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 Oct 20 2008, 03:28 PM
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 Vae Victis  Group: Official Member Posts: 1,417 Joined: Sep 2006 Member No: 460,227  |
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 20 2008, 12:56 PM)  ...but what put the stuff necessary for the big bang into play? I guess I just like to believe that maybe there were something that started it for kicks, an explanation for things not yet explainable. *shrug. Then you're left with trying to explain what started God. |
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Oct 21 2008, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Oct 20 2008, 03:28 PM) Then you're left with trying to explain what started God. Yup yup. I don't know. |
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Oct 21 2008, 12:57 AM
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My mother's side of the family is Catholic... hardcore Catholic. My father's side of the family is filled with a bunch of Southern Baptists (which certainly made Sundays interesting growing up). My parents tried to reach a middle ground by experimenting with different non-denominational churches. After a while, I just got annyoed with the various interpretations of the "word." Then, life comes into play and I personally just couldn't fathom the idea of placing all of my hope and faith into something that I have no proof of. For the past year, or so, I had pretty much given up on religion, in general. Iraq had to be the straw that broke the camel's back (hahaha, camel, hahaha, Iraq, rofl).
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Oct 21 2008, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(fameONE @ Oct 20 2008, 02:26 AM) What drove you, Nate or anyone else here to this point? i was born catholic (which is another way of saying that i was intellectually raped before i even had the chance to develop critical thinking). my family was catholic. i went to church every sunday. i believed. i grew the f**k up. it involved a lot shit, not the least of which was realizing that people all over the world were dieing and f**king up and shit was going to hell and everything sucked for no reason other than there is no f**king reason shit just happens. of course, the story is more complicated and nuanced, but, i think anyone taking a stroll through a children's cancer ward and by the end of it can still be all, "well, at leas they'll have normal cell growth in heaven" is a f**king psychotic. in either case, it's all so clearly socially constructed (i.e. we want to maintain control and power) and humanely invented (i.e. we fear death so we invent ever-lasting life) that it is nauseating and embarrassing that anyone could ever believe any of it. here is an alright reference before when i gave half a hoot. QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 20 2008, 09:16 AM) It's cool, I'd be lying if I said that post surprised me. You see, having completed school on time, being on track with my life, knowing I'm going somewhere, I'm a lot less cynical than our boy Nate. i have no idea what my cynicism has to do with you not being a scientific thinker, a skeptic, or an empiricist. who wants to "be on track with life" anyways? that shit is for motivational posters and after-school specialsss: thumbs down, thumbs down! |
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Oct 21 2008, 02:00 AM
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It also lets me do what I want without worry of being in a financially tight spot later down the road for what I want to do. I'm sure you're fine with how you are, and I'm not one to judge, but I'm a different person with different habits/motives.
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Nov 14 2008, 07:08 PM
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Science, no need for a reason. Religion is just magic tricks and lies.
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Jan 23 2009, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Oct 20 2008, 12:28 PM) Then you're left with trying to explain what started God. How something is started is irrelevant. Just know that you are trying to grasp something that is beyond you. |
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Jan 23 2009, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE(KINGdinguhling @ Jan 23 2009, 07:02 AM) How something is started is irrelevant. Just know that you are trying to grasp something that is beyond you. No. |
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Jan 23 2009, 11:35 AM
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I started out with being brought up on religion.
I was raised a christian and all that and to me most of the stories didn't hold water for me. When i got into high school i studied other religions as well as the history of christianity. So in my journey to find the "truth" and where we came from and all that jazz I studied Shintoism, Buddhism, Islam, and the other branches of christianity. Basically after all that my view on religion has changed and i've strayed far from that paved road which leads to "salvation" What I have to say is... one if god created all of us why would he discriminate on everyone else and choose one group of people to be his chosen people. Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden depicted as white and depiceted as the first two people. If we're their children if I get married I'm marrying my sister then. Now if you look at what happens with people born through insest you see that they are born with abnormalities. |
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Jan 23 2009, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Jan 23 2009, 04:10 AM) I got owned by KINGdinguhling.
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Jan 23 2009, 05:19 PM
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Lets put it in perspective:
SCIENTIFIC ADVANCES Religious Advancements Atheism is actually the fastest growing "religion" Religion is delusion used against the conceptual celestial fact of death and used to reinforced "model" behavior |
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Jan 23 2009, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(MolecularStudios @ Jan 23 2009, 02:19 PM) Religion is delusion used against the conceptual celestial fact of death and used to reinforced "model" behavior[/size] use science to prove this |
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Jan 23 2009, 05:26 PM
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Both Science and Religion are used as a form of social control.
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Jan 23 2009, 05:32 PM
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I just don't see how religion can explain everything that's been happened to the world as far as how it was created, the creation of life, cause we obviously weren't the first ones here.
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Jan 23 2009, 05:34 PM
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i dont see how science can explain everything either
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Jan 23 2009, 06:00 PM
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but it certainly can explain alot of things where as the bible has alot of questionable things in it.
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Jan 23 2009, 06:02 PM
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If you combine Religion and Science you get
RELIENCE.  Yes, you can rely on those two things to explain the universe. |
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Jan 23 2009, 06:03 PM
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RELIGION DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE UNIVERSE.
i never heard of that little reliance thing, did u just make that up. |
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Jan 23 2009, 06:04 PM
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I know I was just saying. I thought you knew I was an atheist JC lol.
edit: yeah I just made it up lol. |
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Jan 23 2009, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2009, 05:03 PM) RELIGION DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE UNIVERSE. i never heard of that little reliance thing, did u just make that up. no way dude a magical being in seven days poofed it into existence, duh |
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Jan 23 2009, 06:07 PM
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I'm Jc Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 |
yeah i know you are tung. except that one time when you could have stolen that concert t shirt but god was watching so you didn't, or whatever that one thread was
oh yeah steven, i understand now. |
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Jan 23 2009, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2009, 03:07 PM) yeah i know you are tung. except that one time when you could have stolen that concert t shirt but god was watching so you didn't, or whatever that one thread was f*cken  I can't believe you still remember that shit. You remember too many shit.  That night though, I think I was just scared of getting caught, especially when the concert was at my University. Ain't risking getting kicked out of Uni over a $40 Relient K hoodie. Oh wow, the irony. Relient K, is a Christian Rock band too.
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Jan 23 2009, 06:15 PM
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I'm Jc Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 |
 i know where you're coming from though. i think everyone has moments where they realize they could do something bad and get away it most likely. |
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Jan 23 2009, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(KINGdinguhling @ Jan 23 2009, 07:02 AM) I got owned by KINGdinguhling. Something nonexistent cannot be beyond me. |
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Jan 23 2009, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Jan 23 2009, 06:10 PM) Something nonexistent cannot be beyond me. Well first you must prove there nonexistence even exists. Ironically... |
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