what gives us the right... Options

[princess2113]

y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war

[EmeraldKnight]

y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war 

Yeah.. we dont have the right, its realli stupid and arrogant of our leaders to think that.. they're building up an American Empire.. i think someone paralled this to Rome..

[LiNHy POO]

yehh i agree... who made us the ruling country? i guess since our country is more stable than others... and we're trying to help the other countries out? well sumthing like that!!

[immersion31]

hmm...never really noticed that. i say that we should jus mind our own n yea. still good to help though...

[Spirited Away]

y does America try to control other countries...i mean we want them to be free...but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war

I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT

Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country.

[ryfitaDF]

don't you mean korea? i've never heard of japan having any weapons...

but since teddy roosevelt we've been "the constable of the world", but now it seems like we're just bossing everyone around.

[EmeraldKnight]

I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT

Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their country.

Yeah.. I think that's right.. but Japan's more of an example.. I mean.. like Iraq or something, and the ongoing war on terrorism (which has no foreseeable end as of yet..).. why should we police the world? We dont even wait for UN approval anymore.. this country seems to be taking a turn down a very dark road..

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but since teddy roosevelt we've been "the constable of the world", but now it seems like we're just bossing everyone around. 

Exactly.. it seems like the onli valid opinion, the onli valid government (for example), is our own.. if other countries dont model after us, they're wrong.. at least that seems to be the attitude the politicians are taking..

[DisneyPrincessKa...]

Yeah.. I think that's right.. but Japan's more of an example.. I mean.. like Iraq or something, and the ongoing war on terrorism (which has no foreseeable end as of yet..).. why should we police the world? We dont even wait for UN approval anymore.. this country seems to be taking a turn down a very dark road..

You're kidding right? We aren't in Iraq to police the world! We're in Iraq because they attacked us and we retaliated! Doesn't anyone remember 9/11? Also, they said the war would take a long time. They said that from the very beginning of the whole ordeal. Guess what though, it's been going much faster than expected.

[princess2113]

[QUOTE]I'm not too sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.. BUT
Japan doesn't have a much of a military compare to the USA. Infact, someone told me that they depend on American military more than ever simply because their tax money goes towards education the most and the least goes to military, or something like that. I'm sure they don't mind US presence in their
country. [QUOTE]
thats b/c we limit how much military they can have...im not trying to critize the government, it just seems wrong

[*kryogenix*]

but like Japan, we dont let them have weapons...dont get me wrong i know its for our protection...it just seems like we alwayz get exactly what we want, and when we dont...there goes a war

maybe because the japanese said they would only make a defense force and never declare war again? the JASDF does have plenty of weapons. here, take a look at some:

http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/weapons.htm
http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm

[onenonly101]

You're kidding right? We aren't in Iraq to police the world! We're in Iraq because they attacked us and we retaliated! Doesn't anyone remember 9/11? Also, they said the war would take a long time. They said that from the very beginning of the whole ordeal. Guess what though, it's been going much faster than expected.

:errm: As I recall, Iraq did not strike us first. Iraq did not make 9/11 happen.

Sure it is going much fatser......running the country into the ground. We want to say oh yeah an Iraqi government, but want to get upset when the president does not want out presence there.

[ComradeRed]

We can't afford to police the world. We blow up people who haven't done anything, they pick up guns and shoot at us, and meanwhile we're spending $100 billion to build roads ofr a country with no cars.

[*Kathleen*]

As I recall, Iraq did not strike us first. Iraq did not make 9/11 happen.

Yes, but their brutal dictator, Saddam, had connections to terrorists and Bush declared a war on terror after 9/11.

[ComradeRed]

There is not a single shred of evidence that Saddam Hussein had terrorist ties.

In fact, Bin Laden was trying to overthrow Hussein since he got into power.

[XaZnX07]

wow never thought of that now that i did wow interesting hmmmm............







.:tony:.

[DisneyPrincessKa...]

:errm: As I recall, Iraq did not strike us first. Iraq did not make 9/11 happen.

Sure it is going much fatser......running the country into the ground. We want to say oh yeah an Iraqi government, but want to get upset when the president does not want out presence there.

There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that)

And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression.

[ComradeRed]

Of course, Al Qaeda is based in Afghanistan and all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

How does Iraq figure into that?

[JlIaTMK]

There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that)

And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression.

ok bud but we supposedly went into Iraq for the reason of Saddam Hussien.... not for the terrorists....

[EmeraldKnight]

We can't afford to police the world. We blow up people who haven't done anything, they pick up guns and shoot at us, and meanwhile we're spending $100 billion to build roads ofr a country with no cars. 

Exactly, excellent point.

Sure it is going much fatser......running the country into the ground. We want to say oh yeah an Iraqi government, but want to get upset when the president does not want out presence there.

How is it going much faster?

Yes, but their brutal dictator, Saddam, had connections to terrorists and Bush declared a war on terror after 9/11.

There are terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people. Now we're going after them for killing Americans. True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11. (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that)

So we should go and invade every single country with connections to terrorists?

And for pete sakes! The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression.

The Great Depression was extreme.. but at the rate things are going...

[PinoyOtaku]

maybe because the japanese said they would only make a defense force and never declare war again? the JASDF does have plenty of weapons. here, take a look at some:

http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/weapons.htm
http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm

Aww you beated me to it.

BTW don't forget the JGSDF and JMSDF.

There are terrorists in Iraq.  Terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Pentagon, killing thousands of people.  Now we're going after them for killing Americans.  True, it wasn't Iraq, but the Alquidea is in Iraq, and they were the guys behind 9/11.  (I know that I spelled Alquidea wrong, sorry bout that)

And for pete sakes!  The country may not be doing as well as is was before the war, but this is nothing compared to the great depression.

I'm a believer that Al Qaeda had no ties with Iraq nor Iraq housing terrorists until the war and occupation.

[EmeraldKnight]

BTW don't forget the JGSDF and JMSDF. 

What are those?

I'm a believer that Al Qaeda had no ties with Iraq nor Iraq housing terrorists until the war and occupation. 

Supposedly they did have ties... supposedly.. though I'm disinclined to believe stuff coming out of the White House anymore..

How did this debate turn into focusing on Iraq all of a sudden?

[rOckThISshYt]

i agree with you, kelly. we try to take over other countries, inderectly. but we try to flash our power and wealth (even though we're in debt right now. thanks to our wonderful *sarcastic* president bush. he's ditching our economy while playing golf ). so, really, what does give us that right?

[onenonly101]

Of course, Al Qaeda is based in Afghanistan and all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

How does Iraq figure into that?

I was about to say the same thing. People don't realize that they came from Saudi, and they are in fact Saudi and not Iraqi.

How is it going much faster?

The person before me said something about the war going fast and the country getting better faster. And i diagree. I think sure it has moved fast, us running their country into the ground. Right now i 'm like we need to get out. If they want to kill each other and have a coup every new years, let them it is their country and their right.

[EmeraldKnight]

Still not sure why everyone's focusing on arguing Iraq.. but it seems like no one believes we have the right to do so..

[kyuubi319]

i wouldnt say we're bossing the other countries around, but taking all of it into consideration, we're probably the most stable and well off, and if we didnt but in every now an then, there'd be missiles flying everywhere.