The 2008 Election:, Obama v. McCain Options

[*paperplane*]

Yeah, that was impressive.

[dosomethin888]

This is freakin exhausting, I have like 3 people coming at me. haha

Paperplane, Im regurgitating every Republican talking point? Ive actually broken away from the norm. You unfortunately have not managed to think for yourself or get properly educated on the issues and you just "regurgitate" what the liberal media and liberal society is feeding you. Obviously, its not "popular" to be a republican/conservative by any means.
How am I vilinizing any one by calling them a liberal? I classify people's party by the issues they stand by. And you and brooklyneast05 have liberal views. I didnt say it is a dirty word, its just a classification.

Actually, illegal immigrants can vote. Its called voter fraud. Which is happening quite a bit right now in a number of states, 13 to be exact. ACORN, a "non-biased" group which is endorsing Barack Obama, which recieves federal funds and money from outside groups (Almost a million from Obama himself) has been allegedly registering people more than once, registering names such as "mickey mouse" and deceased people. A man claims that ACORN paid him to register 72 times. People off the streets are registering in exchange for cigaretes. You think that illegal immigrants are going to be checked for American citizenship while registering w/ groups like these? Hell no.

I am very sympathetic to those worse off than me. But Im not sypathetic to those who break our laws. We need to tighten the hell out of our borders. You say its not the "illegals" faults for accepting the jobs that people give them. Well, if they werent there in the first place than they wouldnt be getting jobs then would they? The people handing out those jobs should be held accountable.

Im going to say this again, that you have a liberal perspective of "Its not their fault, they didnt KNOW what they were doing, they had to break the laws to have a better life and now we will just have compassion on the criminals and BAIL THEM OUT."

Ya, BAIL THEM OUT. Does sound familiar, huh? Its a nice little phrase.

No. They are criminals living in our country, taking our jobs, not paying taxes. They need to be held accountable for their actions. Im pretty straight forward about that. And, no Im not naive.

FYI, about 50% of small businesses make 250,000 or more a year.

Come on, brooklyneast05, get your info from somewhere else than BarackObama.com
The candidates websites make it sound so nice. If you want the stright forward talk, without any of Obama's smooth talking, go to another website for your info. Use google, its magical.

[brooklyneast05]

^what have you said that has "broken away" from the republican norm?

Actually, illegal immigrants can vote. Its called voter fraud. Which is happening quite a bit right now in a number of states, 13 to be exact.

false. you apparently don't know what you're talking about or the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. right now the problem involving acorn is voter REGISTRATION fraud, not voter fraud. those are two completely different things . voter REGISTRATION fraud happens every election, this isn't some brand new phenomenon. voter REGISTRATION fraud doesn't equal voter fraud and based on past elections there isn't much reason to believe it leads to that.

someone sending in a fake application is way different than someone actually showing up to vote. someone sent in a registration form as mickey mouse, they didn't actually go down with their mickey mouse documentation and try to vote claiming they were mickey mouse. you have to be a complete idiot to not see the difference here.

voter fraud is rare, voter registration fraud isn't.

I am very sympathetic to those worse off than me. But Im not sypathetic to those who break our laws. We need to tighten the hell out of our borders. You say its not the "illegals" faults for accepting the jobs that people give them. Well, if they werent there in the first place than they wouldnt be getting jobs then would they? The people handing out those jobs should be held accountable.

har har har

if they weren't getting handed jobs in the first place they wouldn't be there to get them, obviously.

FYI, about 50% of small businesses make 250,000 or more a year.

where's the cite to this

Come on, brooklyneast05, get your info from somewhere else than BarackObama.com
The candidates websites make it sound so nice. If you want the stright forward talk, without any of Obama's smooth talking, go to another website for your info. Use google, its magical.

why? if i wanted to point out what obama's stance was, why wouldn't i go to the candidates website? if i wanted to point out what mccains was i'd go to his. no i'm not going to just google up some random website for that. if you think the candidates websites aren't accurate and haven't been picked over a million times by the other party then you're dumb.


where do you go for your "straight forward talk".

[mipadi]

Im going to say this again, that you have a liberal perspective of "Its not their fault, they didnt KNOW what they were doing, they had to break the laws to have a better life and now we will just have compassion on the criminals and BAIL THEM OUT."

Ya, BAIL THEM OUT. Does sound familiar, huh? Its a nice little phrase.

How do you feel about the recent banking bailout?

[sixfive]

I am pro water boarding!

