illegal immigrants, should something be done? Options

[Spirited Away]

Too lazy? English is the hardest language to learn, and what about those with learning disabilities?

Very true, except for English being the hardest language to learn. It may be the hardest Indo-European language to know (in my opinion), but I'm almost positive that it isn't the hardest.

English may be a breeze for native borns and young children, but to older foreigners, it is hard to learn unless they have a good tongue and mind for language.

To say that people are too lazy to learn isn't all that fair, but I can understand why that is a valid accusation. There are immigrants, illegal and legal, who just don't care to learn and expect translators to do the job, but there are people who try very hard to speak it. So really, you can't group all immigrants together in the "they're too lazy to learn English" category.

[EmeraldKnight]

Very true, except for English being the hardest language to learn. It may be the hardest Indo-European language to know (in my opinion), but I'm almost positive that it isn't the hardest.

English may be a breeze for native borns and young children, but to older foreigners, it is hard to learn unless they have a good tongue and mind for language.

To say that people are too lazy to learn isn't all that fair, but I can understand why that is a valid accusation. There are immigrants, illegal and legal, who just don't care to learn and expect translators to do the job, but there are people who try very hard to speak it. So really, you can't group all immigrants together in the "they're too lazy to learn English" category

Additionally, many of them struggle to make a living; many dont have the time to learn English; and I totally agree on the grouping issue

so because it takes so long, you're saying we can let them cheat the system by sneaking in.

why? why make laws preventing illegal immigration and border patrols when you're going to reward them for sneaking in? it doesn't make sense

Uh..... I suppose you got me there... legally we should do everything we can to export them...

But, considering the situation with the war on terror, budget deficit and all, border patrol doesnt seem like a very high priority at the moment.. at least not for illegal immigrants

I mean.. if they're already in the US and establish a living, besides the legal reason, why should we deport them? What are they doing wrong? Legally we should deport them, I admit that; morally though, I dont believe we should

[*CrackedRearView*]

I think it should be cracked down on for one main reason:

The crime that illegal immigration spawns.

1) You have more hate crimes both against the illegal immigrants and committed by them.

2) The problem with the crime that illegal immigrants commit is that it's in such stealth, they could hold up the local convenience store, leave every single finger print they wished, get caught on every single security camera, and get away squeaky clean.

We don't have any records on them, so yes, "a little piece of paper" is quite important.

It's hard enough now to track down criminals having every piece of their history on file.

Imagine how hard it is having zilch...

[*CrackedRearView*]

Don't get me wrong, I know most of them are hard working, honest people, and I would gladly grant them citizenship any day of the week if I had the power.

But, as it's always been in any ethnicity, there are the select 1 or 2 percent who could be a potentially psychotic serial killer.

[LaRevolucion]

by not punishing illegals, you're telling terrorists that they can get into the US and nothing will be done to them.

There's a difference between a terorrist and an illegal immigrant.

[LaRevolucion]

Very true, except for English being the hardest language to learn. It may be the hardest Indo-European language to know (in my opinion), but I'm almost positive that it isn't the hardest.

English may be a breeze for native borns and young children, but to older foreigners, it is hard to learn unless they have a good tongue and mind for language.

To say that people are too lazy to learn isn't all that fair, but I can understand why that is a valid accusation. There are immigrants, illegal and legal, who just don't care to learn and expect translators to do the job, but there are people who try very hard to speak it. So really, you can't group all immigrants together in the "they're too lazy to learn English" category.

I agree completely. Thank you for pointing that out.

[EmeraldKnight]

Don't get me wrong, I know most of them are hard working, honest people, and I would gladly grant them citizenship any day of the week if I had the power.

But, as it's always been in any ethnicity, there are the select 1 or 2 percent who could be a potentially psychotic serial killer.

ONE OR TWO PERCENT.. you said it yourself, why punish the entire group over 1 or 2 percent?

I think it should be cracked down on for one main reason:

The crime that illegal immigration spawns.

1) You have more hate crimes both against the illegal immigrants and committed by them.

2) The problem with the crime that illegal immigrants commit is that it's in such stealth, they could hold up the local convenience store, leave every single finger print they wished, get caught on every single security camera, and get away squeaky clean.

We don't have any records on them, so yes, "a little piece of paper" is quite important.

It's hard enough now to track down criminals having every piece of their history on file.

Imagine how hard it is having zilch...

1. Where do you get this statement? Evidence?
2. You killed your own argument.. read the last statement "Imagine how hard it is having zilch..."

I have 2 responses to that statement:
1. You said so yourself, its hard, so why make it harder?
2. If they have zilch, tell me: how the heck do they manage to obtain weapons to hold up convenience stores?

[*kryogenix*]

There's a difference between a terorrist and an illegal immigrant.

They have similar motives: To get into the United States without going through customs. Both try to get into the United States illegally. Both are costing the US money.

[ComradeRed]

How are illegal immigrants costing us money?

They only cost us money if we pay them welfare. Get rid of welfare, and "illegal" immigration ceases to become a problem.

[*kryogenix*]

How are illegal immigrants costing us money?

They only cost us money if we pay them welfare. Get rid of welfare, and "illegal" immigration ceases to become a problem.

border patrols. if there was no threat of illegal immigration, we wouldn't need to have teams of men patrol the border and set up fences.

[onenonly101]

No, we are wasting our money. Obviously they are still making it over so there isn't a need for border control when everybody is still finding a way in

[rnrn897]

yea.. cuz they might be criminals who're trying to hide
but some could be innocent ppl who're trying to leave the communist country and shtuff

[ComradeRed]

border patrols. if there was no threat of illegal immigration, we wouldn't need to have teams of men patrol the border and set up fences.

