Teen Faces Porn Charges for Nude MySpace Pictures, Another one bites the dust! Options

[brooklyneast05]

You know what, I don't even care anymore, my lady's a damn Lawyer and she's already agreed 100% with what I believe in regards to this case and any other case that has to do with stupid horny children that deserve the ultimate punishment.

this is why no one understands your point of view. becuase you think CHILDREN deserve the ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT for doing stupid shit. no they don't, they're f*cking children.

if someone wants to have nude pictures of themselves they should have them, it's not harming anyone or even relevant to anything. i mean who the hell is gonna break into someones room and arrest them because they have a nude picture of themselves. if they aren't sharing it then it certainly does not matter AT ALL. if they are sharing it, that changes things somewhat but it's not the end of the f*cking world really.


i still just don't get why this is the worst thing ever to some people. they should just delete the shit, fine em or something, and move on with life. i can't wait till the day we're more concerned with real criminals that actually hurt people.

so are you saying she shouldn't be allow to look at herself naked when she's in the showers? >______>

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Possessing illegal material is against the law.. -.-

Her being UNDER the AGE of 18 and POSSESSING NUDE images of HERSELF is against the law.

If you have a video or even a picture of your naked ass body and you're under the age, regardless of your gender, you're in possession of child pornography.
por⋅nog⋅ra⋅phy:

obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.
Do you understand? Is this a hard concept to understand?

You know what, I don't even care anymore, my lady's a damn Lawyer and she's already agreed 100% with what I believe in regards to this case and any other case that has to do with stupid horny children that deserve the ultimate punishment.

It's always good to cite your source on definitions when you have an uncountable number of people against your opinion.


It's not a hard concept to understand, what I don't get is why you don't understand it.

Also: your "lady" agrees with you because she's your "lady". If she was anyone else she would say that you're a f*cking nut.

Tama is a lunatic, moving on.

Good post. Short, simple, 100% accurate. Why can't Tampon make posts like this?

[shoryuken]

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[illriginal]

so are you saying she shouldn't be allow to look at herself naked when she's in the showers? >______>

Wow... you're a f*ckin moron, Tung. No where, ever, in this thread did I say anything like that. If you're unsure about what people are talking about... just read.

i can't wait till the day we're more concerned with real criminals that actually hurt people.


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I can't wait til Sharia Law comes... f*ck the change Obama's gonna bring, we'll show all of you what REAL change is.

[Tung]

Wow... you're a f*ckin moron, Tung. No where, ever, in this thread did I say anything like that. If you're unsure about what people are talking about... just read.

i know you didn't. but you brought up that she shouldn't be taking naked pictures of herself. who cares if these kids are taking naked photos of themselves. it's the same shit as looking at your self naked. maybe they want to take a naked picture of themselves for self adoration and look at themselves when they upload the photo on their computer. it's the same shit as you taking a photo of your damn "muscles" in your cb profile. for self adoration. what exactly is the harm of taking a naked photo of yourself? if it was to post it online to exploit and shit like jc said then it'll be different.

and the person who talked about nude photos and child pornography is correct. they are two different things. a photo of a nude 10 year old guy walking around in public isn't child pornography. it's a nudist photo, and doesn't show any sexual exploitation.

[illriginal]

i know you didn't. but you brought up that she shouldn't be taking naked pictures of herself. who cares if these kids are taking naked photos of themselves. it's the same shit as looking at your self naked. maybe they want to take a naked picture of themselves for self adoration and look at themselves when they upload the photo on their computer. it's the same shit as you taking a photo of your damn "muscles" in your cb profile. for self adoration. what exactly is the harm of taking a naked photo of yourself? if it was to post it online to exploit and shit like jc said then it'll be different.

and the person who talked about nude photos and child pornography is correct. they are two different things. a photo of a nude 10 year old guy walking around in public isn't child pornography. it's a nudist photo, and doesn't show any sexual exploitation.