[*paperplane*]

Paperplane, Im regurgitating every Republican talking point? Ive actually broken away from the norm. You unfortunately have not managed to think for yourself or get properly educated on the issues and you just "regurgitate" what the liberal media and liberal society is feeding you. Obviously, its not "popular" to be a republican/conservative by any means.
How am I vilinizing any one by calling them a liberal? I classify people's party by the issues they stand by. And you and brooklyneast05 have liberal views. I didnt say it is a dirty word, its just a classification.

Not the norm where I live. I live in the south, and you sound like everyone here. Conservatism is most definitely popular, being liberal is taboo. The society I live in is not at all liberal, so there's pretty much no way I'm regurgitating what the "liberal society" is feeding me. But really, you've got the Republican talking points down, whether it's the norm where you live or not. There's nothing special about being Republican in Democratic territory if you're just going to take everything the Republicans you say for truth. You didn't say it's a dirty word, but that doesn't mean you're not treating it like one, and that I don't see it used as such on a daily basis. (Also note that I'm not proposing anything here, just debating the points you make.)

Actually, illegal immigrants can vote. Its called voter fraud. Which is happening quite a bit right now in a number of states, 13 to be exact. ACORN, a "non-biased" group which is endorsing Barack Obama, which recieves federal funds and money from outside groups (Almost a million from Obama himself) has been allegedly registering people more than once, registering names such as "mickey mouse" and deceased people. A man claims that ACORN paid him to register 72 times. People off the streets are registering in exchange for cigaretes. You think that illegal immigrants are going to be checked for American citizenship while registering w/ groups like these? Hell no.

This has already been covered, but you really ought to do better research before espousing these things. Just because you're an oh-so-rebellious conservative does not mean you can simply ignore what you don't want to hear from the big bad "liberal media." I can send in voter registrations all day long, it doesn't mean that all my fake applications will be registered. Do you really have that little faith in the quality of our voting system? I applied for an absentee ballot, and got my request rejected because my signature didn't match. If they're picky enough to reject my perfectly valid request for an absentee ballot because my signatures didn't match, there is no way in hell they're going to let people vote without even checking their citizenship. Really, think before you repeat.

I am very sympathetic to those worse off than me. But Im not sypathetic to those who break our laws. We need to tighten the hell out of our borders. You say its not the "illegals" faults for accepting the jobs that people give them. Well, if they werent there in the first place than they wouldnt be getting jobs then would they? The people handing out those jobs should be held accountable.

Im going to say this again, that you have a liberal perspective of "Its not their fault, they didnt KNOW what they were doing, they had to break the laws to have a better life and now we will just have compassion on the criminals and BAIL THEM OUT."

Ya, BAIL THEM OUT. Does sound familiar, huh? Its a nice little phrase.

Hi, yeah, not what I said at all. PS McCain supported the recent bailout and is still soft on illegal immigrants by Republican standards. Well, at least traditionally. I'm not too sure what his position is these days, since he's taken to pandering to the far right.

Hang on, so you don't trust candidates' websites (I'm with you there; they should be visited to see the platform, but be supplemented by other sources, preferably of the nonpartisan variety), but you reject anything the media says because it's liberal? So what do you read? Any conservative blog you happen to come across on google and agree with? Whatever your daddy shows you?* No? Let me guess... All of them?

*my father and grandfather send me every anti-Obama email forward they come across, youtube videos on how much the Democrats suck, conservative columns, and today things taken from McCain's website. just for the record.

[mipadi]

Actually, illegal immigrants can vote. Its called voter fraud. Which is happening quite a bit right now in a number of states, 13 to be exact. ACORN, a "non-biased" group which is endorsing Barack Obama, which recieves federal funds and money from outside groups (Almost a million from Obama himself) has been allegedly registering people more than once, registering names such as "mickey mouse" and deceased people. A man claims that ACORN paid him to register 72 times. People off the streets are registering in exchange for cigaretes. You think that illegal immigrants are going to be checked for American citizenship while registering w/ groups like these? Hell no.

It's not really an issue. The Republicans can probably just have them thrown out, anyway.

[twilightheart]

I'm going for Obama even though I can't vote.
He's just the kind of guy who seems like he can do alot.
For the people and for this world.

[Tung]

I'm going for Obama even though I can't vote.
He's just the kind of guy who seems like he can do alot.
For the people and for this world.

The media has such a big influence on this. To be honest Obama isn't going to change much. But it's nice to know George Bush isn't going to be in DC anymore.

[sassa12489]

Obama because he has character unlike McCain and he just connects to people.