Exactly... legalize it and no more need for massive boreder patrols. if you crack down you will only need MORE border patrols. Concentrate patrols on t'rists.

[EmeraldKnight]

Adding to border patrols, they also check for illegal substances, and terrorists attempting to enter the US, both of which are of far greater concern than a few immigrants

[*CrackedRearView*]

ONE OR TWO PERCENT.. you said it yourself, why punish the entire group over 1 or 2 percent?

Is it really punishment to make them get a green card? .......

1. Where do you get this statement? Evidence?

Well, I supposed I combine personal experience with common logic on this one.

I don't know if you live near the Mexican border or in the California/Texas vicinity, but when I lived in San Diego, defenseless illegals would be stigmatized simply because of their lack of citizenship. I've seen it myself.

More come in? It gets worse.

2. You killed your own argument.. read the last statement "Imagine how hard it is having zilch..."

You've completely misconstrued my argument.

1. You said so yourself, its hard, so why make it harder?

We'd make it harder to track dowbn illegal immigrant criminals by cracking down on the borders? What?!

2. If they have zilch, tell me: how the heck do they manage to obtain weapons to hold up convenience stores?

Misunderstanding. I wasn't talking about the immigrants having zilch...I was talking about the police having zilch.

No records on them whatsoever. DNA testing on a strand of hair wouldn't even be sufficient enough since they weren't born here, and haven't gone through the requirements to get citizenship. We haven't a clue of their existence.

[EmeraldKnight]

Is it really punishment to make them get a green card? .......

Green card, no. Deporting them and offsetting their lifestyle, yes.

Well, I supposed I combine personal experience with common logic on this one.

I don't know if you live near the Mexican border or in the California/Texas vicinity, but when I lived in San Diego, defenseless illegals would be stigmatized simply because of their lack of citizenship. I've seen it myself.

More come in? It gets worse.

So why dont we help the defenseless illegals instead of deporting them?

We'd make it harder to track dowbn illegal immigrant criminals by cracking down on the borders? What?!

I meant their life.. you said it was hard enough, why make it harder is what I'm asking..

Misunderstanding. I wasn't talking about the immigrants having zilch...I was talking about the police having zilch.

No records on them whatsoever. DNA testing on a strand of hair wouldn't even be sufficient enough since they weren't born here, and haven't gone through the requirements to get citizenship. We haven't a clue of their existence.

Yes, so why spend all the effort and tax dollars trying to track down illegal immigrants currently in the US if they're doing no harm; it'd onli divert law enforcement from the more necessary objectives, maintaining order, patrolling the border for illegal substances and terrorists

[Sumiaki]

Well I agree with everyone saying that illegal aliens are ok. They help the economy and take jobs that americans think are lowly. Plus, most illegal aliens move because of a local threat or poverty. Getting citizenship isnt the easiest thing to do, my dad actually sponsored my uncle into coming to the U.S. legally. It takes time and money, some things illegal aliens don't have.

[EmeraldKnight]

Well I agree with everyone saying that illegal aliens are ok. They help the economy and take jobs that americans think are lowly. Plus, most illegal aliens move because of a local threat or poverty. Getting citizenship isnt the easiest thing to do, my dad actually sponsored my uncle into coming to the U.S. legally. It takes time and money, some things illegal aliens don't have.

Yes, exactly.. like I said..

Legally, we should go after them..

Morally and realistically.. no, we have far better things to do

[*CrackedRearView*]

Do you not agree that an illegal immigrant could commit a heinous crime and get away with it much easier that a person whom the U.S. government has complete records on?

That was the entire point of my post...

It had nothing to do with making "the immigrant's lives harder"...

If they want to be in our country and mooch off our jobs so bad, they should strive to get citizenship rather than pussyfoot across the border.

[EmeraldKnight]

Do you not agree that an illegal immigrant could commit a heinous crime and get away with it much easier that a person whom the U.S. government has complete records on?

That was the entire point of my post...

It had nothing to do with making "the immigrant's lives harder"...

They could, but most struggle hard enough just to survive

If they want to be in our country and mooch off our jobs so bad, they should strive to get citizenship rather than pussyfoot across the border. 

Citizenship is an extremely tedious process, especially after 9/11.. during the time spent waiting, they might die because of horrid conditions in their country

[Sumiaki]

Yea, getting citizenship isnt like overnight stuff. It might take a little more than 2 years to get FULL citizenship, maybe even alot more. Most people who come here illegally are in a crisis situation with food, famine, and etc. Tell me... can you put off a crisis for a couple of years?

As for learning english. Most adults dont have the time or money to take classes. So they usually put their kid to school and take an ESL class so that they can be "translators" or help teach their own parents.

[redsoxbaby87]

i just dont see how people can possibley be illegal. if this is a free country than why shouldnt they be allowed to live here too. they are only helping the economy.

[poisonedxivy]

i just dont see how people can possibley be illegal. if this is a free country than why shouldnt they be allowed to live here too. they are only helping the economy.

it's only free for those who are here legally. just because it's a free country doesn't mean free borders. if what your sayng was true, then there is no way america could have upheld its whole "home of the free" approach. overpopulation. dont want that happening in the US. just because they help the economy doesn't mean they're good. anyone heard the expression "too many cooks spoil the broth"? well to me... they're the cooks.

[forgottenrazor]

no i dont see anything wrong with imigrants being here,besides people that are imigants always end up cleaning up after you...taking care of your kids(babysitting),cleaning,stuff like that,i dont see anything wrong with it..

[forgottenrazor]

i just dont see how people can possibley be illegal. if this is a free country than why shouldnt they be allowed to live here too. they are only helping the economy.

yea thats true...completely agree.