Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong? Options

[Retrogressive]

how can you use the bible to prove something is wrong to someone who doesn't believe the bible?

its not for us to decide what's wrong anyway.

[Spirited Away]

It may not be right for us to decide what's wrong for other people, but it's right for us to decide what's right for ourselves. If things in society concerns our lives, we have a right to make a decision that will concern those things.

General FYI
<-- non-believer, my decision has nothing to do with the Bible.

[Violent K]

Hm. I have tend to have a way of making homosexual remarks about things .. like "that's gay" or like, just worse things occasionally, like having to do with a dick up someone's ass.

But I don't mean to offend anybody. I just tend to say things before thinking, and the things I say are constantly said around where I'm from, so its instilled into my head. So please, if I ever do say anything like that, don't take it personally. <3

As for the topic, I think that there's nothing wrong with them. Hell, they were made that way. Let them do whatever the hell they want to. It's their life, it's their choice. Whatever makes them happy.

And whoever says it's a sin, well ... I bet they sin, as well. I know I do, and I follow God with my whole being. It doesn't mean I live by the book.

I steal, I smoke up occasionally, I drink, I cuss, I do a whole bunch of shit I shouldn't.

So if it's a sin, then they're not technically any worse in Gods eyes than any of us are.

MMFCL

[*kryogenix*]

I'm a catholic. Here's the section of the catholic cathecism dealing with homosexuals:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Catholics are asked to respect and be compassionate to homosexuals, even though their behavior is deemed disorderly.

[onenonly101]

I'm sorry. I just registered to reply to this.

Concluding something from just a few passages? Isn't that precisely what you're doing? I assure you that in the Bible, you won't find more than a handful of passages regarding homosexuality.

It is not the same thing. Homosexuality is one issue. They were talking about more than one issue and only reading in the old testament about stonging and such when if they were to ocntinue reading into the new testament it say that we are now under the new church, christ. And that that owuldn't be happening anymore because Christ now died for our sins so that we would have to have those things done.

[F_L_I_P]

I dont think anything is wrong with homosexuality. but it is a sin...but its just two people loving each other who jus happens to be the same gender. i dont see how thats a sin...i dont reall know what im talking about...

[sammi rules you]

i really dont get why homosexuality is deemed 'wrong' by many. how in the world is it wrong? if were gonna go that route, then how about those who think its wrong? why arent straight people deemed 'wrong'? so homosexuals cant have babies, so what? the adoption agency loves homosexuals. why cant we all?

[Spirited Away]

i really dont get why homosexuality is deemed 'wrong' by many. how in the world is it wrong? if were gonna go that route, then how about those who think its wrong? why arent straight people deemed 'wrong'? so homosexuals cant have babies, so what? the adoption agency loves homosexuals. why cant we all?

As I have said: As in the case of beauty, rightness and wrongness in the sense of morality (and religion), is in the eye of the beholder.

What's right to you may not be right for others. How can you expect to have everyone agree on one side of a controversy?

I do not have anything against homosexuality, but the act of sodomy and the pressing of legalizing gay marriages do bother me. I see them as morally corrupted things, and I understand that others do not feel the same way.

Can you accept incestry? Can you accept relationships between students and teachers?

[TR4NC3F0RM3RZ]

Look at it this way.

People have rights.
Colored people are people.
Homosexual people are also people.
Colored people now have rights.
Shouldn't homosexual people also have rights?

I don't like them. I don't want anything to do with them. Many people don't like them. Many despise them. But, regardless of whether you like them or not, let them live their lives as they please. Shouldn't they have rights too?

[Spirited Away]

Look at it this way.

People have rights.
Colored people are people.
Homosexual people are also people.
Colored people now have rights.
Shouldn't homosexual people also have rights?

Geez, people seem to ignore my arguement on purpose.

Incest couples are people, students and teachers are people, why can't they have the same rights that straight and homosexuals have?

[kesey]

It is not the same thing. Homosexuality is one issue. They were talking about more than one issue and only reading in the old testament about stonging and such when if they were to ocntinue reading into the new testament it say that we are now under the new church, christ. And that that owuldn't be happening anymore because Christ now died for our sins so that we would have to have those things done.

