Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong? Options

[xHalf nHalf]

There. Like I said.. the onli reason there is this controversy is purely because of religious beliefs and upbringing

well then so be it..people arent just guna drop their beliefs, opinions, and morals just to prevent controversy

[EmeraldKnight]

well then so be it..people arent just guna drop their beliefs, opinions, and morals just to prevent controversy

... I realize that nothing is going to change millenia of religious beliefs..

I'm simply emphasizing how ridiculous it is that people prejudice others because of these beliefs.. how steadfastly they clinge to them and how reluctant people are to change..

[skaterjswife2]

im sorry but that is sooo bogus. being homosexual and being a certain race are two totally different things. people may not be able to help what they feel, but they can control whether they yield and give into those feelings or not. as for being a certain race, people cant choose what ethnicity their parents are. we cant choose is we want to be black white etc etc

and for the record, i also think that homosexuality is morally wrong..

UH. okay. so just because more of the population is straight.. that's right.

here imagine this. k?

You like someone. You really like someone. I think you're a guy? So.. You really like this girl. That is sooooo wrong in your little world. You can only like someone of the same gender. But no, you aren't allowed to love anyone because it is morally WRONG in your world. So, you must stay alone all of your life to please the people around you. SUCKS TO BE YOU EH?

OR.. you would marry another guy and have NO feelings for them the whole time and your life would be empty. sounds fuun/

god go in their shoes for once. you people bother me.

[Spirited Away]

You like someone. You really like someone.  I think you're a guy? So.. You really like this girl.  That is sooooo wrong in your little world.  You can only like someone of the same gender.  But no, you aren't allowed to love anyone because it is morally WRONG in your world.  So, you must stay alone all of your life to please the people around you. SUCKS TO BE YOU EH?

Lets "imagine" something more realistic "okay"?

Why would it be wrong for a girl and boy to like each other? Did your parents or anyone else's parents ever tell you that it's wrong for a boy/man and girl/woman to like each other? No. Thank you very much.

If you're going to make examples, make up something more valid than that.

In our world, sodomy IS morally wrong, but people are accepting it more and more. I agree that one should imagine it to be their life and sympathize with them, but I wouldn't make unrealistic examples like that to convince anyone.

OR.. you would marry another guy and have NO feelings for them the whole time and your life would be empty. sounds fuun/

Who says you have to marry anyone? There are people who remain unmarried their whole life. Are you trying to make fun of people who chose not to have a sexual/"life" partner?

god go in their shoes for once. you people bother me.

And your kind of people bother the hell out of me. Since you're entitled to your OPINION, the rest of us are also, right? You believe in freedom, and so do we! Grow up!

[EmeraldKnight]

And your kind of people bother the hell out of me. Since you're entitled to your OPINION, the rest of us are also, right? You believe in freedom, and so do we! Grow up!

Haha I love this debate.. it seems very passionate.. you tell them uninspiredfae!

[Spirited Away]

Haha I love this debate.. it seems very passionate.. you tell them uninspiredfae!  

HAHAHA, you see it too? I can't believe how people can commit such hypocrisy and expect the world to accept their stupid reasoning.

All I ask is that people talk/debate/discuss without using words like "gross" or calling other people "close minded", because there isn't really such a thing in THIS certain debate. Right or wrong is once more, a perspective, not fact nor anything credible.

Anyway, your reasoning is right. It is silly for people, like me, to judge simply because my first reaction to it is: "ew, ew". I did discussed it with my Mom, and she convinced me to really look at the situation before forming an opinion. So I guess, even in homosexuality, there are exceptions (and you know that I'm a firm believer in exceptions to every problem).

[EmeraldKnight]

HAHAHA, you see it too? I can't believe how people can commit such hypocrisy and expect the world to accept their stupid reasoning.

All I ask is that people talk/debate/discuss without using words like "gross" or calling other people "close minded", because there isn't really such a thing in THIS certain debate. Right or wrong is once more, a perspective, not fact nor anything credible.

Anyway, your reasoning is right. It is silly for people, like me, to judge simply because my first reaction to it is: "ew, ew". I did discussed it with my Mom, and she convinced me to really look at the situation before forming an opinion. So I guess, even in homosexuality, there are exceptions (and you know that I'm a firm believer in exceptions to every problem).

Haha yup.. this is more of a debate of cultural upbringing and beliefs rather than anything else..

You can't realli cite evidence other than your own opinion which is based on how you were brought up

[inlonelinessidie]

Seriously, now. Do you think Homosexuals go against God or are they alright people? Or is what they do just wrong all around?

