Rather Mental Options

[*makeup-teddy*]

I take a great interest in mental illnesses.
We're learning some about it in English and how most mental illness stories reflect how society is..etc.

had some questions :)
First, in todays world, do you have to be diagnosed with a mental illness to be hospitalized? or can you check yourself in? just coz?

Second, do people still preform labotemies? (idk how to spell it). They used to do it a lot in the 1960s..and went in thru the eye sockets. If they still do it today, why?

Third, do you feel like society today is "neglecting" mentally ill people? do you feel that this is why almost 1/3 or more of homeless people have a mental illness? Society has falsely promised help for these people, homes and hospitals are full and they have no where to go? Or is it just an excuse to be where they're at in life?

Fourth, do you recommend any good books are movies about this stuff? i have read and watched Girl, Interrupted and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

Fifth, do you feel that the routines some hospitals put on patients decrease their chances of being able to re-enter society? or do you feel that it helps them remain stable?

...err, i had more questions, but i have forgotten them.

[iRapediCarly]

First, in todays world, do you have to be diagnosed with a mental illness to be hospitalized? or can you check yourself in? just coz?

diagnosed

Second, do people still preform labotemies? (idk how to spell it). They used to do it a lot in the 1960s..and went in thru the eye sockets. If they still do it today, why?

don't think so, its proven that not only does it temper with motor functions but personality as well

Third, do you feel like society today is "neglecting" mentally ill people? do you feel that this is why almost 1/3 or more of homeless people have a mental illness? Society has falsely promised help for these people, homes and hospitals are full and they have no where to go? Or is it just an excuse to be where they're at in life?

no, take responsibility and stop expecting others to help you

Fourth, do you recommend any good books are movies about this stuff? i have read and watched Girl, Interrupted and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

fight club, a beautiful mind, but fight club is more fictional story rather than the explanation of it

Fifth, do you feel that the routines some hospitals put on patients decrease their chances of being able to re-enter society? or do you feel that it helps them remain stable?

if you are f*cked up, theres no way you are considered normal, but then again, what the f*ck is normal anyway

[brooklyneast05]

if you're really mentally ill then you're mentally ill. it's not their fault they're homeless, they're sick. what the f*ck can they do to "take responsibility"?

[iRapediCarly]

you're right, i say we just kill them off







all jokes aside, do you expect just because they are homeless or sick that we should take pity on them and some how make their life better?

[brooklyneast05]

yeah we should because they are sick and have no control over it and can't help it. we have pity and take care of other people who are physically sick.

[iRapediCarly]

so you wanna go on the streets and diagnose every homeless person to see if they are sick? that would be a very nice thing, but realistically thats not an option. if you are mentally ill and homeless, and want help, thats more of an healthcare issue, which enough working class people can't afford

[brooklyneast05]

i'm not saying it's realistic. i'm saying it's f*cked up to blame a mentally ill person's living situation on them not "taking responsibility" for themselves.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

They'll still do lobotomies occasionally. Only as a last resort though.

[*makeup-teddy*]

fight club, a beautiful mind, but fight club is more fictional story rather than the explanation of it

the way your answers sound, it is all too familiar to me, i dont like it


...i've seen them both thanks.
fight club happens to be one of my fav movies.

[Teesa]

you could just look up your questions and find a lot more information from professionals.

i recommend watching copycat, as good as it gets, memento, rain man, sybil, psycho...there are a lot.

with books, i definitely recommend i never promised you a rose garden by joanne greenberg

[superstitious]

I take a great interest in mental illnesses.
We're learning some about it in English and how most mental illness stories reflect how society is..etc.

had some questions :)
First, in todays world, do you have to be diagnosed with a mental illness to be hospitalized? or can you check yourself in? just coz?

Both. A physician can determine you incapacitated to the point where hospitalization is necessary, but that's typically for an acute episode, for which more than likely a physician wouldn't be present. Which brings me to yes, you can (sort of) check yourself in, though usually someone else who witnesses a break down, for example, will bring you in. Typically a person with suicidal ideation has a good chance of being hospitalized for a short time.

Second, do people still preform labotemies? (idk how to spell it). They used to do it a lot in the 1960s..and went in thru the eye sockets. If they still do it today, why?

It is highly frowned upon and has been for quite some time. Read about Rosemary Kennedy (JFK's sister) sometime.

