school uniforms Options

[Spirited Away]

the army is a socialist structure. 

it is, by definition. 

the soviets drove all the same cars, when they happened to have cars. 

by the way, socialist means that the government provides everything, like cars, food, equipment, and you work for them.  like the army

communism is that everyone shares the same stuff. 


communism is an economic system, but socialism is not.


anyways, you didn't not adress the real issue. 

that uniforms are the tools of tyrants, and oppressive governments, used to supprese individuality. 

i was saying, that washow the soviets used them.

and although that isn't the purpose of uniforms for schools

it will get the same result.

Socialism has many definations and the one that you gave: "government provides everything"... is only one of them.

However, socialism IS an economic system, I don't understand how it is not as you say. Communism and socialism is similar in the fact that they both strive for a system of production based on public ownership and centralized planning. Socialism "grows directly out of capitalism".

Anyway, to say that uniforms suggest uniformity, communism, socialism, what not, is indeed a possibility.

But do you also realize that uniforms suggest an educational environment (as schools should) and that they teach kids not to care so much for materialistic and shallow things, such as who wears the most stylist clothes.

We do NOT live in a communistic society nor are we socialists. Why would be worried that their clothing trend will affect our children negatively?

Just FYI, we're NOT a pure capitalist economy either and so to argue that tactics used by socialists and/or communists is bad or tasteless (or however you feel about them) is quite problematic.

[sadolakced acid]

making kids wear the same things as each other isn't going change the kids.

ask some people who go to schools with uniforms.

ask, do they still have cliks? do they still have posses, groups? do they still treat people worst because of their appearances?

[Spirited Away]

making kids wear the same things as each other isn't going change the kids. 

ask some people who go to schools with uniforms. 

ask, do they still have cliks? do they still have posses, groups?  do they still treat people worst because of their appearances?

Ah Ha!

If kids in uniform still get to enjoy the things that kids who wear normal clothes would have, then what is the problem that you and others have with uniforms? Everything would be the same, with or without uniforms according to you.

I know that when I was in uniform, I liked it. When I see other kids in uniforms, I get the impression that they're kempt, clean, and even smart-looking.

[EmeraldKnight]

Once again, uninspiredfae has convered most of it..

ask some people who go to schools with uniforms. 

ask, do they still have cliks? do they still have posses, groups?  do they still treat people worst because of their appearances?

I have friends that go to schools which mandate uniforms.. they dont mind.. they still have cliches and stuff.. and treat ppl worse, but its not nearly as bad as it is in schools without uniforms

[sadolakced acid]

but wait...

you say that uniforms won't change anything. so we agree!
which means, all the reasons about changing the way kids treat each other and feel are bogus.

and the only two things are

- the ability to not care about what to wear(for uniforms)
- the right to wear what you want (within limits), and the choice to wear what you want. to wear comfortable clothes.

if i'm not mistaken, you can do the 'not worry about what you wear thing' without the school. just buy your own uniforms. i mean, gosh. don't try to make everyone else need a uniform just because you want one.

[Spirited Away]

but wait...

you say that uniforms won't change anything. so we agree!
which means, all the reasons about changing the way kids treat each other and feel are bogus.

But wait, yet again!~~~

I said that uniforms will not change in the form of enjoyment for kids, but I did add that uniforms give the impression of cleanliness, educational enviroment, and orderliness in schools, did I not? So aside from not changing what students enjoy, they have many more positive sides to them .

-  the ability to not care about what to wear(for uniforms)
-  the right to wear what you want (within limits), and the choice to wear what you want.  to wear comfortable clothes. 

But that's the thing, there are too many kids who love to rebel and/or expand and test their limits. They'll be wearing tube tops and shorts that shows half of their buttocks to school for a day to be cool and risk only a few days of detention (or whatever the punishment will be). However, by the time that kid is punished, the harm as already been done.

if i'm not mistaken, you can do the 'not worry about what you wear thing'  without the school.  just buy your own uniforms. i mean, gosh.  don't try to make everyone else need a uniform just because you want one.

Ah, but I'm not the only one who wants one. Like I mentioned earlier, I've spoken to parents who ardently agreed that they like the uniform system at their children's schools. I'm sure there are other students who wish to wear uniforms to school either. Lets see, parents + a number of students seem to be the majority.
I understand that you do not wish to wear uniform, and I'm sure that your school is not making you wear them. In this debate, I only want to make it clear that uniforms are not as bad as people who claim they take away "creativity", which is an absurd accusation in my opinion.