No homosexuality is not wrong and of course they are alright people. I don't believe that they are homosexuals just to dis-please God because it is not their fault they were born that way.

because i am a Christian and do follow God's word(the bible) and as its been stated, we're told not to practice homosexuality

But doesn't the Bible also teach that God loves the sinner but not the sin? He might say he doesn't believe in homosexuality but then again that doesn't mean that you should hate the nor bash them. We should love one another. Or am I wrong?


Now if you hate homosexuals and bash them yet still call yourself a Christian I am ashamed of you. Remember y'all "'Love your neighbour as yourself.'"

[dragyn]

hmm. i dont really knoe. =/ God says its wrong to be homosexual... x[
i dunno. can they HELP being gay?

I didn't really read anything else after I found this (which was about the second post)

so, someone else might have already said this, but

God doesn't say it's wrong, the bible says it's wrong.

what you have to decide is whether the bible came directly from god, or if it was tainted by the men writing it.

[EmeraldKnight]

I didn't really read anything else after I found this (which was about the second post)

so, someone else might have already said this, but

God doesn't say it's wrong, the bible says it's wrong.

what you have to decide is whether the bible came directly from god, or if it was tainted by the men writing it. 

Please dont argue religion.. there are other topics for that..

And you should at least read the last few posts right before yours as well..

[xHalf nHalf]

But doesn't the Bible also teach that God loves the sinner but not the sin? He might say he doesn't believe in homosexuality but then again that doesn't mean that you should hate the nor bash them. We should love one another. Or am I wrong?


Now if you hate homosexuals and bash them yet still call yourself a Christian I am ashamed of you.  Remember y'all "'Love your neighbour as yourself.'"

um yeah id really like to see quote me saying that i hate homosexuals and me bashing them. WHEN DID I SAY I HATE HOMOSEXUALS?? i said that it was against my morals, smart one

No homosexuality is not wrong and of course they are alright people. I don't believe that they are homosexuals just to dis-please God because it is not their fault they were born that way.

news flash genius, HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT BORN GAY. there is no hard evidence, or any at all for that matter that proves that a person can be born gay. if they know that it is a sin, and diliberately do it anyway, then its just as bad as wanting to "dis-please" God. im sure that gay people are just as nice and good as a straight person, but that does not justify their choice of a gay lifestyle

UH. okay. so just because more of the population is straight.. that's right.

here imagine this. k?

You like someone. You really like someone. I think you're a guy? So.. You really like this girl. That is sooooo wrong in your little world. You can only like someone of the same gender. But no, you aren't allowed to love anyone because it is morally WRONG in your world. So, you must stay alone all of your life to please the people around you. SUCKS TO BE YOU EH?

OR.. you would marry another guy and have NO feelings for them the whole time and your life would be empty. sounds fuun/

god go in their shoes for once. you people bother me.

um first of all im a female, thanks, second of all whats with the "in your little world" nonsense? its my opinion, and my morals, i have the right to think and feel the way i want. and since when do ppl end up marrying soembody that theyre not attracted to or have feelings for? if youre guna make those kinda examples, be alittle bit more realistic and mature about it

god go in their shoes for once. you people bother me.

umm no thanks, i dont hafta to "go in their shoes for once" for anybody. and, "you people"? what exactly do you mean by that? the people that have the right to think that homosexuality is wrong? cmonnn gimme a break, dont say such childish things

[angel-roh]

it's disgusting... im against it. i think God are against the homosexuals... well of course he loves us no matter what we are, but... i think it's still recommend as sins

[rnrn897]

they're ok.. its not really their fault.
people treatin them like shiz.. this is jus like racism -0-;

[onenonly101]

I had to decided to leave this one but i cannot stand for people to say it is like being black

NO IT IS NOT. You choose to be gay. Just like I haven chosen to be a Christian it is my choice eventhough other people say it is wrong for me to be a Christian and tear me down doesn't take away from it being MY choice. I am proud of being a Christian therefore I am proud of my choice to be one. I'm sick of hearing "it is just like someone being African American" trust me it is not. I was born nigerian,black. People have hated me for just being born that way. You can choose who you like. It is like you like your friend but you choose to or not see them in a sexual way. You can help who you like, that is why people hate some people. Because they choose to hate someone just as they choose to love someone

[kantoaznboi]

*Raises Hand*, that was me. 

I never once said that gays were disgusting, I'm not so judgemental that I lack respect for another human being. I said it was morally wrong, but you know what, a lot of things are morally wrong these days.

