Battle of the Game Consoles, article + questions + discussion *crosses fingers* Options

[*BOSS*]

You forgot one huge point. Many "fixes" the Xbox360 was just a replacement Xbox360 of which, also didn't work. Also, High PS2 failure rate wasn't so high, nothing is perfect, but not 1 outta every 4. Of course, this steroid head isn't making any good points either. But he is right on that there are a long list of exclusives coming to PS3. However, many developers usually announce games extremely close to release date so I doubt Microsoft will let Sony take 2009 so easily.

[SuckDickNSaveLiv...]

But see the problem I have with KZ2 is it looks like your playing a game in greyscale. About the only color is explosions, enemies eyes, and sights. Everything else looks like they put a grey filter over it with the opacity at 80%. Of COURSE it looks good. When all your textures are as toned down in color as that, I'd hope so. Now it is pleasant to look at, mainly with the great particle effects and smooth edges, but when the color pallet is that limited it just loses realism. And, yes, there is something messing with Killzone 2. It's been out for a couple years now. It's called Crysis. Ever seen it? It's superior to anything on either console. Honestly, I'm excited about Killzone 2. It's the first game for the PS3 that has been a slap in the face to Microsoft. The ball is in Microsoft's court now, and seeing as how they've been dominating this industry since day 1, I can't wait to see what they toss back.

Yeah, Microsoft is brilliant when in comes to business. They predicted that the gaming industry would still flourish even in this economy and invested early on. Now the 360 has skyrocketed and Microsoft is making a ton in profit. There's no way the PS3 will catch up. At least not anytime soon. This whole one decent game a year thing has got to go. If Sony doesn't get their act together this year, it's over. It's make it or break it time.

As a Metal Gear Solid fanatic since the first on PSX, I have to say MGS4 was decent. Mainly because I paid $60 to play a game, not watch a movie made in CGI. Seriously, that game is 10 minutes of gameplay, a 35-45 minute cut scene, rince and repeat. It really got old after about half way through.

I dunno I'm just loving my 360. The online is incredible, especially with the new dashboard and features. Achievements are absolutely BRILLIANT. They're so fun to try and challenge yourself to get and they increase the replay and value of a game 10 times over. PS3 has trophies which, I'm sorry to hate, are lame. Not at all the same thing. Trophies are like the little rewards you get for beating a game last gen like a gold medal. Who the hell wants a gold medal for beating Little Big Planet in THE FASTEST TIME EVERZ! Lame. That's like winning in the special Olympics, and we all know how that joke ends. They are pointless. Literally and figuratively. You don't get points like you do for achievements. The games are more my taste and any great game you can get on PS3 like GTA IV and COD 4 you can get on the 360, with better online and features. Xbox usually has a ton of DLC that's exclusive to the 360 like the GTA IV expansion packs coming out. I'm not real interested in games like Little Big Planet. it's fun, for a few minutes with friends, but I can't sit down and take that game seriously on my own lol. I'd feel like a tool getting the trophies in that game. Just not my type. The only game I'm remotely interested in is Killzone 2, and not even for its prettiness. I liked the first one on PS2. Techies across the internets agree that the 360 is actually a more powerful system with a slight advantage in graphic capabilities, mostly in speed/framerate and draw distance. It's just that all that Sony BS is still in the air and people are still believing it. The only advantage PS3 has is the bluray disk, but that's really not that big of an advantage. All they're using it for is to fill up disk space with CGI that is entirely too long and drawn out. Xbox is shying away from using 2 disks or else they'd have no problem with running Killzone 2 or MGS4 on the 360. I have no idea why 'cause when I was a kid, having a 2 disk game made me feel like I was getting more for my money and it usually meant that was a bad ass game. RE4 anyone? Yup, 2 disks. The perfected Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes? You guessed it. 2 disks.

Sorry for the long post. I love talking about this stuff. After all, I work in the industry. I know virtually no one on cB is interested in all this but I like chatting about it. I've yet to find a good gaming forum or else I'd go there. Unfortunately, every last one is polluted with idiots.

