8 Reasons NOT To Join The Military, Tiem to argue Rating Options

[hebrewtoast]

First of all get your facts straight. For instance Tanks are not "coated" with toxic materials.
Second of all getting lied to depends on if you have a bad recruiter and when it comes down to it you need to do the research for yourself to find out if the military is right or not for you. Just like in the civilian world you are the only person looking out for your personal interests.

Third of all not every person joins for the soul purpose of college money. Most enlistees know that they will probably not get full benefits if they aren't an alpha ASVAB test scorer and/or they have black marks on their records.

Fourth of all the military is a reflection of society (almost proportionately too), so if you have discrimination it is because there is discrimination in American society.

Fifth of all the military is not a "dead-end" career even in the case of enlisted men. Many of the Marines and soldiers that retire become the local and state police men that protect you every day. For instance I know a GySgt USMC who is retiring in two years and already has a county sheriff job lined up. After a twenty year career in the Marines (03xx, infantry, by the way) he'll be only 38 and will be drawing half his annual pay ($25039.80)for the rest of his life. Not to mention he'll probably be promoted to E-8 before he retires. That's not a dead end at all.

As for targeting minorities? EVERYBODY is targeting minorities. This is because of dumb leftist programs that say they (various institutions) should for government benefits. This is in and of itself is inherently racist because it recognizes a social different in racial or national heritage. Really if you wanted to implement a program like that target a FINANCIAL demographic not a racial one.

One more thought in race is that statistically minorities are in a lower financial demographic and that happens to be the demographic most likely to ENLIST in the military.

You say the balance of white to black is off in commissioned ranks? Hardly. Most commissioned officers do not go to a military academy (west point etc.) They go to colleges under their own financial aid and sign up for programs like ROTC (of all branches with or without tuition assistance), PLC and some times just join up for OCS after the graduate and many even come from the enlisted ranks. Now is it just me or are most college graduates White? and it is just me or are most successful business men black or white? i'm no racist and i am in fact puerto rican. It is just statistically so. Take in to consideration the effect of the liberal and civilian media too. They glorify crime, drugs and hedonistic behaviors. One who indulges in those things over responsibility does not deserve to be successful and the minority demographic is more susceptible to being influenced by the media.

Finally ask Marines if they joined for the college money and most will say no. They want to see action and chances are they will see action.

The military is not for everybody this is true. I'm not going to encourage a pot smoking hippie to join up any more then i would encourage a strong hearted republican red-neck to stand down if that's what he wanted to do. However the last thing that American troops need are people in America denouncing their decision as wrong, foolhardy and immoral. They are providing a great service to everyone in this nation and although you may not agree with the particular conflict we are engaged in now there will come a time when we absolutely need 18, 19, or twenty year olds, who selflessly risk life and limb to uphold the oath they took in front of an officer to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. And when it comes down to it those kids are going to kill, die, be maimed, come back emotionally scarred or in prime shape from wars/conflicts they might not support but they do it anyway. And to be honest any American who denounces their choice to join is in my eyes a domestic enemy. One who undermines a youth's (hopefully) noble intentions and denounces their sacrifice. And remember the Military is a reflection of society.

[sixfive]

First of all get your facts straight. For instance Tanks are not "coated" with toxic materials.
Second of all getting lied to depends on if you have a bad recruiter and when it comes down to it you need to do the research for yourself to find out if the military is right or not for you. Just like in the civilian world you are the only person looking out for your personal interests.

Third of all not every person joins for the soul purpose of college money. Most enlistees know that they will probably not get full benefits if they aren't an alpha ASVAB test scorer and/or they have black marks on their records.

Fourth of all the military is a reflection of society (almost proportionately too), so if you have discrimination it is because there is discrimination in American society.

Fifth of all the military is not a "dead-end" career even in the case of enlisted men. Many of the Marines and soldiers that retire become the local and state police men that protect you every day. For instance I know a GySgt USMC who is retiring in two years and already has a county sheriff job lined up. After a twenty year career in the Marines (03xx, infantry, by the way) he'll be only 38 and will be drawing half his annual pay ($25039.80)for the rest of his life. Not to mention he'll probably be promoted to E-8 before he retires. That's not a dead end at all.

