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[illriginal]

Other than multimedia software and a good window manager (mac gets my props on that), what exactly does Mac OSX for example have over Linux? I know that Mac and Linux are on two different platforms. But between specs / cost efficiency and productivity... I think Linux takes the win.

And I've been using Linux since 2001.

[firechild]

neither. as soon i as i get a laptop i'm upgrading it to debian or ubuntu

[mipadi]

Other than multimedia software and a good window manager (mac gets my props on that), what exactly does Mac OSX for example have over Linux? I know that Mac and Linux are on two different platforms. But between specs / cost efficiency and productivity... I think Linux takes the win.

What does Linux have over Mac OS X, aside from the fact that it's free and runs on cheaper hardware?

[illriginal]

What does Linux have over Mac OS X, aside from the fact that it's free and runs on cheaper hardware?

Cheaper in price.. not quality.

That's the thing... Mac OS X is practically the same as Linux. But there's smallest of things that make a difference.. For example, when it comes down to SQLite, SQLite sends a F_FULLFSYNC request to the kernel to ensures that the bytes are actually written through to the drive platter. This causes the kernel to flush all buffers to the drives and causes the drives to flush their track caches. So if anything, OS X should be slower.

Again, I'm not saying Mac or Linux is better than the other. In fact when people use the argument, "well I specifically use it for movie/3D animation, I advise them to go with a SGI Fuel System with IRIX

[mipadi]

That's the thing... Mac OS X is practically the same as Linux.

How so? Does Linux use Quartz as a window manager? Does it use Cocoa, and the full range of other libraries? Does software written for OS X look and behave like software written for Linux? No, no, and no. Seriously. Aside from superficial similarities in the POSIX layer, they're really nothing alike, and I'm inclined to believe you don't really have enough experience with OS X (or, perhaps, Linux) to really compare and contrast the too anyway, since you're arguing that they're "practically the same" -- unless you can somehow justify that claim.

But there's smallest of things that make a difference.. For example, when it comes down to SQLite, SQLite sends a F_FULLFSYNC request to the kernel to ensures that the bytes are actually written through to the drive platter. This causes the kernel to flush all buffers to the drives and causes the drives to flush their track caches. So if anything, OS X should be slower.

So when I'm evaluating whether I should use Linux or OS X as a desktop operating system, the fact that SQLite may be slower (a dubious claim, since I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you've neither browsed the source of SQLite, nor done any benchmarking on your own, and are just relying on some message list emails that you've stumbled across on the Internet) is a compelling reason to choose Linux? Riiiiggght.

Again, I'm not saying Mac or Linux is better than the other. In fact when people use the argument, "well I specifically use it for movie/3D animation, I advise them to go with a SGI Fuel System with IRIX

Right. Let's have someone use a dying operating system that hasn't seen an update in over 6 years, on a platform that SGI is moving away from. SGI has already committed to a move away from IRIX (which is being retired) to Linux, and their new machines don't even use MIPS processors.

Seriously, I don't want to be mean here, but -- are you just doing the techno-geek equivalent of dropping names? Have you even used SQLite on Mac OS X, or any SGI machines, or even IRIX?

[illriginal]

How so? Does Linux use Quartz as a window manager? Does it use Cocoa, and the full range of other libraries? Does software written for OS X look and behave like software written for Linux? No, no, and no. Seriously. Aside from superficial similarities in the POSIX layer, they're really nothing alike, and I'm inclined to believe you don't really have enough experience with OS X (or, perhaps, Linux) to really compare and contrast the too anyway, since you're arguing that they're "practically the same" -- unless you can somehow justify that claim.

I'm sorry... you're not going to flip this around. My initial question for you was to provide evidence of how Mac is technically better than Linux. I don't see a difference between the two on a day to day basis other than the fact that Mac has a good window manager. What makes you such a Mac snob? What does Mac do for you that Linux can't?

So when I'm evaluating whether I should use Linux or OS X as a desktop operating system, the fact that SQLite may be slower (a dubious claim, since I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you've neither browsed the source of SQLite, nor done any benchmarking on your own, and are just relying on some message list emails that you've stumbled across on the Internet) is a compelling reason to choose Linux? Riiiiggght.

That was a simple example of how the "smallest" of things can make a difference when you want to get technical.

Right. Let's have someone use a dying operating system that hasn't seen an update in over 6 years, on a platform that SGI is moving away from. SGI has already committed to a move away from IRIX (which is being retired) to Linux, and their new machines don't even use MIPS processors.

Hey it's better than Mac when it comes to movies/3D modeling etc..

And also.. if I were you, I'd make myself aware. lol it hasn't been updated in 6 years. Irix 6.5, look it up.

Oh and just so we're clear... it's still being used today. Especially by our very own government and the military. As well as science labs and forensic labs.

Seriously, I don't want to be mean here, but -- are you just doing the techno-geek equivalent of dropping names? Have you even used SQLite on Mac OS X, or any SGI machines, or even IRIX?

What does it matter if I've used SQLite on Mac OS X when it's been bench marked numerous of times. Numbers don't lie. As for SGI and IRIX, they have them at the University I went to, we got to screw around with it for 3 weeks.