Yeah I heard about Crysis, but I though we were just talking about games on consoles. Why you gotta put Crysis in this lmao. JK. Even though KZ2 lacks the color you mentioned and the plant life, I think this type of setting really gives it that dark feel. But the PS3 isn't incapable of delivering top tier graphics with colors in them. I give to you Uncharted 2:







I think where Microsoft really beat Sony was by having their games become multiplatform. Particularly, if Microsoft would have never got GTA 4, the console race would be a lot closer since GTA is a big console mover. The games aren't whats hindering the PS3 though, especially since the 360 and PS3 lineups are almost identical. The price is the only thing that keeps it from competing with the 360. I just can't see how people keep saying they have no games when they have the same top tier games that Microsoft with the exception of a few, like Gears of War and Halo.

Call of Duty
Assassins Creed
GTA4
Street Fighter 4
Bioshock
etc.

All of these mutltiplatform. Plus I just prefer Sony's first party exclusives to Microsoft's. I can't miss the next saga of God of War. And despite the hate Sony is getting this, at least they're putting out a lot of new IPs this gen. Some may be terrible, but others are great. My only gripe with Sony is the price of their system.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Screenshots from a bloomwhore.

[illriginal]

^ Shitload more? Source please, because I've failed to say any impressive exclusives other than Killzone 2. Even that's getting an 8.5 average review.
See this is why people need to read the whole thread, or at least the last few pages before they make themselves look stupid. We already discussed how hypocritical it is to say this. Sony's PlayStation 2 had a high failure rate. Especially with the disk drive, or it would just decide to take a shit and never work again. It's a learning process. PS2 was Sony's 2nd console, just like the 360 is Microsoft's. The only difference is that Sony didn't do anything about it. Microsoft has provided a 3 year FREE warranty, and if your console breaks any time during those 3 years, your console will be repaired and sent back along with a free month of Xbox Live. And I have no idea where you got the idea that Microsoft denies repairing a console. I have never heard of that. The only way they deny repairs is if you open the Xbox and mess with its insides, which is perfectly legit. Every electronics company uses that as a rule. And Microsoft fixing the problem 3,4,5 years later? The problem was fixed a year and a half after the first batch of 360's were released. Up until recently, that first batch was still in cycle. I hardly ever hear of any issues with newer 360's.

Man, you really, really need to research before you speak.

I was comparing 360 to the PS3 since that's what people tend to war over.

Anyways I don't really care for the whole comparison all I really care about is having quality products that won't give me any problems.

[*BOSS*]

I was comparing 360 to the PS3 since that's what people tend to war over.

Anyways I don't really care for the whole comparison all I really care about is having quality products that won't give me any problems.

YLOD bitch

[illriginal]

YLOD bitch

Do you actually go out of your way to find threads that I posted in just so you can quote me and make a retarded remark? What a f*ckin loser.

[superstitious]

How much are 360's typically running these days?

[illriginal]

How much are 360's typically running these days?

$199.99 is what I saw today at Walmart.

[superstitious]

$199.99 is what I saw today at Walmart.

Really? For some reason I thought that they were closer to $300. I really want one. I was going back and forth between a 360 and a Wii, but my son told me that he would prefer a 360 at this point and I like the idea of being able to stream Netflix videos on it.

[illriginal]

Wii is more family/party (young and old) oriented at least a lot of their games. And ya that's something the 360 has over the Wii, being able to watch movies view Netflex.

PS3 is more adults than it is for kids, so for a child... stay away from the PS3. What makes the PS3 more expensive is its capabilities and the fact that it's a multimedia console, not just for games, videos/movies, and music.

[*BOSS*]

Do you actually go out of your way to find threads that I posted in just so you can quote me and make a retarded remark? What a f*ckin loser.

i wouldnt have to quote you if you said legit things without sounding like a f*cking moron, but hey,enjoy your bullshitted console, if you hadn't noticed,PS3 games and Xbox360 games llook pretty similar even if the PS3 is more "powerful".


you know what, f*ck it, ima just stop bothering with you, you cant fix stupid

[illriginal]

i wouldnt have to quote you if you said legit things without sounding like a f*cking moron, but hey,enjoy your bullshitted console, if you hadn't noticed,PS3 games and Xbox360 games llook pretty similar even if the PS3 is more "powerful".

Do yourself a favor find a friend who has a PS3 and a XBOX360. Play COD4 on two 50"+ HD televisions, both same make and model t.v. Then have both players join the same exact board, with the same exact sniper rifle, and zoom in. I can guarantee you the PS3 has better graphics when you discover the 360 is more blurry than the PS3 as the PS3 has a much more crisp image thus giving you the bigger advantage as far as long-range sniping.

