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 Jul 2 2004, 09:59 PM
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 dripping destruction  Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929  |
rats are very similar to humans. i dissected one, and we didn't have a rat model so we used the human one. everything is in the same place, except the gall blader, which they don't have.
mice have nervous systems very similar to humans. they get parkinsans, huntingtons, and other genetic nervous disorders. the point is (for med, there are lives that can be saved, but to make sure that we're saving them and not killing them, we have to test the product on animals. for cosmetics, its so the users don't get hurt. every cosmetic's ingredients have been tested on animals. the ones that say not tested on animals just uses ingredients already found safe. through animal testing. |
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Jul 2 2004, 11:59 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
The med use is unavoidable and very legitimate.. as for cosmetics..
QUOTE for cosmetics, its so the users don't get hurt. every cosmetic's ingredients have been tested on animals. the ones that say not tested on animals just uses ingredients already found safe. through animal testing. Ok, I believe in Darwinism and survival of the fittest and all... but do we realli need to take the lives of animals to further erm.. what's a good word.. glorify ourselves with cosmetics? |
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Jul 3 2004, 06:26 AM
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Brie Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 10,172 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 20,548 |
QUOTE(v@por @ May 20 2004, 9:09 AM) should animals be used in experiments? Hell, no. I think animals are about as equal as humans are. They breathe, sleep, and have their own purpose on this earth. I think they deserve to live, and I don't think you should take an innocent animal and then just start conducting experiments on it. How would you like it..?.. your life where your only purpose is to provide results to snooty scientists who only care about making money.. That'd suck.. |
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Jul 3 2004, 05:52 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
for all those who are against animal testing, particularily by the cosmetic industry, i have something for you.
an eyedrop- never tested on animals!! no animals harmed. oops. how was i supposed to know that acid(just example, put some weird new chemical here) wasn't a moisturizer? hmm... i could have found out if i had used animal subjects, but last year, PETA (the terrorist group) bombed my laborotory and killed a scientist. so now i don't use animal testing. so you're all dead and the animals are alive. and i'm laughing. survival of the fittest. ANIMAL TESTING IS WRONG. THE ANIMALS GET NERVOUS AND GIVE ALL THE WRONG ANSWERS. it's either you or the animals that are going to be the geuinia pigs for new cosmetics, medicines, exc. so, who's going to live? you or the animals? P.S. it story with the lab is fictional. the point of that was to show you that people get hurt when things aren't tested on animals. |
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Jul 3 2004, 09:22 PM
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 s a r a h r o s e <3 Group: Member Posts: 575 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 12,944 |
NO, NO and lets c- um.. NO!
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Jul 3 2004, 09:41 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(x hYpErRoSeY x @ Jul 3 2004, 9:22 PM) NO, NO and lets c- um.. NO! How about: DO RESEARCH, DO RESEARCH and lets c- um... DO RESEARCH! |
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Jul 3 2004, 10:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE How about: DO RESEARCH, DO RESEARCH and lets c- um... DO RESEARCH! Haha, too lazy  And besides.. it looks like you've pretty much sealed this one.. I'm afraid of debating against you on this 
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Jul 3 2004, 10:29 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 10:15 PM) Haha, too lazy And besides.. it looks like you've pretty much sealed this one.. I'm afraid of debating against you on this I'm not arguing. Heck, I can't even pick a side. Trust me when I say that I love animals, but I love humanity as well. It's just that I don't like people to jumping to conclusions because of their sentiments. I'm guilty of that... but at least I limit myself.
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Jul 3 2004, 10:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE I'm not arguing. Heck, I can't even pick a side. Trust me when I say that I love animals, but I love humanity as well. It's just that I don't like people to jumping to conclusions because of their sentiments. I'm guilty of that... but at least I limit myself. Haha I can't pick on many of these topics either.. I just see what people are arguing for and try to improv the other side
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Jul 3 2004, 10:52 PM
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I am Sandy. Hear me roar. Group: Member Posts: 1,152 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,896 |
for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation
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Jul 3 2004, 11:14 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(kyuubi319 @ Jul 3 2004, 10:52 PM) for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation Right On! QUOTE Haha I can't pick on many of these topics either.. I just see what people are arguing for and try to improv the other side Ah, that's too hard... I can't argue for something I don't agree with. |
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Jul 3 2004, 11:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE Ah, that's too hard... I can't argue for something I don't agree with. I do it poorly QUOTE for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation And yes, its our sympathy that makes us care for these animals.. but sympathy is often overridden when you're threatened with a grave illness.. natural survival instincts start to kick in there |
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Jul 4 2004, 08:25 AM
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i'm an animal luver. animals have as much right to live on this planet as us. why the hell are we treating them like this?! why is it ok to experiment with rabbits and mice?? why not lawyers n politicians??