It was you people that said "closed minded people are disgusting". And that sounded so hypocritically ignorant that I had to say something about it.

NOT agreeing with homosexuals' way of life IS NOT THE SAME AS RACISM. You may call it discrimination, but there is a difference. I'm sure you can say that you do not agree with some other people's way of life as well.

What about incest? Can you stand it? I cannot, but that's just me and my discriminating, closed minded, disgusting point of views. I'm sure you're a paragon of virtues and can accept anything and everything. More power to you.

although there is a difference between racism and people not agreeing with homosexuality, most of it is based on on hatred. weither its a mild hatred or a strong feeling of hate, it all leads 2 discrimination. The level of discrimination of homosexuality will never grow to the level of racism, because more people kno not 2 discriminate someone based on somethin that shouldnt even matter.The thing is, gays, lesbians r still being discriminated.

and ur comment about incest. incest is a totally different matter. incest is about one person doing somethin 2 a family member against their will. its not like the child or the family member whos the victim chose 2 be partake in it.

personally i dont like it when ppl say oh God doesnt like this cause it says in the bible. or when ppl speak for God. How do u kno that the bible wasnt altered or changed when the people wrote it? how do u know that watever the bible says is all the words of God?

i'm not saying that u should totally go against god or anything, but just live ur life morally rite with god guiding ur path. and i kno nobody is perfect, u just have 2 try ur best.

2 me, the only person that should speak for God, is God. and wat i dont get is ppl say that god luvs all his children. then y do they go and say God hates gays, lesbians and so on. just doesnt make sense 2 me. its contradictory.


but yea i'm in support of gays and lesbians cause the personality should only matter. not the way they live their life.

[onenonly101]

I don't think anyone in this debate siad God hates gays or lesbians. Many people said that God loves them, as he say hate the sin but love the sinner, cuz we are all sinners.

I do believe God gave us the Bible and hye gave it to us so that we would have guidence. If yo udon't believe i nthe Bible how can you believe in God when the belief of God is coming from the bible(well now here in present times when we have the bible for us). The bible was given to us for a standard of living and to help show who God is and how he wants us to live our life. I do not believe the bible was altered because it came from God, and it doesn't contradict itself. You know that is just my firm belief that believing in God come with believing in the Bible.

[xHalf nHalf]

personally i dont like it when ppl say oh God doesnt like this cause it says in the bible. or when ppl speak for God.  How do u kno that the bible wasnt altered or changed when the people wrote it? how do u know that watever the bible says is all the words of God?

well how do you know that the bible hasnt be changed in all these years? it can go either way ya know? and untill there is evidence then im standing by it..

2 me, the only person that should speak for God, is God. and wat i dont get is ppl say that god luvs all his children.  then y do they go and say God hates gays, lesbians and so on. just doesnt make sense 2 me. its contradictory.

nobody said that God hates homosexuals..we only stated that he said it is a sin to practice homosexuality.

what I dont understand is how when we state our opinions and say that it is against our morals, or how we follow what was said in the bible, people twist our words around saying that we are bashing, and how God hates homosexuals. all we're saying is that we dont support it..i cannot stand it when people do that. dont get me wrong, i hold nothing against gay or bi people and i nvr will. i just dont agree with their lifestyle(as for sexuality). its that simple

[redsoxbaby87]

homosexuals are people. some of them are good people and some of them are bad people. just like heterosexuals.

[onenonly101]

what I dont understand is how when we state our opinions and say that it is against our morals, or how we follow what was said in the bible, people twist our words around saying that we are bashing, and how God hates homosexuals. all we're saying is that we dont support it..i cannot stand it when people do that. dont get me wrong, i hold nothing against gay or bi people and i nvr will. i just dont agree with their lifestyle(as for sexuality). its that simple

EXACTLY

couldn't have said it better. I do not hate homosexuals because i think it is stupid to hate someone for a choice of theirs like sexuality. Shoot my friend is bi and i have NOTHING against her. Just like i love my friends they do stuff that is wrong and i don't support that, but i do support them as people

[inlonelinessidie]

um yeah id really like to see quote me saying that i hate homosexuals and me bashing them. WHEN DID I SAY I HATE HOMOSEXUALS?? i said that it was against my morals, smart one

First of all I never said that you hated them or even have bashed them . . . it was a whole different paragraph, genius. Geez don't take this to the arse.

news flash genius, HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT BORN GAY. there is no hard evidence, or any at all for that matter that proves that a person can be born gay. if they know that it is a sin, and diliberately do it anyway, then its just as bad as wanting to "dis-please" God. im sure that gay people are just as nice and good as a straight person, but that does not justify their choice of a gay lifestyle

Second of all simmer down and show me the hard evidence that proves that they aren't born this way. How are we sure that they can even tell whether a straight man will love a woman or vice-versa? Science is not always accurate.

