illegal immigrants, should something be done? Options

[HiddenFaerie]

so because it takes so long, you're saying we can let them cheat the system by sneaking in.

why? why make laws preventing illegal immigration and border patrols when you're going to reward them for sneaking in? it doesn't make sense.

Sneak in? So are you saying that what? All illegal immigrants swam here from their country? Most actually got here legally. They managed to get a visa and come as tourists or as students. Well they are here and life isn't so easy. They kind of have to do something. Some do overstay their limit but normally those are the type that work.

As for Mexicans that come across the border. Most die simply attempting to make it across. As do those sneaking away from Cuba. They're willing to risk their lives for something they believe will make them happy. But they're greeted by hypocritical, egotists, and racist people simply spitting to get rid of them.

What rewards? There are none untill they become legal. They can't recieve welfare and unemployment. Laws don't allow it. So if they do want to live here they have to work. It makes perfect sense.

[POonSKi]

i guess the issue on illegal immigrants is becoming more apparent than before. what do you guys think? should something be done to stop this or should something be done?


personally i think the government NEEDS to crack down on these people. its unfair if dishonest people cross the border line or reside in america for a longer period of time than allowed.

i dont think they should do anything to stop illegal immigrants as long as they dont hurt anyone around here.

[LaRevolucion]

overpopulation. dont want that happening in the US. just because they help the economy doesn't mean they're good. anyone heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"? well to me... they're the cooks.

Oh get over yourself....the U.S. is gonna become a third world country anyway if it keeps up the way it is now...with the economy I mean. It wouldn't make a difference if it's overpopulated and what not.

[LaRevolucion]

As for Mexicans that come across the border. Most die simply attempting to make it across. As do those sneaking away from Cuba. They're willing to risk their lives for something they believe will make them happy. But they're greeted by hypocritical, egotists, and racist people simply spitting to get rid of them.

What rewards? There are none untill they become legal. They can't recieve welfare and unemployment. Laws don't allow it. So if they do want to live here they have to work. It makes perfect sense.

I agree with what you're saying, but don't forget about the people from Central and South America. They have to cross more than one border. Watch the movie "El Norte"...it has subtitles and it's really thought provoking.

[LaRevolucion]

If they want to be in our country and mooch off our jobs so bad, they should strive to get citizenship rather than pussyfoot across the border.

Mooch off our jobs?! Honestly...do you think they're mooching off our jobs?! They do jobs that NOBODY wants to do! Think of being a bus boy for example...or scrubbing toilets. I know that nobody that was born and raised in America wants to do those jobs unless they are desperate....or not even that. Dude think about it!

[megumint]

yeah it's helping the economy!

and the immigrant system is messed up as it is. like my best friend has to move away to india every 5 years to renew something..

aiee.

but my dad is allowed to stay because he came before her... eh. if i was an immigrant i would come illegally since i have no idea of any other way to do it. it's all too confusing.

[islandkiss]

The government then needs to crack down on all illegal immergrants, because they will allow cubans in but they will turn away those from Hati. Personally i am fine with illegal immergrants because they aren't hurting me and are helping the economy so...

I'll second that.. immigrants just want to have the privlege to be free..

[Sumiaki]

it's only free for those who are here legally. just because it's a free country doesn't mean free borders. if what your sayng was true, then there is no way america could have upheld its whole "home of the free" approach. overpopulation. dont want that happening in the US. just because they help the economy doesn't mean they're good. anyone heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"? well to me... they're the cooks.

Many things dont hold up to "home of the free" some have been resolved.

Home of the Free- is it fair to put native americans on reserves and take their land, yeah thats really free alright. Yea free country when we're having law troubles with gay marriages, thats REALLY free.

Overpopulation?!?! We're going to overpopulate with illegal aliens or not! Look at China! I dont think they had problems with illegal aliens.

Aha.. helpin the economy is bad then? Or at least not as bad as overpopulation. Yea lets not have "overpopulation" and pay alot of money for things that usually would cost a couple of bucks. At least we would have more space for things we cant buy!!! </sarcastic> Get your priorities straight.

"too many cooks spoil the broth" If illegal aliens are the cooks, then what is the broth?

Yes, it doesnt mean all illegal aliens are good. The good outmeasures the bad. Sure eating junk food tastes good, but it doesnt mean its all good. Yet many people eat junk food. How weird......