Third, do you feel like society today is "neglecting" mentally ill people? do you feel that this is why almost 1/3 or more of homeless people have a mental illness? Society has falsely promised help for these people, homes and hospitals are full and they have no where to go? Or is it just an excuse to be where they're at in life?

"Neglecting?" No. Misunderstanding and fearful due to ignorance, absolutely. I'm not sure how you've determined the "false" promises and homeless statistics. Many mentally ill individuals are elderly and/or born that way. Being homeless is not caused (not typically anyway) by merely being mentally ill or disabled. Which brings me to something else. Ill is not the same as disabled. That's an important distinction.

Fourth, do you recommend any good books are movies about this stuff? i have read and watched Girl, Interrupted and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

The Glass Menagerie (play/movie) written by Tennessee Williams (whose sister, as it so happens, was incapacitated due to a lobotomy). Read Flowers for Algernon, by Daniel Keyes then watch the movie, Charly, which stars Cliff Robertson as the title character. Don't bother with Girl, Interruped (the film). It was far too self absorbed and with the exception of Angelina Jolie, poorly acted. Though having just re-read your post, you've already seen it.

Fifth, do you feel that the routines some hospitals put on patients decrease their chances of being able to re-enter society? or do you feel that it helps them remain stable?

First off, hospitals are not where people rehabilitate. Hospitals are where patients are typically taken for acute and/or emergency episodes that may or may not have to due with one's mental illness or disability. Second, a patient's chances for a completely successful re-integration into society takes a very long time and a great deal of commitment from physicians, counselors, family, friends and most importantly, the patient.

[brooklyneast05]

Ill is not the same as disabled. That's an important distinction.

but it is a lot of the time. because how you expect them to get a job or pay for a house or any of this kinda stuff

[superstitious]

but it is a lot of the time. because how you expect them to get a job or pay for a house or any of this kinda stuff

I don't know, and I don't have some of my medical/terminology books with me (they're at work) but I'm really wanting to say that ill is not the same as disabled. Granted, illness is pretty disabling, if that's what you mean.

[iRapediCarly]

i'm not saying it's realistic. i'm saying it's f*cked up to blame a mentally ill person's living situation on them not "taking responsibility" for themselves.

most mental illnesses develop through time, could they have gotten help earlier? do they have friends? do they have family? also im blaming homeless person's mental illness on them for not "taking responsibility", not the other way around

[brooklyneast05]

most mental illnesses develop through time, could they have gotten help earlier? do they have friends? do they have family? also im blaming homeless person's mental illness on them for not "taking responsibility", not the other way around

i just disagree. i've been taking care of my brother all summer. he's schizophrenic and it didn't develop "through time" really. a year ago he was a normal carbon copy of myself basically and now he can't do anything at all. i would say he got help as soon as it was clear that something was wrong. that hasn't stopped him from being crazy as hell. getting help early might help but it doesn't stop it or make them normal again.

i can tell you that friends don't last that long when you're mentally ill, they just don't unless they are extraordinary friends.

as far as family not everyone is that lucky. it's unbelievably hard to take care of someone out of touch with reality. a lot of people just can't do it. it's a full time job and a lot of families can't afford/aren't able to dedicate 24 hours a day to it.

i don't understand where these people are supposed to go or what they are supposed to do when they can't help it

[brooklyneast05]

I don't know, and I don't have some of my medical/terminology books with me (they're at work) but I'm really wanting to say that ill is not the same as disabled. Granted, illness is pretty disabling, if that's what you mean.

yeah that's what i mean. i mean that it's disabling socially. there isn't any way someone can go get a job and some medicine and take care of themselves when they can't even do something like take a shower or hold a conversation.

it's the same thing as being disabled to me.