[sadolakced acid]

haha. it's more of not wanting to look like everyone else.

i know uniforms have thier plus side. i just think that making everyone wear the same clothes isn't good.

some kids don't like to wear what other people wear.

i really don't see how uniforms will make education any better. sure, people dress like sluts. but that doesn't really get in the way of learning.

uniforms or no, schools will be about the same.

but when it comes to a choice, i want the choice. i want the option to dress as i wish. it's about control, independene from those who control our live.

[Spirited Away]

haha.  it's more of not wanting to look like everyone else.

I was poor when I was in junior high, and I resented that other kids had nicer clothes than me while I had to wear tights (that's right, folks, tights) straight from a donation box. Let me tell you now that the kids who wore cooler clothes were not any smarter than me, infact, they were quite stupid. But I remember being look down on because I looked like a "fob". Trust me, I do not have any accent nor do I go all "azn pryde" on people. Not that being labled as such is bad, but I hate being labled all together.

some kids don't like to wear what other people wear. 

Totally understandable.

i really don't see how uniforms will make education any better.  sure, people dress like sluts.  but that doesn't really get in the way of learning.

In my youth, I wanted acceptance, I wanted to dress better to impress my peers, I wanted the things that I could not afford. There was a time when I care more about what I look like than what my next grade will be in class. I don't bother listening to the teacher, because I was too busy asking myself why I couldn't be like so and so popular girl. I understand that you will say, being popular is usually attributed to one's attitude, however, have you noticed that MOST popular people wear nice clothes?

People dressing like sluts and/or gigalos will have the most obvious effects in an educational institution. Pretend to be a parent, what would you think if you visit your child at school and saw kids walking around in dark, ganster-like garbs, clothes that leave little to the imagination of what the body looks like, and clothes that obviously had not been washed for months? I would be uncomfortable and unsure of what my child is learning.

uniforms or no, schools will be about the same. 

Depend on your definition of "same". Same as in same educational environment? Or same as in same atittudes and fun?

but when it comes to a choice, i want the choice. i want the option to dress as i wish.  it's about control, independene from those who control our live. 

When you're still dependent on your parents, I don't think you're very independent at all, uniforms or no.

[BeyondElite]

Yes because it have this idea to people that one school is clean and very well learned/teached.

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[XaZnX07]

umm i really dont care hehe





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[sadolakced acid]

The world will never be fair.

when you go to a job, unless it's at a fast food place or a low paying job, you don't get uniforms. you buy you're own suits. how you look in life makes an impression upon people.

in the world after graduation, there will not be uniforms. shouldn't school be more like the real world?

even if the real world isn't the best place, we should be prepared for it, right?


uniforms will make the school a better place, i'll give you that. it will make the kids focus more on learning. it will make school a better environment.

but that's not the real world. some kids step out of school thinking everything else is going to be the same.

nothing's fair in the world.

[Spirited Away]

Wearing your own special clothes do not make you prepare for the real world. Sure, you'll have lots of experience dressing yourself, but then again, do you know a lot of people who dress like bums when they're out of uniforms?

Your attitude and your character, intangible things, are what make you ready for the "real world". Wearing nice clothes will give you more confidence, but uniforms are nice, too, and you know that no one can make fun of you because of what you're wearing (because they wear the same thing! ).

[laur3nw]

no we shouldnt have to wear uniforms..we should be able to wear what we like and want

[EmeraldKnight]

People are too superficial.. why should the clothes we wear even matter? This realli shouldnt even be an issue.. *sigh* but since it is..

Your attitude and your character, intangible things, are what make you ready for the "real world". Wearing nice clothes will give you more confidence, but uniforms are nice, too, and you know that no one can make fun of you because of what you're wearing (because they wear the same thing!  ).

Wow.. nicely put.. hehe I think you're the main one defending this because you're the onli one that had to wear uniforms.. isnt there a saying.. something like "Dont criticize a man until you've walked too moons in his moccasins?" (some book I read in middle school..); well can't that be applied here? for all those critiquing uniforms.. I dont think they'll actually understand the significance/benefits until they've had to wear them too.. so far everyone I've met to that has to wear uniforms has liked the concept..

[sadolakced acid]

don't criticize someone untill you've walked a mile in thier shoes. that way, when you do criticize them, you're a mile away from them and you have thier shoes.