[poisonedxivy]

Oh get over yourself....the U.S. is gonna become a third world country anyway if it keeps up the way it is now...with the economy I mean. It wouldn't make a difference if it's overpopulated and what not.

first of all you could have combined all three of those posts. do you even know what it takes to be deemed a third world country? dont' throw around the term if you don't know the specifics. third world countries are pretty close the LCD's. the US is NOWHERE near that quota and never will be. it's too developed right now to ever go back to that state. if it DOES become a third world country and its overpopulated it takes a longer period of time to bring america back up. so it makes a HUGE difference as to whether america is overpopulated.

[PiRaTeGrL775]

i think so. i mean, if we have all those people coming up from mexico and stuff, we can get even more over-populated than we already are. plus they can bring disese and stuff. but i think they should get the chance to come here. like get tested for disese and drug usage and stuff. then get a green card or something.

[EmeraldKnight]

i think so. i mean, if we have all those people coming up from mexico and stuff, we can get even more over-populated than we already are. plus they can bring disese and stuff. but i think they should get the chance to come here. like get tested for disese and drug usage and stuff. then get a green card or something.

Legal immigrants can also bring diseases.. we're going to overpopulate with or without immigration.. do legal immigrants get tested?

Oh get over yourself....the U.S. is gonna become a third world country anyway if it keeps up the way it is now...with the economy I mean. It wouldn't make a difference if it's overpopulated and what not.

The US a 3rd world country? Arent we the onli remaining superpower?

[LaRevolucion]

i think so. i mean, if we have all those people coming up from mexico and stuff, we can get even more over-populated than we already are. plus they can bring disese and stuff. but i think they should get the chance to come here. like get tested for disese and drug usage and stuff. then get a green card or something.

Why do you only mention Mexico? I mean there are a lot of other immigrants from other countries that can bring diseases, not only Mexicans. I know you probably already knew that, but you so willingly only mentioned Mexico. Yeah, they do deserve a chance to get here and some are trying to get green cards.

[LaRevolucion]

The US a 3rd world country? Arent we the onli remaining superpower?

Yes....we are a very strong country, but I'm looking at this from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. I know this is beside the point and I don't know why I brought it up, but all I'm gonna say about this is....there is a possibility that the U.S. can become a third world country simply from the fact that the ozone layer is depleting. I know you're thinking well what does that have to do with anything.....well it has lots to do. I'm closing this subject since it's irrelevant. Btw....Japan is pretty far up there in the superpower matter.

[EmeraldKnight]

Why do you only mention Mexico?  I mean there are a lot of other immigrants from other countries that can bring diseases, not only Mexicans. I know you probably already knew that, but you so willingly only mentioned Mexico. Yeah, they do deserve a chance to get here and some are trying to get green cards.

I suppose they mentioned Mexico because it shares a border with the US and there've been many cases of illegal immigrants caught by the border patrol, etc..

Yes....we are a very strong country, but I'm looking at this from a scientific standpoint, not a political one. I know this is beside the point and I don't know why I brought it up, but all I'm gonna say about this is....there is a possibility that the U.S. can become a third world country simply from the fact that the ozone layer is depleting. I know you're thinking well what does that have to do with anything.....well it has lots to do. I'm closing this subject since it's irrelevant. Btw....Japan is pretty far up there in the superpower matter.

Scientific standpoint? How the heck? The ozone layer.. do you even know what you're talking about? It affects everyone, not just the US.. please, two things: 1. Dont double post; 2. Dont bring up arguments if you dont know what it is you're saying..

Oh and Japan may be economically strong, but it's not a superpower, again get your facts straight, please:

an extremely powerful nation; specifically : one of a very few dominant states in an era when the world is divided politically into these states and their satellites

^ Above definition is from www.m-w.com

[LaRevolucion]

I suppose they mentioned Mexico because it shares a border with the US and there've been many cases of illegal immigrants caught by the border patrol, etc..


Scientific standpoint? How the heck? The ozone layer.. do you even know what you're talking about? It affects everyone, not just the US.. please, two things: 1. Dont double post; 2. Dont bring up arguments if you dont know what it is you're saying..

Oh and Japan may be economically strong, but it's not a superpower, again get your facts straight, please:

Yes....but there can be so many other nations in which disease is prevalent, not just Mexico.