[iRapediCarly]

i just disagree. i've been taking care of my brother all summer. he's schizophrenic and it didn't develop "through time" really. a year ok he was a normal carbon copy of myself basically and now he can't do anything at all. i would say he got help as soon as it was clear that something was wrong. that hasn't stopped him from being crazy as hell. getting help early might help but it doesn't stop it or make them normal again.

i can tell you that friends don't last that long when you're mentally ill, they just don't unless they are extraordinary friends.

as far as family not everyone is that lucky. it's unbelievably hard to take care of someone out of touch with reality. a lot of people just can't do it. it's a full time job and a lot of families can't afford/aren't able to dedicate 24 hours a day to it.

im sorry about your brother, schizophrenia is nothing to close to easy to treat let alone heal, but let me rephrase myself, i probably gave you the wrong impression

no matter what you do, people are gonna die, people are going to be ill, it sucks, i know, but only the selected advantage few are going to be the ones that get any kind of treatment at all, now instead of the whole pity route that i could've said, i went with the tough love approach, but my main fact remains, only those with the ability to get help fast or the active approach to mental illness are the ones who are ones that get treatment

yes i understand, the homeless and sick can't help it, but for every one you can treat, thats one less patient (sorry to say) like your brother that can't be treated

[brooklyneast05]

im sorry about your brother, schizophrenia is nothing to close to easy to treat let alone heal, but let me rephrase myself, i probably gave you the wrong impression

no matter what you do, people are gonna die, people are going to be ill, it sucks, i know, but only the selected advantage few are going to be the ones that get any kind of treatment at all, now instead of the whole pity route that i could've said, i went with the tough love approach, but my main fact remains, only those with the ability to get help fast or the active approach to mental illness are the ones who are ones that get treatment

i agree those are the only ones who are going to get treatment.

i just think that it's unfair. i don't think it's these people's fault or that they don't deserve treatment just because their family sucked at getting them help right off the bat. i duno. i just don't think it has anything to do with their own responsibility i guess.

[iRapediCarly]

i agree those are the only ones who are going to get treatment.

i just think that it's unfair. i don't think it's these people's fault or that they don't deserve treatment just because their family sucked at getting them help right off the bat. i duno. i just don't think it has anything to do with their own responsibility i guess.

of course its unfair, and yeah its not their fault, but when you got all these odds against you, the only thing you can do is to try get help for yourself, but cmon, you know im a troll on this site

[*makeup-teddy*]

1st- I was not saying that being homeless causes a mental disability or illness. I'm saying that do you think, that for the people who have a mental disability or illness AND are homeless, do you THINK- that the reason they are HOMELESS is because of the neglect or "ignorance" of society? Its taken almost 40yrs for people/society to get to the point where they can admit they may be even depressed. Got the statistics from my teacher.

IN FACT, 4/5 of these questions were asked in class, which is why im asking them here. I'd like to hear more views/opinions and from more people. HENCE, why i am not reading up on these questions like someone suggested or asking a professional. These are opinions im looking for. Thanks for contributing. (not sarcastic)

I have seen flowers for algernon and read it. Girl, Interrupted happens to be my favourite book and one of my favourite movies, thank you. But not because of the whole mental thing, it just asks some very good questions when it comes to life or process of thought. yes, it is self absorbed, but so am i~

A lot of what you've said makes it sound like im dumb about this- im not. its something i read up on often and talk to about with many people. Like i said, i take great interest in it. When it comes to the question can you check yourself in, i know you yourself can sign saying you are there to be there, YOU checked yourself in. What im asking is if you have to have someone sort of "recommend" you, before you can go in.. and you answered my question, thanks.

*sighs* Superstitious- you completely misunderstood my fifth question, im too busy atm to bother explaining.


here for OPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS.

[brooklyneast05]

we are giving you opinions obviously every reply has been one hasn't it

[*makeup-teddy*]

we are giving you opinions obviously every reply has been one hasn't it

no, i got off on a rant on someone....sorry.
but yeah you're giving opinions.
i just hate people who try and turn opinions WHICH ARE CLEARLY opinions, into an argument saying their opinions or questions are wrong.

no names mentioned -__-

you're giving me exactly the debate i was looking for, thanks<3

[Teesa]

IN FACT, 4/5 of these questions were asked in class, which is why im asking them here. I'd like to hear more views/opinions and from more people. HENCE, why i am not reading up on these questions like someone suggested or asking a professional. These are opinions im looking for. Thanks for contributing. (not sarcastic)

lol professionals give their opinions too and in my OPINION, if you read from a bunch, you can get a pretty good idea about different mental illnesses.

[superstitious]

I've been working in the medical field for a long time and I have family with mental disabilities so I figured I would spend a little of my personal time responding here, as did others. On a messsage board, you get what you get and some people have a hard time appreciating the time people donate in giving opinions. No names mentioned. ;)

[brooklyneast05]

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