 
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Jul 4 2004, 12:24 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(LJrules @ Jul 4 2004, 8:25 AM) i'm an animal luver. animals have as much right to live on this planet as us. why the hell are we treating them like this?! why is it ok to experiment with rabbits and mice?? why not lawyers n politicians?? Please refer to previous posts for your answer, thanks. |
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Jul 4 2004, 01:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 65 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 20,165 |
i think in some ways yes. b/c they cant test on humans then animals are the next best thing. dont get me wrong i luv animals, i have two dogs and a bird who i luv dearly but sum things have to be sacrifice for the better of others.
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Jul 4 2004, 09:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE i think in some ways yes. b/c they cant test on humans then animals are the next best thing. dont get me wrong i luv animals, i have two dogs and a bird who i luv dearly but sum things have to be sacrifice for the better of others. Exactly.. the last statement "sum things have to be sacrificed for the [welfare] of others" Its survival of the fittest.. their lives or ours.. take your pick. |
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Jul 6 2004, 01:44 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
personally, i think it would be fun to deprive a PETA fanatic from all animal tested products.
they wouldn't be able to use the microwave, cell phones, TVs, bandages, antibiotics, any soap (except lye), any cosmetics (even those said not tested on animals, because it's just tested in parts), any medical technology. it'd be fun to see how long they live. |
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Jul 6 2004, 02:02 PM
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 ^ moo... Group: Member Posts: 962 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 25,212 |
well, wtf.. are we gonna test it on humans? would YOU volunteer? :T
QUOTE Animal testing is horrible, and should be stopped. Why do scientists have to test the effects of nicotine and caffine on animals when we already know their effect on humans? Why do we need to extract pre-natal kittens from their mother, inject their spinal cord with a chemical and replace them in their mother's womb, only to kill them when they're born to see the effects of the chemical on their natal growth? Why should rabbits have sections of their fur shaved off and their skin scouraged so they can test chemicals, nail polish remover, or cosmetics on their flesh? Animal testing is cruel ...there ar eother useful stuffs.. |
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Jul 7 2004, 10:10 AM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
one thing people tout as a replacemet to animal testing is in vitro testing
the problem is you need a living system. in vitro testing is just in the enviromet you create in te test tube. there is only one way to test on a living system. that is to test on something alive. and that's either a human or an animal. |
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Jul 7 2004, 10:32 AM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE one thing people tout as a replacemet to animal testing is in vitro testing the problem is you need a living system. in vitro testing is just in the enviromet you create in te test tube. there is only one way to test on a living system. that is to test on something alive. and that's either a human or an animal. Erm.. can you explain in vitro in more detail? |
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Jul 7 2004, 10:39 AM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
in vitro means under glass
in vitro testing is testing in a test tube, petri dish, or other laboratory controled environment, however, this is not a living system so that it cannot be used in place of a living system, I.E. an animal. |
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Jul 7 2004, 11:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE however, this is not a living system so that it cannot be used in place of a living system, I.E. an animal. Exactly.. so how does that solve the problem? |
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Jul 7 2004, 06:26 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
it doesn't. my point was that there is no substitute to using live animals.
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Jul 7 2004, 10:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE it doesn't. my point was that there is no substitute to using live animals. Oh.. gotcha
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Jul 12 2004, 09:14 AM
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 3,565, you n00bs ain't got nothin' on me. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,761 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,565 |
Animal testing is like saying, oh, ill shave and cut a mouse's or rabbit's skin to try some detergent. or force open a rabbits eye wth no tearducts to ease the pain, immobolize them, and kill them to test some household cleaning element.
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