If it aims to show their private parts... it's automatically labeled, "pornography". This has been known for ever.

And it's not the same as taking a picture of my "muscles". Because my damn arms aren't sexual organs. -.-

There's no harm in the action of taking a nude picture of yourself. It is the actions AFTERWARD that causes harm. What you will do with the picture is what weighs in the balance.

[Tung]

So pretend I was 16 years old. I took a naked photo of myself, and masturbated to it. What should happen to me?

[heyo-captain-jac...]

So pretend I was 16 years old. I took a naked photo of myself, and masturbated to it. What should happen to me?

You would be called an autophile.


And Tama, Sharia law isn't going to happen here anytime soon. If you think otherwise, you're a f*cking moron.

[illriginal]

So pretend I was 16 years old. I took a naked photo of myself, and masturbated to it. What should happen to me?

The question is... is that photo of yourself going anywhere outside of your home? Whether it be through the computer or physically right outside of your private property? If not... then you have nothing to worry about. If so... then 1 of 2 things will happen when you get caught.

1. charged with possession of child pornography

or

2. charged with possession of child pornography and distribution of child pornography.




Oh by the way, you can thank Obama for the new bill he's promoting. It gives the F.B.I., C.I.A., and Homeland Security the right to search your computer via IP without a warrant nor suspicion. And if you have nudes (or anything incriminating) and the nudes seem to be of what looks to be a child, prepare to have a file and be investigated.

You would be called an autophile.


And Tama, Sharia law isn't going to happen here anytime soon. If you think otherwise, you're a f*cking moron.

Oh please stfu... Americans actually believe that Socialism would never come to America... and guess what? You're a f*ckin moron.

You wouldn't know shit if it was right in your f*ckin face and under your ugly fat nose.

[karmakiller]

Possessing illegal material is against the law.. -.-

Her being UNDER the AGE of 18 and POSSESSING NUDE images of HERSELF is against the law.

If you have a video or even a picture of your naked ass body and you're under the age, regardless of your gender, you're in possession of child pornography.
por⋅nog⋅ra⋅phy:

obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.
Do you understand? Is this a hard concept to understand?

You know what, I don't even care anymore, my lady's a damn Lawyer and she's already agreed 100% with what I believe in regards to this case and any other case that has to do with stupid horny children that deserve the ultimate punishment.

I thought she was a paralegal. Either way, you both need to brush up on your knowledge of the law.

Let me help you.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18...56----000-.html
http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/iclp/ocp.htm

"All states prohibit child pornography. “Child pornography” may encompass either: 1) the creation or reproduction of materials depicting minors engaged in actual or simulated sexual activity (“Sexual Exploitation of Minors”) or 2) the publication or distribution of obscene, indecent, or harmful materials to minors."
http://www.lorenavedon.com/laws.htm


You need to realize that there is a difference between nudity and pornography.


Honestly, people who enforce the law have better things to be concerned about. Had this kid been taking photos of herself masturbating or at the request of and adult that a COMPLETELY different situation. Tama doesn't seem to understand that. If he wants to have the same punishment for a children taking photos of themselves depicting sex and for taking nude pictures that is just ass backwards.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Oh please stfu... Americans actually believe that Socialism would never come to America... and guess what? You're a f*ckin moron.

You wouldn't know shit if it was right in your f*ckin face and under your ugly fat nose.

If you can give me any proof from a reliable source that Sharia Law is going to be implemented in the United States, I will admit that I'm wrong, and you can stroke your e-cock.

[shoryuken]

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[illriginal]

I thought she was a paralegal. Either way, you both need to brush up on your knowledge of the law.

Let me help you.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18...56----000-.html
http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/iclp/ocp.htm

"All states prohibit child pornography. "Child pornography" may encompass either: 1) the creation or reproduction of materials depicting minors engaged in actual or simulated sexual activity ("Sexual Exploitation of Minors") or 2) the publication or distribution of obscene, indecent, or harmful materials to minors."
http://www.lorenavedon.com/laws.htm


You need to realize that there is a difference between nudity and pornography.