Yes....scientific standpoint. Yes...I do know what I'm talking about. Yes... I do know that it does affect everyone, not just the U.S., the U.S is getting left behind. Yes....the ozone layer. Take for example the car. It runs on gas....but they are now coming up with hybrids. Still, it isn't quite enough. In order to protect the ozone layer fully, they must come up with a car that doesn't run on gas and in order to save money they must come up with something that isn't a hybrid. The simplest chemical reaction is there, but they just aren't using it. It is as simple as H20 and hydrogen gas. Honestly, all natural sources can work to energize a motor. I've seen it. Please....consider all possibilities also before saying stuff like I don't know what I'm talking about.

I didn't say Japan was a superpower, I just meant it was pretty high ranking in economic stature. I'm sorry for any misunderstandings.

*Note: I may double post if I please.

[EmeraldKnight]

Yes....but there can be so many other nations in which disease is prevalent, not just Mexico.

I already agreed that the disease part was absurd

Yes....scientific standpoint. Yes...I do know what I'm talking about. Yes... I do know that it does affect everyone, not just the U.S., the U.S is getting left behind. Yes....the ozone layer. Take for example the car. It runs on gas....but they are now coming up with hybrids. Still, it isn't quite enough. In order to protect the ozone layer fully, they must come up with a car that doesn't run on gas and in order to save money they must come up with something that isn't a hybrid. The simplest chemical reaction is there, but they just aren't using it. It is as simple as H20 and hydrogen gas. Honestly, all natural sources can work to energize a motor. I've seen it. Please....consider all possibilities also before saying stuff like I don't know what I'm talking about. 

Ok, so simply because our cars can't keep up, the US is going to become a 3rd World Country?

I didn't say Japan was a superpower, I just meant it was pretty high ranking in economic stature. I'm sorry for any misunderstandings.

Right... your exact words:

Btw....Japan is pretty far up there in the superpower matter

*Note: I may double post if I please

Actually, I do believe its against the rules.. would a mod please confirm this for me?

[*Podomaht*]

These are the words from a former mod: Please do not double post.

[LaRevolucion]

Hmm...why is everyone so hung up on double posting? Anyway...there are other factors that may lead up to the U.S. become 3rd world, for example, if Bush was kept as president. Obviously, I'm not going to win this arguement since everyone is being closed minded about the whole deal. But whatever....it's a debate, I suppose.

[EmeraldKnight]

Hmm...why is everyone so hung up on double posting? Anyway...there are other factors that may lead up to the U.S. become 3rd world, for example, if Bush was kept as president. Obviously, I'm not going to win this arguement since everyone is being closed minded about the whole deal. But whatever....it's a debate, I suppose.

1. Double posting contributes to spam
2. Ok, I'll be open minded.. tell me, what exactly are the steps that the US will follow to becoming a 3rd world country?

[lemonlina]

I just know for a fact that the US isn't even allowing in tourists from China because they're afraid they'll illegally immigrate. It's just really the situation in their country. For example, if things are bad in a country, it's more likely that people are going to illegally immigrate from there. And most of them might be uneducated people. I think the US should allow these people to have a chance at living a better life.

[imm]

i dont think anything should be done actually



i believe the world should be this little grassland and the lions and bears and blacks and whites and asians, ect all run free with the wind.


like pochahontas =]

Yup!

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

i think illegal immigrants are vital to our economy. they do all the menial jobs we dont want to do. in my opinion the gov should not ddo anything about them

[LaRevolucion]

Yay! Another person that agrees!

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

Could you imagine yourself in that position. Take a man of mexican decent for example. He crosses the border thinking of his family and all he is leaving behind. The immigrants are willing to dodge bullets to provide a better life for their families. Would you be calling them a good for nothing "wet back" if you had to start from zero. You can't even begin to comprehend. Now why don't you look down to where your feet are planted This U.S. soil that makes you take sh!t for granted If not for Santa Ana, just to let you know That where your feet are planted would be Mexico.

correct me if im wrong

[LaRevolucion]

No...You're totally correct. This used to be Mexico along with Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and some other states that are around the northwestern part of the U.S. When someone tells me to go back where I came from, they're not only ignorant but stupid. First of all I was born here. Second of all, it shows how much they know because this was Mexico. Thanx so much for saying that, fallen fairy!