If McCain had the character he claimed he had, his campaign would'n't be in the mess it is right now. First he attacks Obama and picks a running mate who says some of the stupidest stuff: Rev. Wright. It's okay to get ppl to doubt the candidate but when this 1st came out, McCain said he wouldnt play on it. Now it's ok b/c he's losing. That is where my argument comes from. AT the 3rd debate, he started whining that Obama was defending him from ads and such, when a independent group released an ad calling Obama's wife an angry black, the GOP said nothing. Those racists ppl @ the rallies, Palin did nothing to defend Obama and all of a sudden Obama has low character b/c he refuses to waste all his time defending him.

McCain was disturbed by his own rallies but he stirred the ppl up.

Also, I'm part of the GOP but the party has just done some screwed up stuff. All the scandal, all the indictments, all the property tax hikes, the broken promises, the screwed up war, sorry but I'm disappointed in my own party. McCain tries to divide this country while Obama is trying to unite it. The choice is just clear to me. Obama cares, I think McCain juist feels he deserves it b/c he was a vet.

[brooklyneast05]

to be honest i think they both have character. i think mccain has plenty of character and he's been tested on that more than obama or anyone running has. to me the problem is that mccain isn't running his campaign, some other nutcases with awful judgment are. i don't think mccain would have chosen palin on his own, i don't think he would have gone as negative as he has, i don't think he would concern himself with all this bill aires terrorist bullshit ect ect. i mean does this really resemble the mccain prior to this election? no.


problem is that he hasn't ran it himself, and if he can't tell the religious right and far right to f**k off now, then i don't think he'll do any better at it when he's in office.


i mean there's some stuff i just wouldn't agree on period, becuase i'm not very conservative, esp on social issues. i'm not so far left though that i wouldn't ever vote for a republican.


had mccain ran this shit himself and picked a real vice presidential candidate...well, i might actually have to make more of a choice

[sixfive]

McCain is a funny guy.

[brooklyneast05]

McCain is a funny guy.

what do you consider yourself? as far as party affiliation and stuff. no reason really, i'm just asking out of curiosity. i don't really mean in regards to this election specially, but more in general. i'm pretty sure i've read you aren't for mccain or obama either one.

[dosomethin888]

This is impossible, Im the only f**king conservative on this forum.

[sixfive]

what do you consider yourself? as far as party affiliation and stuff. no reason really, i'm just asking out of curiosity. i don't really mean in regards to this election specially, but more in general. i'm pretty sure i've read you aren't for mccain or obama either one.

(inc drunk typing)

id vote for mccain over obama but im not voting for either one of them, rather im going to vot fob bob barr because i like the libertarian stances or platform or w/e and if they get a certain percentage theyll get more funding or be on the next playform or ballot w/e and they might just might get the kind of influence the populist party got back aout a hundred years ago then make some changes idk

[Reidar]

This is impossible, Im the only f**king conservative on this forum.

I probably hold more principles that would be considered conservative than I do liberal ones, but I don't care to label myself under any one affiliate.

[sixfive]

This is impossible, Im the only f**king conservative on this forum.

YOU HAVEN'T READ MY POSTS THEN

[alison-apples]

Obama and McCain both have a sense of humor. They both seem like nice people who could run the country, with opposition from the opposite party and high regards from their own. I mean, I agree with Obama on more subjects and think he'd lead this country much better, but I also believe that McCain wouldn't be any worse than what we already have. Hell, McCain would be a step up from the monstrosity we currently call our president.

But the thing is, for me, is this:

If McCain gets elected we will remain going the same direction we currently are. If Obama gets elected, there's a chance... a hope that things could improve.

The truth is, McCain has run one of the worst presidential campaigns in modern history. Palin is what hurt him the most, I think. If not for her, I wouldn't care if McCain got elected. The people who say McCain is a perfectly healthy seventy-two year old man are wrong. He smoked two packs of cigarettes a day for decades. He's had multiple fights with cancer. What if, one day, it shows up again and he can't fight it off? Then we're stuck with the brilliant* hockey mom, Sarah Palin.

If he had picked a different, more competent person to be his running mate, I think he could've won.

But the chances of that, now, are slim to none. He has to win the remaining toss up states and steal some states that Obama already has. I really think that, on that great day in January, the first (half) African American president will take the seat where he rightfully belongs--in the oval office.

*italics denote sarcasm

[coconutter]

This is impossible, Im the only f**king conservative on this forum.

Wow..that's very untrue.

[sleepwalkerdream...]

Obama is our new president.

[freeridefight]

Obama is our new president.

Thank God

[misoshiru]

YES WE CAN

[Reidar]

McCain is still badass, but the extent he went to deface Rashid Khalidi was utterly reprehensible.