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Sophomore is the new Senior
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post Nov 7 2008, 09:17 PM
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Should Kids Be Able To Graduate After 10th Grade?

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High school sophomores should be ready for college by age 16. That's the message from New Hampshire education officials, who announced plans Oct. 30 for a new rigorous state board of exams to be given to 10th graders. Students who pass will be prepared to move on to the state's community or technical colleges, skipping the last two years of high school.


Absolutely preposterous! >=0

Reminds me of BSEC here in NYC. Bard High School Early College completes the high school curriculum within 2 years so if the students survive the end of their senior year, they would have an Associates Degree.
 
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post Nov 7 2008, 09:34 PM
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thats ridiculous, sophmores are not ready. Im a junior now and i dont think i could have graduated last year and go to college, im not ready yet and i doubt most are.
 
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post Nov 7 2008, 09:36 PM
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This is just a ploy, so the Education system can earn more money quicker. The earlier these kids can attend college, means more money for these colleges.
 
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post Nov 7 2008, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(Tomates @ Nov 7 2008, 09:34 PM) *
thats ridiculous, sophmores are not ready. Im a junior now and i dont think i could have graduated last year and go to college, im not ready yet and i doubt most are.

But they're saying whoever passes the test. If you don't think you could've past the test in your previous year, then you don't get to graduate.

I still think it's pretty stupid, though. You can cram all you want for this test but that doesn't prove that you will do well long term (college)
 
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post Nov 7 2008, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(SilentLaugh @ Nov 7 2008, 09:45 PM) *
But they're saying whoever passes the test. If you don't think you could've past the test in your previous year, then you don't get to graduate.

I still think it's pretty stupid, though. You can cram all you want for this test but that doesn't prove that you will do well long term (college)

my mom was able to graduate junior year and she tells me that she regrets doing so, she wished that she stayed her senior year and that she wasnt prepared. I think the extra years help no matter how intelligent someone is.
 
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post Nov 7 2008, 10:04 PM
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I'm with Natalie on the whole thing about them not being ready yet. Not so much because they're not prepared for college in terms of intelligence, but because they're not ready for it mentally/emotionally. I mean, most sophomores I know are extremely immature.

I actually know someone who went into college at 16 (or was it 15?), and a teacher and I talk about her quite often - she is quite possibly the smartest person I know of, but my teacher constantly brings up the fact that he is totally against it because of her young age. She may be super book-smart, but there are just so many things people her age would not understand.

Think TJ on that '90s WB show "Smart Guy".
 
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post Nov 8 2008, 03:11 AM
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Damn, I wish I could have done that.
 
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post Nov 8 2008, 03:15 AM
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I don't know, I think it's totally do-able. I mean I can see myself doing all this shit that I'm doing right now when I was 16. Maybe that's just me? And that I'm not taking many "thinking" courses right now?
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 02:27 AM
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ask kryo, i think he graduated at age 16 from high school.

if there was an opportunity like this at my state, i would totally take this chance so i could spend the free two years to support my family's financial needs, discover what i really want to do, and take community college classes I would be interested. i think it's a good opportunity for teenagers to have the entire 2 years to decide their career, future, and life, if they dedicated their time to finish high school asap.

so yes, there are both sides of the education system.

sometimes, teenagers should just be teenagers and have fun.
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QUOTE(Joannnnnne @ Nov 7 2008, 10:04 PM) *
I'm with Natalie on the whole thing about them not being ready yet. Not so much because they're not prepared for college in terms of intelligence, but because they're not ready for it mentally/emotionally. I mean, most sophomores I know are extremely immature.

I actually know someone who went into college at 16 (or was it 15?), and a teacher and I talk about her quite often - she is quite possibly the smartest person I know of, but my teacher constantly brings up the fact that he is totally against it because of her young age. She may be super book-smart, but there are just so many things people her age would not understand.

Think TJ on that '90s WB show "Smart Guy".

Not every teenagers are ready yet, but there are teenagers who are capable of doing it for whatever urgent reasons. so, i still think it opens door for strong motivated students regardless of their class level. what do you mean, "by the term of intelligent"? aren't they already intelligent that they made so much sacrifices, commitments, responsibilities, and willpowers to succeed? i think that's consider intelligent if a student actually made it through high school.

the bad side of this education plan is the retentions of knowledges that will be needed for college. i certainly don't think anyone could move fast without time to fully absorb the materials and basics i don't know.

I mean, how could you remember so much in two years and take the final exams or replacement test?

your teacher mentioned, "so many things people her age would not understand" like what? mellow.gif
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE(Whinoa @ Nov 10 2008, 11:27 PM) *
Not every teenagers are ready yet, but there are teenagers who are capable of doing it for whatever urgent reasons. so, i still think it opens door for strong motivated students regardless of their class level. what do you mean, "by the term of intelligent"? aren't they already intelligent that they made so much sacrifices, commitments, responsibilities, and willpowers to succeed? i think that's consider intelligent if a student actually made it through high school.
You misunderstood me. I meant that they ARE intelligent enough for college/university, but maybe not mentally/emotionally. As in not being able to handle the pressure and responsibilities (?). Or something like that. I can't seem the find the right word at the moment.

Pretty much what Thomas just said. Experience! I think skipping 2+ years of school is kind of like skipping 2+ of life, y'know? But I do completely understand what you mean about supporting your family and whatnot. Those things aside, though, I'd like to experience high school and university to the fullest.
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 02:55 AM
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QUOTE(kreios @ Nov 11 2008, 02:43 AM) *
But think about all the actual experiences that you have in your junior and senior year, a lot of my leadership experience came from 2 years as a high ranking member of my school's SGA, had it not been for that, as well as the 100+ hours I put into volunteering at the middle school during my junior and senior year, I would not have any extra curricular activities to put on my college apps. I don't think the idea of sophomores going into cc or technical school for full time enrollment is that great of an idea, of course, this is where the argument of what about those kids, as juniors start taking dual-enrollment and are taking the majority of their classes at a cc, and only a couple of required for graduation classes at the high school. :/ I'm really iffy though, about the graduation as a sophomore because you can pass a few tests.

but then, how many students are actively involved in leadership-sort-of-thing? from my background, there are rarely any active student-leaders at my school. i don't know what to think anything else. i cant imagine many students being active involved in leadership. Not to mentioned, i had been officers at my school, been a speaker to speak to the entire public, gained fame on newspaper, did community services, did a bunch of stuff, participate in various club events, and "tasting" every organization out there. i totally understand that you meant by those "important life experiences/qualities". we do share common value and traits, but the question is .. how many students have that kind of attitude?

another thing we can also keep in mind that community colleges and middle schools do offer leadership program too such as builder k, circle k, and various programs that promote student's growth.

most importantly, "partying" and the "fun" stuff will always be there.

"partying" and "fun stuff" = volunteering, leadership, running for officer position, and being a well-rounded person.
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 10:31 AM
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I was done by 17 :]
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 12:41 PM
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I think the education system in the US sucks as it is and the kids coming out of high school are not prepared for college .. so its STUPID to let them graduate earlier.
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 01:09 PM
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I'll finish school 3 months before my 18th birthday.
But, a lot of people do that. So it isn't very special.
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(YukkaPukka @ Nov 11 2008, 11:09 AM) *
I'll finish school 3 months before my 18th birthday.
But, a lot of people do that. So it isn't very special.

Ya I was 17 when I graduated.
 
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post Nov 11 2008, 01:37 PM
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I was 17 too. I was definitely ready to get out of high school by 16. The only obvious downside would be going to college at 17, because you wouldn't be able to do the same things as an 18 year old without a fake.
 

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