As for targeting minorities? EVERYBODY is targeting minorities. This is because of dumb leftist programs that say they (various institutions) should for government benefits. This is in and of itself is inherently racist because it recognizes a social different in racial or national heritage. Really if you wanted to implement a program like that target a FINANCIAL demographic not a racial one.

One more thought in race is that statistically minorities are in a lower financial demographic and that happens to be the demographic most likely to ENLIST in the military.

You say the balance of white to black is off in commissioned ranks? Hardly. Most commissioned officers do not go to a military academy (west point etc.) They go to colleges under their own financial aid and sign up for programs like ROTC (of all branches with or without tuition assistance), PLC and some times just join up for OCS after the graduate and many even come from the enlisted ranks. Now is it just me or are most college graduates White? and it is just me or are most successful business men black or white? i'm no racist and i am in fact puerto rican. It is just statistically so. Take in to consideration the effect of the liberal and civilian media too. They glorify crime, drugs and hedonistic behaviors. One who indulges in those things over responsibility does not deserve to be successful and the minority demographic is more susceptible to being influenced by the media.

Finally ask Marines if they joined for the college money and most will say no. They want to see action and chances are they will see action.

The military is not for everybody this is true. I'm not going to encourage a pot smoking hippie to join up any more then i would encourage a strong hearted republican red-neck to stand down if that's what he wanted to do. However the last thing that American troops need are people in America denouncing their decision as wrong, foolhardy and immoral. They are providing a great service to everyone in this nation and although you may not agree with the particular conflict we are engaged in now there will come a time when we absolutely need 18, 19, or twenty year olds, who selflessly risk life and limb to uphold the oath they took in front of an officer to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. And when it comes down to it those kids are going to kill, die, be maimed, come back emotionally scarred or in prime shape from wars/conflicts they might not support but they do it anyway. And to be honest any American who denounces their choice to join is in my eyes a domestic enemy. One who undermines a youth's (hopefully) noble intentions and denounces their sacrifice. And remember the Military is a reflection of society.

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[fameONE]

First of all get your facts straight. For instance Tanks are not "coated" with toxic materials.
Second of all getting lied to depends on if you have a bad recruiter and when it comes down to it you need to do the research for yourself to find out if the military is right or not for you. Just like in the civilian world you are the only person looking out for your personal interests.

Third of all not every person joins for the soul purpose of college money. Most enlistees know that they will probably not get full benefits if they aren't an alpha ASVAB test scorer and/or they have black marks on their records.

Fourth of all the military is a reflection of society (almost proportionately too), so if you have discrimination it is because there is discrimination in American society.

Fifth of all the military is not a "dead-end" career even in the case of enlisted men. Many of the Marines and soldiers that retire become the local and state police men that protect you every day. For instance I know a GySgt USMC who is retiring in two years and already has a county sheriff job lined up. After a twenty year career in the Marines (03xx, infantry, by the way) he'll be only 38 and will be drawing half his annual pay ($25039.80)for the rest of his life. Not to mention he'll probably be promoted to E-8 before he retires. That's not a dead end at all.

As for targeting minorities? EVERYBODY is targeting minorities. This is because of dumb leftist programs that say they (various institutions) should for government benefits. This is in and of itself is inherently racist because it recognizes a social different in racial or national heritage. Really if you wanted to implement a program like that target a FINANCIAL demographic not a racial one.

One more thought in race is that statistically minorities are in a lower financial demographic and that happens to be the demographic most likely to ENLIST in the military.

You say the balance of white to black is off in commissioned ranks? Hardly. Most commissioned officers do not go to a military academy (west point etc.) They go to colleges under their own financial aid and sign up for programs like ROTC (of all branches with or without tuition assistance), PLC and some times just join up for OCS after the graduate and many even come from the enlisted ranks. Now is it just me or are most college graduates White? and it is just me or are most successful business men black or white? i'm no racist and i am in fact puerto rican. It is just statistically so. Take in to consideration the effect of the liberal and civilian media too. They glorify crime, drugs and hedonistic behaviors. One who indulges in those things over responsibility does not deserve to be successful and the minority demographic is more susceptible to being influenced by the media.