Honestly, people who enforce the law have better things to be concerned about. Had this kid been taking photos of herself masturbating or at the request of and adult that a COMPLETELY different situation. Tama doesn't seem to understand that. If he wants to have the same punishment for a children taking photos of themselves depicting sex and for taking nude pictures that is just ass backwards.

Child pornography: pornography using a child or children as the subject.

Pornography: –noun obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.

1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
2. The presentation or production of this material.

I don't think so, hun. If a girl or a boy were to take a nude picture... let me ask you, would it be to ask their friends an opinion on the coloration of their dick? Or the bump on their tit? GTFO.

Little jits taking nude pictures of them selves is for sexual purposes, majority of the time.

If you honestly think that it's as simple as what you posted, you're out of your f*ckin mind.

Here, learn something: http://www.loundy.com/E-LAW_Links.html#obscenity_indecency

lol @ My lady needs to brush up on definitions of the laws. You're a joke.

[illriginal]

Actually let me help you with that... cuz I wanna make sure I make you look like a fool in front of everyone. :)

Federal Laws

18 U.S.C. § 1466A (2008)

§ 1466A. OBSCENE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN

(a) In general. Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that--
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1) [18 USCS § 2252A(b)(1)], including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.

(b) Additional offenses. Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that--
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(2) [18 USCS § 2252A(b)(2)], including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.

© Nonrequired element of offense. It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.

(d) Circumstances. The circumstance referred to in subsections (a) and (b) is that--
(1) any communication involved in or made in furtherance of the offense is communicated or transported by the mail, or in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, or any means or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce is otherwise used in committing or in furtherance of the commission of the offense;
(2) any communication involved in or made in furtherance of the offense contemplates the transmission or transportation of a visual depiction by the mail, or in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer;
(3) any person travels or is transported in interstate or foreign commerce in the course of the commission or in furtherance of the commission of the offense;
(4) any visual depiction involved in the offense has been mailed, or has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, or was produced using materials that have been mailed, or that have been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer; or
(5) the offense is committed in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States or in any territory or possession of the United States.

(e) Affirmative defense. It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of violating subsection (b) that the defendant--
(1) possessed less than 3 such visual depictions; and
(2) promptly and in good faith, and without retaining or allowing any person, other than a law enforcement agency, to access any such visual depiction--
(A) took reasonable steps to destroy each such visual depiction; or
(B) reported the matter to a law enforcement agency and afforded that agency access to each such visual depiction.

(f) Definitions. For purposes of this section--
(1) the term "visual depiction" includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on a computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image, and also includes any photograph, film, video, picture, digital image or picture, computer image or picture, or computer generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means;
(2) the term "sexually explicit conduct" has the meaning given the term in section 2256(2)(A) or 2256(2)(B) [18 USCS § 2256(2)(A) or 2256(2)(B)]; and
(3) the term "graphic", when used with respect to a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area of any depicted person or animal during any part of the time that the sexually explicit conduct is being depicted.

18 U.S.C. § 2256 (2008)

§ 2256. DEFINITIONS FOR CHAPTER

For the purposes of this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2251 et seq.], the term--
(1) "minor" means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), "sexually explicit conduct" means actual or simulated--
(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(ii) bestiality;
(iii) masturbation;
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

P.S. Just so you know... the organization I work for are one of the organizations that investigate sexual predators / sex offenders (technology is great). Including Middle school children and especially high school students. If you had a clue... there's a lot more teenagers out there getting caught and put into the system than the News/Media reports. Trust that.

[shoryuken]

Actually let me help you with that... cuz I wanna make sure I make you look like a fool in front of everyone. :)

OH SHIET....