Okay, so you're saying thing's changed. Views changed. Who's to say it's not the same for homosexuality, huh? I'll refer you to a later book of the Bible, which was definitely the last word on the subject:

1 Peter 3:1-6
Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands... Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, Who obeyed Abraham and called him her master...

So you're telling me, this final word from God, after he died and was rose up and again (you know the story), EVERY single woman who wears a little bit of makeup, speaks for herself instead of her husband, decides to take charge of her own life... is a cold-hearted sinner?

Do you use makeup? Do you wait at your father's or your boyfriend's feet?

This goes back to an argument that, you know what? Everyone's a sinner. If you're not gay, you lied or even cheated on your 3rd grade math test. And don't tell me it's not the same, because you know what? All sins are equal in God's eyes, and yes, that IS in the Bible. No one's a perfect person, and really, if we went EXACTLY by what the Bible said, word for word, NO one would go into heaven. So, it's by his grace, right? Okay. Who are you, or any human being, to judge what falls under his grace and what doesn't?

[onenonly101]

I don't know where you got any of that out of what I said. If you were to read my other posts about homosexuality I said it is the same sin as anything else because all sin is equally in God's eyes.

homosexuality is a sin because God said it was a sin. It is a sin just as any other sin no greater no less.

but being gay is the same sin as lying or cheating. God views all sins equally wrong and bad

No one's a perfect person, and really, if we went EXACTLY by what the Bible said, word for word, NO one would go into heaven.

No if Jesus Christ did not die on the cross then none of us would get into heaven.

And no i don't wear makeup, i don't have a boyfriend right now and yes i do obey and honor to my father because he is my parent and i am to honor him.

Views about homosexuality according to the bible have not changed from leviticus to romans that it is a sexual sin. The person that i had first quoted said that if we were to go right form the bible everyone would be stoned and what not. I am saying that before Christ came the punishment from sin was death, but when Christ came and died for us he paid for all of our sins so that we would not have to pay for our sins, therefore there woulod be no more sacrfices and stoning.

Who are you, or any human being, to judge what falls under his grace and what doesn't?

I am not saying what i feel about homosexuality just from judging it myself, i am getting these views from God and from his Word.

I don't know how you got all of what you are saying out of that.

[Mini]

i really think they are born with the homosexual tendencies. i think i liked guys when i was like 4. i think then people from their morals choose whether they would stick with it or not. i really cant help feeling for both guys and girls. i really cant..its something inside i know i can not change.

being homosexual might be a sin, but i dont think to love someone is a sin. dont we have the right to pursue our happiness? im not Jewish, Christian, or Catholic, but i respect their views very much. accept the view on homosexuality. i think that God loves everyone of us, and so Jesus gave us another chance to cleanse us in God's eyes. but i dont know really if to love someone in the same gender is really a sin, that's why i believe in soulmates. i cant say the Bible is wrong, but it speaks metaphorically. how do we know we are even interpreting it the correct way? im not really sure. and you cant really imply the same religious laws to other people because they do have different religions. so im really not sure..almost every religion believes in this universal being except for some others like Hindus who believe in multiple Gods. i dont think anyone knows for sure what is false and what is right. only when we die we can only know the truth if everything we say about God or other suspicions are indeed true.

right now, im not judgemental on anything. i respect what everyone has to say and i am open. but i dont think anyone who is on the Earth can truly prove anything. i really think people should respect the rights of others AS humans and nothing else. we all have the right to freedom, life, religion, and the pursuit of happiness. i dont think anyone else has the power to take that away. think about it

[illmizzkim]

I'm Catholic, but I'm the type of person who doesn't believe in everything one Religion or one group of people says. You should always listen to what people have to say, and figure out for yourself what you find is right.

Yes, I'm Catholic and I'm bisexual. I'm pretty religious, but you shouldn't deny someone from loving another person so much--even if they are of the same sex. If you cannot help but loving that person so much that you want to live the rest of your life with them, then why not?

Back to what Mini said, you really cannot change what kind of person you desire to Love. It's like having a preference for a specific race or a specific body type. It's something you feel inside that you can't change.