Finally ask Marines if they joined for the college money and most will say no. They want to see action and chances are they will see action.

The military is not for everybody this is true. I'm not going to encourage a pot smoking hippie to join up any more then i would encourage a strong hearted republican red-neck to stand down if that's what he wanted to do. However the last thing that American troops need are people in America denouncing their decision as wrong, foolhardy and immoral. They are providing a great service to everyone in this nation and although you may not agree with the particular conflict we are engaged in now there will come a time when we absolutely need 18, 19, or twenty year olds, who selflessly risk life and limb to uphold the oath they took in front of an officer to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. And when it comes down to it those kids are going to kill, die, be maimed, come back emotionally scarred or in prime shape from wars/conflicts they might not support but they do it anyway. And to be honest any American who denounces their choice to join is in my eyes a domestic enemy. One who undermines a youth's (hopefully) noble intentions and denounces their sacrifice. And remember the Military is a reflection of society.

You're an idiot.

[imano]

I think you support terrorism.

Never presume, and never make a statement based on a presumption.
What a stupid thing to say, why would I support terrorism?

Unless you've been blinded by the media, many wars are started on PRESUMPTIONS. Such as the fictional war starter based on the "weapons of mass destruction" etc. (the list goes on my friend)

Why kill? MURDER can never be justified.

[brooklyneast05]

i don't get how murder can never be justified. i mean, seems like it could be in numerous situations. like if were in a situation like in germany, i'm pretty sure there is good justification to MURDER someone like hitler.

i don't think it makes sense to say it can NEVER be justified.

[fameONE]

Why kill? MURDER can never be justified.

FAIL.

You don't even have to begin to think of how killing someone in combat is justifiable. It isn't murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being with a state of mind known as "malice aforethought". Don't use words to describe something if you do not know the definition or power of that word.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

[turnupthevolume]

how about... we just dont have war??

[karmakiller]

This thread seems to attract a lot of stupid people. Just sayin'.

[Joss-eh-lime]

sure its dangerous...
but for some people its the best future they can get within their means.

[Stuckie]

how about... we just dont have war??

You're just an evil person. You're trying to take my money. No war? I scoff at you.

sure its dangerous...
but for some people its the best future they can get within their means.

I actually joined because the economy is shit and if I dont get paid, I will file a complaint and get back pay. And If I still dont get it, its then a breach of contract and I will be honorably discharged. Which looks real good on a resume.

[mipadi]

You're just an evil person. You're trying to take my money. No war? I scoff at you.
I actually joined because the economy is shit and if I dont get paid, I will file a complaint and get back pay. And If I still dont get it, its then a breach of contract and I will be honorably discharged. Which looks real good on a resume.

I am reminded of a passage from Kurt Vonnegut's Hocus Pocus:


When I was 25, I hadn't killed anybody yet. and hadn't had nearly as many women as [Alton] Darwin had. When he was only 20, he told me, he paid cash for a Ferrari. I didn't have a car of my own, which was a good car, all right, a Chevrolet Corvette, but nowhere near as good as a Ferrari, until I was 21.

At least I, too, had paid cash.


There are two points to keep in mind:

• The character Alton Darwin is a convicted mass murderer who ran a large drug dealing operation (hence why he had so much cash).
• The narrator, one Eugene Debs Hartke, is a graduate of West Point and served as a lieutenant colonel in the US Army during Vietnam; he got his money from the Army as backpay upon graduating from West Point.

[*hoopsosovalntino*]

1. My Daddy's in da Millatary [or at least he was]
2. He's a mean old fart
3. You move too damn much
4. Social Issues Fall Apart @ School.
5. You get bored.
6. You see alot cool & new places
7. You Die
8.You Cry

I go hard

I really dont understand this mans blog with the "diamonds and the [rocks] and the fishes and the mario and the [crib] that i assume that aint his [house]

Reason for edit: Please stop double posting. If you do it again you will be warned.

[brooklyneast05]

I really dont understand this mans blog with the "diamonds and the [rocks] and the fishes and the mario and the [crib] that i assume that aint his [house]

why did you change my quote and what are you talkin about? you have never seen art or architecture before?