Love is blind, it has no boundaries, it knows no colour, religion, race, nor sex. Is it their fault that they are in-love with the same gender? No, of course not they can't help it. Is it my fault that I love men? NO! Because it comes natural to me. Same for them, it comes naturally.

[Spirited Away]

Love is blind, it have no boundaries, it knows no colour, religion, race, nor sex. Is it their fault that they are in-love with the same gender? No, of course not they can't help it. Is it my fault that I love men? NO! Because it comes natural to me. Same for them, it comes naturally.

Human kind have set boundaries to many things, mostly physical, but I consider laws as boundaries as well.

We set boundaries and/or laws to prevent chaos.

Love is blind, but that doesn't mean that people who are not in that relationship must be blind also.

If you think that love is blind, then do you think that we should turn that blind eye on incest or student teacher relationships?

[inlonelinessidie]

Love is blind, but that doesn't mean that people who are not in that relationship must be blind also.

Never said they had to be.

If you think that love is blind, then do you think that we should turn that blind eye on incest or student teacher relationships?

I would say sure, if both parties were comfortable with that decision then why should a law stop them. Who are we to dictate their lives, not all Americans are Christians. There are some religions that accept this but why do we have to put a law over them when they don't believe in the same thing we do.

[xHalf nHalf]

First of all I never said that you hated them or even have bashed them . . . it was a whole different paragraph, genius.    Geez don't take this to the arse.

ok then could you please tell me who you were referring to and if you wouldnt mind quoting anybody in this topic that said they hated gay people. that would really clear things up

Second of all simmer down and show me the hard evidence that proves that they aren't born this way. How are we sure that they can even tell whether a straight man will love a woman or vice-versa? Science is not always accurate.

well here ya go...

"Born gay." The idea that homosexuality is genetic, or at least biologically predetermined and unchangeable, has received a great amount of media coverage presenting it as "new scientific fact." What is often not known is that this "born gay" idea is not new, not proven, and frequently contradicted by what the researchers actually said. At least as far back as 1899, German researcher Magnus Hirschfeld regarded homosexuality as congenital - meaning, "born that way" - and he asked for legal equality based on this thinking.

if thats not good enough for you here the link that goes into further detail..
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and as for all that "love is blind" and "they cant help it" stuff, please save it for somebody else. too many people have used those excuses and in my eyes it doesnt justify anything..

if you want to research also please find me something that proves there a gene present, or even absent, that determines some humans to be homosexual and others straight

[inlonelinessidie]

ok then could you please tell me who you were referring to and if you wouldnt mind quoting anybody in this topic that said they hated gay people. that would really clear things up

It was just a general point not stating you, me, them, etc.

and as for all that "love is blind" and "they cant help it" stuff, please save it for somebody else. too many people have used those excuses and in my eyes it doesnt justify anything..

It wasn't only directed towards you . . . so techincally I did save it for somebody else. It might not justify your decision but it does mine.


And as for the link . . . it's has just made me confused

[Spirited Away]

Never said they had to be.

So my original point being, that just because gay people are "blindly" in love, doesn't mean that people like me have to support their blindedness.

I would say sure, if both parties were comfortable with that decision then why should a law stop them. Who are we to dictate their lives, not all Americans are Christians. There are some religions that accept this but why do we have to put a law over them when they don't believe in the same thing we do.

Hm, I'm definately NOT Christian and I'm now semi-against simply because of my own moral standards. We dictate their lives because their lives directly affect ours.

Imagine with me that you have children:

You understand that aside from a "home" environment, school and friends very much affect your children's way of life.

If their friends are involved in incestry, and your children happen to like that trend as well... and well... have sex with each other just for the heck of it and not love, how would you feel about that?

Now then back to homosexuality...

I think there are a lot of "fake" homosexuality and I consider being "bi" fake. For the most part, they can choose who they love and they do not have to marry anyone of the same sex.

Maybe I'm old fashion, I don't know, but I still think that homosexual marriages is WRONG (depending on the circumstance).

Now, as for homosexuals themselves, I have no problem with them unless they make out in front of me because I consider that immoral. If they want a person like me to respect them, then they have to give some semblence of respect for me. That's how the world works, you can't get respect for free.