Also wait around this year when games use more than 30% of the PS3's processing power, we'll see who's the king. The only game to ever use up the most processing power from the PS3 which is 1/3 of the power was, "Uncharted: Drakes Fortune". Not even, "Solid Gear 4" could match 30% of the PS3's processing power. Wait by the end of this year lol... the games are only going to get sicker.


Again the PS3 is for adults... typically for those who are wealthy to get the full package and take full advantage of their PS3. Which would include Blu-Ray movies, surround sound system, 50"+ HDTVs, + money to purchase downloadable games + add-ons and movies through the PS3 network.

[*BOSS*]

have you seen video comparisons of assassins creed and GTAIV? they look pretty similar, also no matter what you say about PSN, theres no doubt that xbox live is better. anyways, you were right, perhaps bashing you wasnt the best idea, so ill stay professional from this point on

[illriginal]

Yes of course.. I don't know how to explain it to you. The developers don't know how hard to push the PS3's power... they think that the video card is independent in the PS3, but it's not. The power of the video card is mixed with the multiple cell processors in the PS3. So these developers are trying to stick to the standard, but this year.. all of that is going to change especially after they realized the PS3's power hasn't even been pushed no where near to the limits. It's like driving a Nissan Skyline and only doing 80mph thinking it can't go any faster or that you might damage the pistons at a higher speed.

[*BOSS*]

well there in lies the problem, the whole point of creating a market is to gain profit. when you make a power ful machine and can't perform to the max, your under developing. Which is why once again Sony f*cked up


also yes I am fully aware that developers cant push the PS3 to the max. In fact, the latest games for ps2, 5 years after it came out, only used up 90% of his potential

[illriginal]

well there in lies the problem, the whole point of creating a market is to gain profit. when you make a power ful machine and can't perform to the max, your under developing. Which is why once again Sony f*cked up

Right! Because SONY came out with a console that has an alien architecture to game developers. Some were even scared to try to develop games for the PS3 only to fail because it was too new to them. It's like askin a Windows professor to hop on a Linux machine and start fixing the issues within it. It'll be too hard for him because he doesn't even know how to maneuver through Linux, nor even know the commands or how to execute the commands. It's alien to him.

That's exactly how it is with the PS3 and game developers... SONY wants a whole new 'age' in game consoles.. they call the PS2 primitive and weak even though the PS2 makes them more money.

[mipadi]

Really? For some reason I thought that they were closer to $300. I really want one. I was going back and forth between a 360 and a Wii, but my son told me that he would prefer a 360 at this point and I like the idea of being able to stream Netflix videos on it.

They're $199 for the base model, but I'd recommend the next model up (which I think is $299). The cheapest model lacks a bunch of things, such as a hard drive, so you'll probably end up spending another $100 pretty quickly anyway. (Memory cards are not cheap, for example.)

[superstitious]

They're $199 for the base model, but I'd recommend the next model up (which I think is $299). The cheapest model lacks a bunch of things, such as a hard drive, so you'll probably end up spending another $100 pretty quickly anyway. (Memory cards are not cheap, for example.)

Ok, that jives with what my boyfriend has been telling me then. I thought he was just trying to make me get some uber model or something. (I can be a little...cheap haha)

[*BOSS*]

Right! Because SONY came out with a console that has an alien architecture to game developers. Some were even scared to try to develop games for the PS3 only to fail because it was too new to them. It's like askin a Windows professor to hop on a Linux machine and start fixing the issues within it. It'll be too hard for him because he doesn't even know how to maneuver through Linux, nor even know the commands or how to execute the commands. It's alien to him.

That's exactly how it is with the PS3 and game developers... SONY wants a whole new 'age' in game consoles.. they call the PS2 primitive and weak even though the PS2 makes them more money.

Thats not exactly a good thing. Potential is nothing but an idea, which is exactly why PS3 is under achieving.

[illriginal]

We'll see this year.

[smoke]

Yes of course.. I don't know how to explain it to you. The developers don't know how hard to push the PS3's power... they think that the video card is independent in the PS3, but it's not. The power of the video card is mixed with the multiple cell processors in the PS3. So these developers are trying to stick to the standard, but this year.. all of that is going to change especially after they realized the PS3's power hasn't even been pushed no where near to the limits. It's like driving a Nissan Skyline and only doing 80mph thinking it can't go any faster or that you might damage the pistons at a higher speed.