[illriginal]

And also because there's men and women who serve and they're secretively homo.

[karmakiller]

You wouldn't join because you'd potentially be working with homosexuals? I'd assume you wouldn't have to worry about someone you're working with trying to make a move on you in the service because it's taboo to be homosexual in the service... versus other careers where you could end up working with someone who's a homosexual and he might make a move on you because that taboo isn't there.

[Medi]

I don't need to be convinced. It's not mandatory. ^_^

@ illmortal - you're one f*cked up human being.

[fameONE]

And also because there's men and women who serve and they're secretively homo.

Weren't you in the Navy?

[mipadi]

Weren't you in the Navy?

I think you're thinking of these guys:

[fameONE]

I think you're thinking of these guys:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HzKJyX3Sim8/RnbX...400/Village.jpg

Zing!

[illriginal]

Zing!

Where's the zing?.. I don't get it

[illriginal]

You wouldn't join because you'd potentially be working with homosexuals? I'd assume you wouldn't have to worry about someone you're working with trying to make a move on you in the service because it's taboo to be homosexual in the service... versus other careers where you could end up working with someone who's a homosexual and he might make a move on you because that taboo isn't there.

No because in boot camp you have to shower with them

@ illmortal - you're one f*cked up human being.

Nah, I'm simply ultra-conservative.

[karmakiller]

No because in boot camp you have to shower with them

LOL, you're not in the shower with another guy asking him to scrub your back for you. Just sayin' the chances of someone trying to stick it your butt is probably higher in another job than it is in the military. A guy being openly gay in the military is taboo and it isn't in other jobs.

[maliciousmagg0t]

Best of luck to you. I'm not downing the military at all. I'm 50/50 on the matter. I grew up wanting to be a Marine and then I opened my mind to politics and current events.

HOWEVER...

to believe that joining the military is as wonderful as the propoganda makes it out to be (videogames, commercials, movies) is pretty naive.

now that is quite true. thats a great point to bring up. "to believe that joining the military is as wonderful as the propoganda makes it out to be (videogames, commercials, movies) is pretty naive." i was thinkin about saying the same thing. people should understand the things that people go through. the whole point of basic training is to get you into shape and make sure that your not weak willed. have you heared though that they have these "stress cards" now where if you are in basic training and your getting yelled at or something like that then you can hold up this card and your allowed an allotted time period to be by yourself if your "too stressed out". now this may be a dumb ass rumor because i havent found anything online about it but who knows?!?!?! i dont!!! just a heads up i spose. i have a couple friends who entered the army and airforce and they arent complaining. they are quite happy because they have about 6 job opportunities waiting for them and they are all excited about every job. so if you go in, score well then you could get a job that you enjoy doing. i was one of those kids though who wanted to go to boot camp because honestly the yelling and name calling dont bother me. same shit happend when i was in school so why not have it happen to me in a place where im getting physically in shape lol. once i see myself improving i wont care what anyone else has to say. the people are there yelling at you to push you and make you try harder, this is why they're not like "oh good job, maybe you can do better tomorrow" instead they say "you suck, try harder, do it again, go faster or your not eating today" its motivation.

now i am also 50/50 on this because they lie to you in the military as well. they say you can have "set job" yet you could be stuck with "this job" so your never guarante unless you score high on your ASVAB and you ask for a certain job be saved for you (all this before you swear in) and if you dont get any of it in writing then you dont have to swear in thus having no obligations to stay in the military. if you have it in writing then you were promised a position and were told that position was open and then your safe. this is coming from someone who did this in the navy. other branches may differ, i dont know. all i know is that i dont trust most of what the government has to say and that goes for the military as well.

now yet again there are the people who are joining who are young and single and dont have a lot going for them. i live next to eglin air force base which is the biggest base and its all military families around here so the military is constantly being shoved in your face. and when you dont have enough money for college and your stuck working at a pizza place because its a small town surrounding this huge base all you can really think of is "what do i have to lose. sure i love my family but i have no wife or kids and no important job. i may aswell take my chances with the military." my friend told me that he wouldnt wanna die over there and i just replied with well what if i did die over there, so be it, atleast i did something with my life rather than sit on my ass all say or work at some stupid job and possibly die in a car accident. atleast i would have died doing something big. i wanted to go into the military as a photographer. if i died doing that then so be it. i wont be doing that though. that will be a last resort because photography is not a definite in the military.

p.s. one of my friends came back from iraq and after getting some drinks in him he started to open up. hes my age (20) and hes told me some bad stories. things pertaining to the classic stuff like friends dieing and such but also that he's come so close he cant even believe that he's still alive. his vehicle being flipped and an AK being stuck in his face. i mean those are the risks that one should already know before they even go to a recruiter. in war there are no rules and most of all no mercy.