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[brooklyneast05]

how does your bolded shit prove anything? dee's whole point is there is a difference between nudity and pornography. standing around nude is different than standing around nude jacking off. i don't see how your bolded examples prove her wrong in that.

(a) In general. Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that--
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and

standing around nude isn't depicting sexual conduct, so this shouldn't matter to her

(B) is obscene; or

i guess this matters to people who think the human body is inherently an obscene thing

(3) the term "graphic", when used with respect to a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area of any depicted person or animal during any part of the time that the sexually explicit conduct is being depicted.

yeah once again standing around nude doesn't equal depicting sexual conduct. you made the text that says "means the viewer can observe any part of the genitals or public area of any depicted person" bigger but the rest of the sentence clearly goes on to read DURING ANY PART OF THE TIME THE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONDUCT IS BEING DEPICTED.

so, if sexually depicted conduct isn't being depicted, then the first part means nothing. if it was just saying that viewing the genitals alone is graphic then i'd agree with you. but it doesn't, it says viewing them while a sexual act is being depicted is graphic.

(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

once again standing around nude doesn't fit with this because nudity in itself isn't "lascivious" and it clearly goes out of its' way to define it has having to be "lascivious" not just in plain view.

what did you prove? that depicting sexual acts and showing the genitals isn't allowed? dee never said it wasn't. she said being nude is not automatically pornography. i don't see the point. people are so scared of nakedness

nudity =/= porn. you didn't even really post anything different than dee. you're just reading them differently than her. hers say the same thing about it not being porn unless sexual acts are depicted. i don't see anything that says nakedness alone is classified as graphic and porn

[illriginal]

Wow... strong strawman. I give up. Go to college and get an education, preferably in English. I'm done with this sad thread.

[brooklyneast05]

i am in college and getting an education dipshit. if i was like you, i'd point out that "my lady" is an english major, but since i know that's completely irrelevant then i won't bother saying such stupid shit. i was looking forward to you explaining to me how your quotes relate to nudity alone. which you wouldn't be able to do, since they don't, they relate to sexual conduct being depicted.

i'm glad you're done with this thread now!

[illriginal]

Apparently you're too stupid to read and comprehend the definitions. That or you're purposely manipulating them. This isn't my problem. There's nothing else to discuss... unless you want me to redefine them.

[brooklyneast05]

i don't expect you to do anything

I give up.

I'm done with this sad thread.

[creole]

I'm done with this sad thread.

By the request of the user, the thread is now imaginatively closed.

[karmakiller]

Damn a comes in and owns the shit outta Tampon. He's proven a long time ago that Debate is not his forum.

[shoryuken]

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wtf RASHAD EVANS hoppin in 4...

DEE u sux..

By the request of the user, the thread is now imaginatively closed.

STFU..

[illriginal]

Damn a comes in and owns the shit outta Tampon. He's proven a long time ago that Debate is not his forum.

He's using a scenario where someone is standing around naked while neglecting the fact that if it's distributed it now becomes a different story. It's no longer just a personal image of your naked body, now it has become material that is being distributed.

He's also ignoring another fact, if you have a nude picture of yourself and you're underage, as soon as you step outside of your privacy (home) with that image on your person, you are now in possession of illegal material that will be held against you in the court of law.

He's also ignoring the fact that if a picture of naked child exists this is automatically falling into a form of child abuse, depending how the picture is being handled. Of course if it's a picture taken by the parent/guardian or by the request of a parent/guardian and it is not for anything other than memories of a child then it's simply.. nothing.

He actually believes that an underage kid would just randomly decide to take an innocent picture of their naked body for shits and giggles or for their memory... no. This is quite laughable. There's intentions behind it... it is the intentions that are put on the scale. The action taken AFTER the image was created.


So it's simple to understand. It's not illegal to take a simple nude picture of yourself. It is the intentions behind taking that nude picture.

You guys are f*ckin silly with it.

[shoryuken]

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