It saddens me to see that there are still people out there believing the Sony bull shit. Both systems have been broken down time and time again, and it's been proven time and time again their performance is nearly identical despite the different hardware. Sony tried to use the "alien" hardware to their advantage and say it'll be nothing like we've seen before and get people to believe exactly what you're trying to convince us of. We see where that's gotten them. Luckily there are still a few nerds out there on the interwebs, that know what they're talking about, who totally debunked their hype.

We'll see this year.

lol, I wouldn't count on it.

Also, most every multiplatform developer uses the 360 to create their games, and PS3 gets a port, so I don't see how you figure PS3 has better graphics. It's been proven time and time and time again that both consoles are nearly identical, usually slightly favoring the 360 in terms of framerate or draw distance.

All in all, it comes down to games. That's what the customers want. Why do you think the Wii is so successful? For hardcore gamers like me, there's not a lot there but they have fun exciting games with a great interactive control scheme. 360 pwns PS3 in terms of games. And don't give me that "well PS3 has this this and this coming out" because I really don't care. PS3 fans have been saying that since the consoles release and I've yet to see anything impressive other than Killzone 2. What about NOW? What to they have right now? Not shit, that's what. If Sony doesn't get it together this year, it's over, and besides a couple good looking titles, they haven't impressed. They need a lot more than that.

[illriginal]

It saddens me to see that there are still people out there believing the Sony bull shit. Both systems have been broken down time and time again, and it's been proven time and time again their performance is nearly identical despite the different hardware. Sony tried to use the "alien" hardware to their advantage and say it'll be nothing like we've seen before and get people to believe exactly what you're trying to convince us of. We see where that's gotten them. Luckily there are still a few nerds out there on the interwebs, that know what they're talking about, who totally debunked their hype.

Ok... enlighten us. Because apparently you're not understanding everything I've said. How can you test a 360 say with COD4 vs the PS3, when the 360 is using more than likely about 70-80% of its processing power as opposed to the PS3 which not one game til this day has surpassed 30% of it's processing power.


Let me make this easier to understand.


A 4 cylinder vehicle doing 80mph will be pushing about 5,000 RPMs as apposed to an 8 cylinder vehicle that's doing 80mph will only be pushing about 3,500 RPMs

All you're comparing is that the capabilities of both the 4 cylinder and the 8 cylinder doing 80mph but neglecting the RPMs. The 4 cylinder is closer to hitting the RPM limiter than the 8 cylinder which still has a long way to go before it caps or hits the RPM limiter.

There has to be a game that can push the processing power of the PS3 to the limits to even test the PS3 vs the 360 but that's impossible because it would surpass the processing power of the 360.


You're basically admitting to my face right now that a Single Core processor is just as powerful as a Quad Core processor just because they're both able to handle the processes of Windows XP or Windows Vista . Anyone with knowledge in computer engineering can understand this concept and laugh at it.

So you can test the two units with the same game 100 times over and over and of course because the game is developed pretty much the same way, (but just in two different formats) they're ALWAYS going to be around the same performance. Stop testing the capabilities with weak games. Give the PS3 4-6 months from now to come out with the real games... and I bet the 360 couldn't even handle it, the 360 version would be limited in so many ways it's not even funny.

[Maccabee]

THE NEW DSI! I cant wait! It looks like so much fun! Ill prob trade in my old DS for it.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

It's supposedly much lighter. My issue with it is that I can't play my classic Gameboy games on it.

[*BOSS*]

Also, most every multiplatform developer uses the 360 to create their games

All in all, it comes down to games. That's what the customers want. Why do you think the Wii is so successful? For hardcore gamers like me, there's not a lot there but they have fun exciting games with a great interactive control scheme. 360 pwns PS3 in terms of games. And don't give me that "well PS3 has this this and this coming out" because I really don't care. PS3 fans have been saying that since the consoles release and I've yet to see anything impressive other than Killzone 2. What about NOW? What to they have right now? Not shit, that's what. If Sony doesn't get it together this year, it's over, and besides a couple good looking titles, they haven't impressed. They need a lot more than that.

Don't be so sure. PS3's 2009 exclusive line up is blowing Microsoft out of the water. Other than Killzone 2, theres Heavy Rain, White Knight Chronicles, Drakes 2, God of War 3, Infamous, MAG, Gran Turismo 5 and probably a few more.