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do believe in the devil or jesus
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post Jul 9 2004, 04:54 PM
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post Jul 10 2004, 01:09 PM
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umm i believe in the exsistence of both but i follow and serve God
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(redsoxbaby87 @ Jul 10 2004, 1:01 PM)
i dont believe in the devil or jesus. i am a jew and i believe in G-d. i think that this is a very limiting question and i also think that it was very stupid to say:

as the first post. it does not specify. it is also a very closeminded topic because it includes very few religions. you should open the spectrum more when you post.

what about people not from your religion. if i am not mistaken, this is not the christian forum and maybe people from other religions worship what you call the devil. they may worship him under a different name. you never know. to them he might bring the same things as you god brings to you.

um every Jewish person i know believes in Jesus and teh devil...they dunt believe Jesus is the Son of God thou, they believe He is a Great Prophet, i believe He is the Son of God...but as far as the devil goes, Jews believe in the Torah...which is the Old Testament of the Bible which clearly talks about the devil
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 07:12 PM
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What about Allah? Allah feels left out...

whoaaa minda zheng, mindy zhang. that could get confusing. sorry, random note. yeah, i`m Christian.
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 07:31 PM
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Proof, please. mellow.gif
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(omg_melface @ Jul 10 2004, 7:31 PM)
Proof, please. mellow.gif

proof that He doesnt exist plz
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 10 2004, 6:33 PM)
proof that He doesnt exist plz

Yet, I need proof that he does... the things in the bible are sort of stretched... and I wasn't talking about just Jesus... I was just talking about proof, in general.

So I'm neutral
 
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post Jul 11 2004, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 9 2004, 8:41 PM)
ok wow absolutely off subject. The Devil is real and so is God, now I follow God, not the devil

I worship jesus.
 
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post Jul 12 2004, 01:28 PM
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lol.... if u really know so much about ur religion then u wouldn't be asking this question right now.... happy.gif
the devil is an aspect of Christianity and so is god.... to believe in one means that u believe in the other....
 
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post Jul 12 2004, 01:29 PM
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yes I do cause I believe in the Yin-yang theory good can't exsit with out evil.
 
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post Jul 12 2004, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(KnightOfChrono @ Jul 9 2004, 7:07 PM)
I believe whatever The Bible tells me.

well that is stupid. so basically if the bible says go jump off a cliff you will? if it says kill your mother or hate G-d you would? do have a problem with thinking for yourself or something? i just think that is stupid. you must have reasons other than just becasue the bible tells you. you must have a brain and be able to think for yourself...
 
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post Jul 12 2004, 07:32 PM
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I don't know if God is real, or if Jesus ever walked this earth. But I do know that their is a difference between good and evil. And that the way it's always been it's the way it'll stay. As constant as change in itself.
 
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post Jul 12 2004, 07:37 PM
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I don't understand how's this suppose to be debate..
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:07 PM
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i belive there IS a devil and Jesus.. i belive IN Jesus...

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well that is stupid. so basically if the bible says go jump off a cliff you will? if it says kill your mother or hate G-d you would? do have a problem with thinking for yourself or something? i just think that is stupid. you must have reasons other than just becasue the bible tells you. you must have a brain and be able to think for yourself...

haha.. well.. DOES the bible say that? NO. its just stupid to make up things.... stop saying "IF"
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jul 13 2004, 2:07 PM)
i belive there IS a devil and Jesus.. i belive IN Jesus...


haha.. well.. DOES the bible say that? NO. its just stupid to make up things.... stop saying "IF"

That's isn't really stupid...

He/she was right when he/she said that you should be able to think for yourself instead of what the Bible tells you... after all, God gave you "free will" right?
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(redsoxbaby87 @ Jul 12 2004, 7:16 PM)
well that is stupid. so basically if the bible says go jump off a cliff you will? if it says kill your mother or hate G-d you would? do have a problem with thinking for yourself or something? i just think that is stupid. you must have reasons other than just becasue the bible tells you. you must have a brain and be able to think for yourself...

But that's not what's in the bible. People agree with the bible and that's why they say that they would believe anything the bible said, because they obviously agree with everything in the bible. People have a choice if they want to agree with the bible or not. If you don't agree with the bible or torah or w/e. Tough, there are many that do so. You just have to be able to tolerate what other believe or think. Saying something is stupid because they believe in something or agree with something is an opinion, an opinion i think that should not be said. It's their faith. No one can question someone's faith. That's just wrong.