So my question still stands, what exactly does Mac have over Linux? You've failed to answer my question. I'll be waitin


Oh and don't worry, I'm not even offended by your "mean" question lol.. You're not being mean, you're just being presumptuous.

[Uronacid]

I can't believe you called him a Mac snob... >.>

[Jghelfi]

I dont use my computer for gaming..
i just use it for productivity like for the internet, Programs, Music, and Movies...i really like the Macs though..i was making a laptop on Dell and it was a Studio 15 laptop that has a bluray player in it with beautiful sound and it has 2 HDMI ports for i can play on my TV...

__Bottom Line__
It came out to 899.99 w/out taxes + shipping,
and i put in a lot of stuff..it came out to be 1011.99 at the OG MSRP and dell was havin a sale so it came out to be 989.99
and imo i wouldve got the white Macbook that is 999.00 and it has all the programs i love on a mac...

but im only a incoming sophmore in High school and yea,yea..my dad is going like i will only get you that laptop if you go to college or trade-school..

it sucks...

[Maccabee]

Other than multimedia software and a good window manager (mac gets my props on that), what exactly does Mac OSX for example have over Linux? I know that Mac and Linux are on two different platforms. But between specs / cost efficiency and productivity... I think Linux takes the win.

And I've been using Linux since 2001.

Seriosuly? For the average person linux is awful! That is what they have yet to complete! Making a user friendly distro.

What happens when someone wants to add use a printer? No one but you wants to spend 3 hours getting a printer to work.

And if linux is almost just like mac os 1o then just be happy macs run linux?!

I repeat, mac basically is linux, but its user friendly and has the same software support that pc's have! And its secure so its the best of both worlds!

Also, for any mac owner, has your mac ever frozen? Or anything similar, like hwen it is under heavy stress does it hesitate to open a menu?

[illriginal]

Linux doesn't have problems with printers.. wtf are you talkin about jcp?

[Maccabee]

whatevs, but im just saying that mac has software support, linux doesnt.

[Just_Dream]

Also, for any mac owner, has your mac ever frozen? Or anything similar, like hwen it is under heavy stress does it hesitate to open a menu?

Yes it has. I just restarted and it was fine again. There have been times where my macbook was slower than normal. I'm not sure what caused it, but after I sent it in for AppleCare, it hasn't caused me a problem since so it's all good. For the record, I sent it in because there were cracks on the interior.

[rnicron]

MAC is too much money. And they still can't afford a 2 button mouse.

lol

um, yeah, the mouse that came with my mac has two buttons. god forbid that it just looks like one continuous button.

also, why is the whole fight about price?

[Jghelfi]

^well price is the key to satisfaction and sales...

and thats the thing that is stopping me from getting one...

[heyo-captain-jac...]

um, yeah, the mouse that came with my mac has two buttons. god forbid that it just looks like one continuous button.

also, why is the whole fight about price?

Quiet, I like my nine button mouse.

[illriginal]

um, yeah, the mouse that came with my mac has two buttons. god forbid that it just looks like one continuous button.

also, why is the whole fight about price?

I was just kiddin lol.


I'll be honest, I haven't seen a Mac (other than their laptops) in over 2 years. So honestly I dunno what sorts of mice come with their desktops.


It's not soo much of a fight. Rather that Mac is just a tad over priced but this is due to supply and demand of course. If people are willing to spend that much on any of my products, hell why bother to be fair, right? Gotta make that money, yo!


But ya... Mac machine, hardware wise, is just over priced. Part for part (performance) Mac is just silly with their outrageous prices.

[iExquisite]

Is a mac a laptop??
I don't know

[illriginal]

Is a mac a laptop??
I don't know

naw





Apple is the manufacturer. Mac is the OS

[rnicron]

actually mac (macintosh) is a line of computers, not an operating system.

[Maccabee]

I was just kiddin lol.
I'll be honest, I haven't seen a Mac (other than their laptops) in over 2 years. So honestly I dunno what sorts of mice come with their desktops.
It's not soo much of a fight. Rather that Mac is just a tad over priced but this is due to supply and demand of course. If people are willing to spend that much on any of my products, hell why bother to be fair, right? Gotta make that money, yo!
But ya... Mac machine, hardware wise, is just over priced. Part for part (performance) Mac is just silly with their outrageous prices.

Another thing that people like you don't take into consideration since you just want a power house, is how cool macs look! And and mac isnt annything It is a nickname for the company macintosh, and mac's are apple computers.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Another thing that people like you don't take into consideration since you just want a power house, is how cool macs look! And and mac isnt annything It is a nickname for the company macintosh, and mac's are apple computers.

Nope, Mac is the official name now. It's been that way for several years now.



Also: Mac OSX is Apple's operating system. Mac is the line of computers.

[illriginal]

actually mac (macintosh) is a line of computers, not an operating system.

I stand corrected!

[jiyong]

I got my Macbook for free, so I can't say much about price.
But for me, personally, the way the Mac interface works is a better fit for me.
It really depends on what your personality is like.

[Jghelfi]

well i have a casual and productive lifestyle.. so i think its gonna work

it IS going to work! haha

[iExquisite]

naw
Apple is the manufacturer. Mac is the OS

so its a computer. like vista,XP