[fameONE]

now that is quite true. thats a great point to bring up. "to believe that joining the military is as wonderful as the propoganda makes it out to be (videogames, commercials, movies) is pretty naive."

I've been in for three years, this still holds true.

i was thinkin about saying the same thing. people should understand the things that people go through. the whole point of basic training is to get you into shape and make sure that your not weak willed.

Recruit training is meant, simply, to make recruits into Marines.

have you heared though that they have these "stress cards" now where if you are in basic training and your getting yelled at or something like that then you can hold up this card and your allowed an allotted time period to be by yourself if your "too stressed out". now this may be a dumb ass rumor because i havent found anything online about it but who knows?!?!?!

Not in the Marine Corps. Maybe in the Army or the Air Force, but definitely not in my gun club.

i dont!!! just a heads up i spose. i have a couple friends who entered the army and airforce and they arent complaining.

Of course not. Generally speaking, neither branch has the same standards, overall, as the Marine Corps, and you're lured into believing that everything is magically taken care of by the government. Ask the Soldier how he feels about the Army after he does his 15 month deployment and deals with mediocrity for such a long time. Or ask the Airmen how it feels to be belittled and treated like less of a man by someone that is nothing more than a civilian in a uniform.

they are quite happy because they have about 6 job opportunities waiting for them and they are all excited about every job.

If it's in your contract, it's set in stone. Period.

so if you go in, score well then you could get a job that you enjoy doing.

Every job has its highs and lows.

now i am also 50/50 on this because they lie to you in the military as well.

"They" lie to you everywhere. You lie. Your friends lie. Your teachers lie. The media lies.

all i know is that i dont trust most of what the government has to say and that goes for the military as well.

Hell, who can you trust in this day and age? Everyone is a bastard, including you.

now yet again there are the people who are joining who are young and single and dont have a lot going for them. i live next to eglin air force base which is the biggest base and its all military families around here so the military is constantly being shoved in your face. and when you dont have enough money for college and your stuck working at a pizza place because its a small town surrounding this huge base all you can really think of is "what do i have to lose. sure i love my family but i have no wife or kids and no important job. i may aswell take my chances with the military." my friend told me that he wouldnt wanna die over there and i just replied with well what if i did die over there, so be it, atleast i did something with my life rather than sit on my ass all say or work at some stupid job and possibly die in a car accident. atleast i would have died doing something big. i wanted to go into the military as a photographer. if i died doing that then so be it. i wont be doing that though. that will be a last resort because photography is not a definite in the military.

Combat Camera; Public Affairs. Photography is very, very big.

p.s. one of my friends came back from iraq and after getting some drinks in him he started to open up. hes my age (20) and hes told me some bad stories. things pertaining to the classic stuff like friends dieing and such but also that he's come so close he cant even believe that he's still alive. his vehicle being flipped and an AK being stuck in his face. i mean those are the risks that one should already know before they even go to a recruiter. in war there are no rules and most of all no mercy.

I just got back from Iraq as well. Shit happens. Join the Marine Corps. I started this topic shortly before I joined the military (3 years ago). Go figure.

[Stuckie]

Hell, who can you trust in this day and age? Everyone is a bastard, including you.

LMAO

All that "there are no rules in war" is just bullsh*t nonsense. Its called Rules of Engagement (ROE). So there are rules in a war, but the only problem with them is that we're the only one that follows them.

They did start stress cards in Basic Training (BT). I remember our Drill Sergeant talking how they were going to start it the cycle after ours. So we were the last cycle to have a "real" BT. Which means they smoked us extra before the new guys came in. Basic sucked.

The tax free money rocks.