Your attitude and your character, intangible things, are what make you ready for the "real world". Wearing nice clothes will give you more confidence, but uniforms are nice, too, and you know that no one can make fun of you because of what you're wearing (because they wear the same thing!  ).

right. so now, you're being made fun of because of your looks, and other things. my point is, uniforms aren't going to stop it. and they aren't that good.

and, also, that only the army, the soviet union, fast food people, and other services wear uniforms.

[x hYpErRoSeY x]

if people already have uniforms i think they should have at least one day they can express themselves with their own clothes- if you can already have regular clothes- YOU ROCK! xD

[Spirited Away]

don't criticize someone untill you've walked a mile in thier shoes.  that way, when you do criticize them, you're a mile away from them and you have thier shoes. 

That's great and all if everyone would think like you do. And if everyone thinks like you do, the world would be a harmonous place.

right.  so now, you're being made fun of because of your looks, and other things.  my point is, uniforms aren't going to stop it.  and they aren't that good. 

You're always self-conscious about what you wear, there's no helping it. People may not notice what you wear, but you do. Oh, and don't bother saying that you don't because if you don't care then you wouldn't care wearing uniforms. Uniforms won't stop people from making fun of you because of your looks, but they won't make fun of you for what you're wearing, that's for sure.

and, also, that only the army, the soviet union, fast food people, and other services wear uniforms.

Sure, and what do you feel when you walk in to a nice, family restaurant where your servers are in clean uniforms? I feel like I'm getting good service, even though my server may be not be so kind.

What do you feel like when you walk into a hotel, where the staff is wearing uniforms? I would feel like they're very professional.

Politics and/or government agencies aren't the only ones using uniforms. You don't need to run a communistic country to require uniform either, you just have to like cleanliness, decorousness, and profesionalism.

if people already have uniforms i think they should have at least one day they can express themselves with their own clothes- if you can already have regular clothes- YOU ROCK! xD

That's a good idea, but of course, those clothes would have to be regulated, too.

[babixlilac]

uniforms are good so no one would be like o u copy me

[kyuubi319]

hell no! we should be allowed to expresss our individuality. i mean, if we all had uniforms, it'd be like, what the hell, we're all in the same package, but with different contents, and no one knows it but me! i dont know about you guys, but that sure would piss me off. i mean, do you really wanna be wearing what the annoying a-hole in the back of the class is wearing? I don't think so. everyone would look at you the same. sure descipline is a good reason for uniforms and all, but dont we get enough of that in school? ad then we'd all be a bunch of walking dummies that look exactly like everyone else. not cool dude.

[Spirited Away]

hell no! we should be allowed to expresss our individuality. i mean, if we all had uniforms, it'd be like, what the hell, we're all in the same package, but with different contents, and no one knows it but me! i dont know about you guys, but that sure would piss me off. i mean, do you really wanna be wearing what the annoying a-hole in the back of the class is wearing? I don't think so. everyone would look at you the same. sure descipline is a good reason for uniforms and all, but dont we get enough of that in school? ad then we'd all be a bunch of walking dummies that look exactly like everyone else. not cool dude.

What's the difference between wearing "dumb" uniforms, when a person's not all that smart either? Will wearing smart clothing make you smart? If you think clothes will make you an "individual"... then I don't know what to say....

Man, more and more people are making me speechless with their... erm... great comments.

[EmeraldKnight]

Man, more and more people are making me speechless with their... erm... great comments. 

Hahaha yes, I most definitely agree

[ComradeRed]

I think we should have uniforms, actually. For one thing, I won't have to be disgusted everyday at skirts shorter than five year-old girls' skirts, it would be a lot cheaper for many because parents wouldn't have to put up with buying the "latest trends" for their children. Oh, and about "expressing yourself" - trust me, there are plenty of ways to express yourself. You can write in English, join clubs, do sports, etc. There are tons of ways other than you can express yourself other than dress. Furthermore, it wouldn't make high school such a popularity contest. This is just one factor in that.

Come on, wear Gothic to a debate tournament. It would be expressing yourself. You know you want to!

[EmeraldKnight]

Come on, wear Gothic to a debate tournament. It would be expressing yourself. You know you want to!

LOL!!!! haha sorrie.. funny picture came into my mind..

[ComradeRed]

LOL!!!! haha sorrie.. funny picture came into my mind..

Of Kathleen or me?

[EmeraldKnight]

Of Kathleen or me?

Meh... generic.. picturing a debate tourney with ppl dressed in Gothic attire