As for answering this thread. I don't really know what i believe in. I was raised catholic but i don't know yet. I'm still questioning and finding out what i believe in.
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(WunKraziePinoy @ Jul 13 2004, 3:54 PM)
But that's not what's in the bible. People agree with the bible and that's why they say that they would believe anything the bible said, because they obviously agree with everything in the bible. People have a choice if they want to agree with the bible or not. If you don't agree with the bible or torah or w/e. Tough, there are many that do so. You just have to be able to tolerate what other believe or think. Saying something is stupid because they believe in something or agree with something is an opinion, an opinion i think that should not be said. It's their faith. No one can question someone's faith. That's just wrong.

a) freedom of speech. if you are able to voice your opinion that why cant I?

b) i disagree with the torah in the fact that I dont believe that Jesus was a phrophet. I believe he was an ordinary man. I dont believe in jesus. i believe in G-d.
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(redsoxbaby87 @ Jul 13 2004, 4:01 PM)
a) freedom of speech. if you are able to voice your opinion that why cant I?

b) i disagree with the torah in the fact that I dont believe that Jesus was a phrophet. I believe he was an ordinary man. I dont believe in jesus. i believe in G-d.

I didn't say you couldn't voice your opinion, i just said in my opinion it's wrong to say something is stupid because you don't believe in something that others do. In my opinion you could have used a better word than stupid. In my prior post i could have said something in your post was stupid, but i choose not to. Saying something is stupid can come out offensive especially about religion.
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(Arimalka @ Jul 11 2004, 8:00 PM)
Just because you don't believe in Jesus doesn't mean you are eternally condemned to the other extreme.

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ummmmm yeah it kinda does...unless ur Jewish
 
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post Jul 13 2004, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jul 13 2004, 7:42 PM)
ummmmm yeah it kinda does...unless ur Jewish

what about islam or buddishm??!! other things like being a native american and worshiping native american gods????!!! what about wiccan??

G-d is merely a figure that watches over us. he has given us free will and tthe tools to do what we wish with our lives. He has given us commandments and religious texts, but those are only CHOICES that we are allowed to make. there are no such things as leading a good life or a bad life. there is merley lfie itself. and during your life you are allowed to do what ever you please. if you choose not to read religious texts it does not condem you to anything but yourself. you are allowed to choose in what you belive and people do so. G-d gives us things so that we have choices, he does not mean that we MUST do as he says. otherwise there would be no free will. there is no bigger picture. sure, all things have a reason, but that does not mean that G-d is involed. last time i checked i had a brain and i had reasons for doing what i do.
 
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post Jul 14 2004, 10:41 AM
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I don't believe in anything like this. I'm 100% Athiest
 
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post Jul 14 2004, 10:44 AM
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to b sincere i do believe in jesus, but the devil iono......the idead of an eternal burning hell kinda creeps me out.....nd if the priest is supposed to save ur sould before u die, who goes to hell then
 
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post Jul 15 2004, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(WunKraziePinoy @ Jul 13 2004, 4:54 PM)
But that's not what's in the bible. People agree with the bible and that's why they say that they would believe anything the bible said, because they obviously agree with everything in the bible. People have a choice if they want to agree with the bible or not. If you don't agree with the bible or torah or w/e. Tough, there are many that do so. You just have to be able to tolerate what other believe or think. Saying something is stupid because they believe in something or agree with something is an opinion, an opinion i think that should not be said. It's their faith. No one can question someone's faith. That's just wrong.

But most people haven't read the bible. I myself have read the whole thing, and I assure no where in it does Jesus say: 'Go jump offa cliff.' But what about the Gnostic Gospels, the parts that were edited out by Constantine?

The few that have survived are quite interesting. For instance, they make out Jesus as not some kind of Deity as the Holy Bible tends to do. But a normal man. One who married and had kids.
 
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post Aug 6 2004, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(skaterjswife2 @ Jul 9 2004, 4:26 PM)
i be jewish.

i am tooooo!!!


also you have to open this up NOT JUST WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN
thats not a debate...its just a faith question

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um every Jewish person i know believes in Jesus and teh devil...they dunt believe Jesus is the Son of God thou, they believe He is a Great Prophet, i believe He is the Son of God...but as far as the devil goes, Jews believe in the Torah...which is the Old Testament of the Bible which clearly talks about the devil


what the heck kinda jews are you talking to?!?!? The torah doesnt mention the devil, the BIBLE does! ours was first...not yours...its NOT the old testament to us, its the ONLY testament. the bible came after the torah and its completely different. please get it straight
 
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post Aug 6 2004, 02:51 AM
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i am tooooo!!!


also you have to open this up NOT JUST WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN
thats not a debate...its just a faith question



what the heck kinda jews are you talking to?!?!? The torah doesnt mention the devil, the BIBLE does! ours was first...not yours...its NOT the old testament to us, its the ONLY testament. the bible came after the torah and its completely different. please get it straight

For some reason, I was imagining you going in here and say, " Neither. "
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post Aug 6 2004, 03:01 AM
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as a christian, yes i believe in Jesus and Satan...

personally i think Jesus is alive
and i have sympathy for the devil
 
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