prove that God created the universe by Himself? I mean, what if you only have His word, because other gods don't care to speak up. You know? It's like, it doesn't matter if I made something first, if someone else stole my idea before I can get it patented, there's almost no way I can prove that it's my creation. My eyes are wide open. Don't worry about me. |
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Jul 15 2004, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 15 2004, 1:14 PM) How do YOU know that other gods didn't help created the universe? Cuz, God said so? Okay, you know copyright laws right? They're there because people steal other peoples inventions and ideas, whatnot. But copyright laws were non-exisitent millenias ago. So, what's there to prove that God created the universe by Himself? I mean, what if you only have His word, because other gods don't care to speak up. You know? It's like, it doesn't matter if I made something first, if someone else stole my idea before I can get it patented, there's almost no way I can prove that it's my creation. My eyes are wide open. Don't worry about me. yes, b/c God said so...u beileve in parts of the Bible, but not the other parts...thats not right...u only believe what u want and dont look at the whole picture...there are no other gods...dont believe me? ok...ur CHOICE...and one u WILL pay for... |
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Jul 15 2004, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 15 2004, 1:55 PM) yes, b/c God said so...u beileve in parts of the Bible, but not the other parts...thats not right...u only believe what u want and dont look at the whole picture...there are no other gods...dont believe me? ok...ur CHOICE...and one u WILL pay for... OoOoOhh, I'm so scared. I don't look at the whole picture because I don't even believe the first part of what I saw, why should I believe the rest? But you're STILL not registering what I said, which is that God implies that there are other gods. |
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Jul 15 2004, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 15 2004, 1:58 PM) OoOoOhh, I'm so scared. I don't look at the whole picture because I don't even believe the first part of what I saw, why should I believe the rest? But you're STILL not registering what I said, which is that God implies that there are other gods. no it doesnt...like i said, think what u want to...no1 is stopping u...but ur wrong |
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Jul 15 2004, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 15 2004, 5:54 PM) no it doesnt...like i said, think what u want to...no1 is stopping u...but ur wrong Yes it does, like I said, think what you want to. No one is stopping you, either, but you're wrong. << sarcasm |
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Jul 15 2004, 05:55 PM
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Why gives you two the right to say who's right and who's wrong?
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Jul 15 2004, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 15 2004, 5:55 PM) Why gives you two the right to say who's right and who's wrong? b/c i know im right |
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Jul 15 2004, 09:42 PM
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From what i skimmed over ya'll are saying is God recognizing other gods.
From the commandment yo ushould have no other gods before me, it is meaning like how some people recognize Elvis as a god and that isn't right. God is the one and only. You can make someone else like you boyfriend as your god becuase you put him ahead of God and depend on him for everything and for alot of things he can't do/have control over. |
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Jul 15 2004, 09:44 PM
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You are my God.
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Jul 15 2004, 09:59 PM
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![]() i'm too cool 4 school ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 752 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,421 |
^i mean i know i'm great and all and everyone adores me, but no
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Jul 15 2004, 10:04 PM
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dripping destruction ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
alll hail!!!!
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Jul 15 2004, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 15 2004, 9:42 PM) From what i skimmed over ya'll are saying is God recognizing other gods. From the commandment yo ushould have no other gods before me, it is meaning like how some people recognize Elvis as a god and that isn't right. God is the one and only. You can make someone else like you boyfriend as your god becuase you put him ahead of God and depend on him for everything and for alot of things he can't do/have control over. But I'm speaking from one of the Commandments that says "You shall have no other gods before me"... which obviously implies, there are other gods, but He only wants you to worship Him. Do you know what I mean? Sure, I agree that thinking Elvis is a 'god' literally speaking is a bit insane, but aside from that, other people believing in other gods is just fine. There's nothing wrong with not believing, in my opinion. |
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Jul 16 2004, 02:18 PM
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dripping destruction ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
that's a bit like a cult ruler, don't you think?
you shall have no other gods before me? he's reconizing that there are other gods, but he's calling them fake gods, not real. |
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