But the point is--we're all human and we all deserve rights no matter what kind of preferences we have. That's just my opinion..

[Kitsune_black666]

I think along the same lines as you, illmizzkim

[OriskybusinessO]

Erm, being closed minded is disgusting? Are you sure you want to generalize that statement?

EVERYONE is closed minded at some point, genius.

Why don't you all be open minded about incest? Or a relationship between a 10 year old and a 34 year old?

I do not approve of them, but it's just me being 'closed minded'. I guess the rest of you must be saints or angels and can accept anything out of the ordinary and are soooo open to suggestions. More power to you if you truly are that way...

But PLEASE, if you're not so open minded about incest or student teacher relationship, then keep the level of hypocrisy down in your arguements.

I agree, averyone IS close-minded at one point, but chew on this... if the majority was homosexual and it was accepted by the majority, would you feel the same way?

...and can accept anything out of the ordinary...

So, you are against it because it is 'out of the ordinary'? THAT is being close-minded.

I think its perfectly OK to like the same sex, i support it. But what really gets me is when my sister thinks i am homosexual because i support it. I mean, i m not descriminating, i just want her to understand...

Did that make sense? I hope.

[Spirited Away]

I agree, averyone IS close-minded at one point, but chew on this... if the majority was homosexual and it was accepted by the majority, would you feel the same way?

I would still feel the same way. If I deem something is immoral, I won't change my mind simply because of what other people say. That may be the case for some people who can't hold to their opinions, but rest assured that I can hold my own.

...and can accept anything out of the ordinary...

So, you are against it because it is 'out of the ordinary'? THAT is being close-minded.

Okay, can you accept incest? How about a teacher f**king a student? Gee, answer those and then come back to me about "out of ordinary" things.

I think its perfectly OK to like the same sex, i support it. But what really gets me is when my sister thinks i am homosexual because i support it. I mean, i m not descriminating, i just want her to understand...

I don't discriminate homosexuality, I discriminate homosexual marriages. There is a topic on "gay marriages" where someone (and my Mom) did changed my mind with a simple "how would you like it if it were you?" question, instead of the usual hypocrisy.

[EmeraldKnight]

I'm not going to bother reading the previous posts because I dont intend on arguing this much.. but all the arguments here and all the controversy are because of cultural and society prejudices

Aside from religion or upbringing, I dont see why there should be this controversy

[skaterjswife2]

LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO!!! sheeeez. People can't help the way they feel.. telling them that they're wrong for liking a person is like telling a black man he's wrong for being african. they can't help it. grrrrrrrrr.

GOD GAVE US ALL FREE WILL!!!! GRAAAR

[Joo_Hoodles]

LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO!!! sheeeez. People can't help the way they feel.. telling them that they're wrong for liking a person is like telling a black man he's wrong for being african. they can't help it. grrrrrrrrr.

GOD GAVE US ALL FREE WILL!!!! GRAAAR

I agree with this one!

[Sumiaki]

I'm not going to bother reading the previous posts because I dont intend on arguing this much.. but all the arguments here and all the controversy are because of cultural and society prejudices

Aside from religion or upbringing, I dont see why there should be this controversy

I agreee

[xHalf nHalf]

LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO!!! sheeeez. People can't help the way they feel.. telling them that they're wrong for liking a person is like telling a black man he's wrong for being african. they can't help it. grrrrrrrrr.

im sorry but that is sooo bogus. being homosexual and being a certain race are two totally different things. people may not be able to help what they feel, but they can control whether they yield and give into those feelings or not. as for being a certain race, people cant choose what ethnicity their parents are. we cant choose is we want to be black white etc etc

and for the record, i also think that homosexuality is morally wrong..

[EmeraldKnight]

and for the record, i also think that homosexuality is morally wrong..

And why is that?

What part of your morals does it clash with?

[xHalf nHalf]

because i am a Christian and do follow God's word(the bible) and as its been stated, we're told not to practice homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

[EmeraldKnight]

because i am a Christian and do follow God's word(the bible) and as its been stated, we're told not to practice homosexuality

There. Like I said.. the onli reason there is this controversy is purely because of religious beliefs and upbringing