McCain picks Palin as VP Options

[hi-C]

Oh, the abortion and sex ed stance is definitely in relevance to her daughter's pregnancy, but I was saying it's not relevant to the election, though. Which it isn't because why would her daughter's pregnancy affect her ability to run for office? It wouldn't. It should however, change her stance on abstinence only education, because obviously it didn't work for her daughter, and it most likely won't work with anyone else.

Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. It should change her stance, but it probably (more than likely) won't. I don't want a vice-president, potentially president, who doesn't support abstinence only education and who might (this is just me conjecturing) potentially cut funding for sex ed programs, Planned Parenthood, etc.

[coconutter]

Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. It should change her stance, but it probably (more than likely) won't. I don't want a vice-president, potentially president, who doesn't support abstinence only education and who might (this is just me conjecturing) potentially cut funding for sex ed programs, Planned Parenthood, etc.

She'd be just the idiot to do that too. God, I really hope she doesn't get VP, with her we're all doomed. If we have her as president, we're even MORE doomed.

[brooklyneast05]

^that's a bit dramatic.

[coconutter]

^that's a bit dramatic.

Well, yeah I think we could handle her as VP, but if she were to become president, with no experience in foreign policy and leading such a huge population, I don't think she could handle it. She doesn't even know what a VP does :/

[hi-C]

^ In that case, the Speaker of the House would be president, I believe. Since that's how the chain of command goes.

[brooklyneast05]

i was a lot more satisfied with McCain when the christian right wasn't thrilled with him

[The-March-Hare]

^ No, it doesn't work in a 'bump-up' style. If a VP is sworn in following the death of a sitting president, or any other circumstances which cause them to leave office, the new President is entitled to name a Vice-President of their own, who will then assume the post of next-in-line. Although interestingly, historically the post has remained vacant, presumably because the new appointee would have to be confirmed by Congress, and would have no elected mandate, which woul dbe problematic were they, in turn, have to assume office.

The SPH would only be elevated if both the President and the Vice-President were both killed at the same time. Or, I suppose, if the new president were to die/leave office before naming a new VP.

Everyone knows that the only role of a VP is to be a tiebreaker.

Only formal role. The office itself holds a great deal of influence and sway, given the correct circumstances and the correct occupant.

Also, I really have to wonder... Has it occured to anyone who is screeching about her remark about 'not knowing' what the VP does that, in the time since she said that, someone may have told her? I mean, you know, just as a courtesy, before they offered her the job, and all.

I mean, I don't like her views, her party, or her running mate, but let's have THAT be the reason why people aren't thrilled with her name being on the ticket, rather than a throw away remark. K?

[hi-C]

The office itself holds a great deal of influence and sway, given the correct circumstances and the correct occupant.

True. As evidenced by Dick Cheney.

[andrewexd]

Well. Ok. Everyone's all up in arms because she wondered what a VP actually does. Does anyone actually know what a VP really does?
And, no, she won't get impeached. They didn't impeach Clinton for lying on national TV, did they? Bush is still in office, right? Nah, it won't happen. Plus, it means that people over in Washington would actually have to do something. God forbid.
And Diddy is dumb. Just...ugh.

actually clinton did get impeached, he was reinstated but still impeached. I hear palin might be dropped as VP although i doubt it because that would make mccains chances to win 0%. Sarah "I have a vagina" Palin is a gimmick. If any hilary voters vote for mccain because of Palin go ahead. Hilary clinton and palin are complete opposites on their policies. So if you do vote opposite either your infatuated at the thought of a woman VP, you know nothing about hilary, you never cared about policies, or your just stupid.

[hi-C]

actually clinton did get impeached, he was reinstated but still impeached.

Actually, it's more like he got impeached but was ultimately acquitted, not "reinstated." "Reinstated" implies that he lost the position of president, which, in fact, he did not. Impeaching someone is like taking them to trial or court-martialing. In essence, your that statement was correct, it just needed some fine-tuning.

And I completely agree with you.

[Ington]

Palin is inexperienced, but would be a vice president.
Obama is inexperienced, but would be a president.

And you don't have to be from a huge city to be able to make a difference.

Obama is a great speaker, but that's all he is. A great speaker. His 'change' is purely idealistic and groundless, and it's amazing that so few of you realize that his proposals are full of shit.

[salcha4u]

^ I kind of agree. No matter how much he expects change, he's not going to get all of it. Everyone buys it though. Hi Ariel.

Haha he took a swipe at Palin, cause ooooh he ran a CAMPAIGN.

[andrewexd]

of course obama can't do everything he says. That's what a campaign runs on, ideals. John mccain has none. I have no clue as to what john mccain is going to do differently than bush. His entire campaign is based on being a prisoner of war. I was watching the RNC and that's all they talked about being a maverick. That's his (and fox news') only reply for everything. Obama can't make all the changes but at least he can try. its better than a man who knows nothing about the conomy ("I wish interest rates were 0%") and is war obsessed, has had mutiple stints with cancer and is bound to invade iran.

[only-tuesdays]

I find it kind of ironic that Palin's seventeen year old daughter is pregnant and marrying her baby daddy. Palin, a strong abstinence only sex ed supporter.

[salcha4u]

Well, he did lose a lot of voters after FISA....

[Ington]

I find it kind of ironic that Palin's seventeen year old daughter is pregnant and marrying her baby daddy. Palin, a strong abstinence only sex ed supporter.

Which means that she would be against abortion, not against pregnancy.

And ideals are nice, but they're ideals. So far the only thing that Obama has been 'trying' to do is to spout his ideals to everyone. I want someone who can do something, not someone who can try. This isn't daycamp.

[vehvih]

I really pity kids who would resort marriage just because the chick got preggy (not that I know that Palin's daughter resorted to that because of pregnancy, but in general, yeah).

It usually doesn't work, trust me, I've seen it all the damn time.

If anyone reading please consider the following before children get hurt when raised:

- Building a family DOES require some credentials whether you like it or not. Building a relationship(/marriage) requires commitment, great ass commitment. If you were to have a child at any young age I promise you it will be HARD to build and balance three main things you will encounter ALL AT THE SAME TIME: Marriage, credential AND MORE IMPORTANTLY your child's future.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

I know because my mom's a victim of it, and I have five nieces. My first niece is when I was idk 10? And she was only 16. I don't think you wanna know the rest of the stories.

[hi-C]

^ ... what does that contribute the the conversation at hand?

Which means that she would be against abortion, not against pregnancy.

The original poster, at least it seems to me, wasn't overtly critiquing Palin's pro-life stance.

And ideals are nice, but they're ideals. So far the only thing that Obama has been 'trying' to do is to spout his ideals to everyone. I want someone who can do something, not someone who can try. This isn't daycamp.

Firstly, what exactly does John McCain "doing"? What does he have that differs from an "ideology"?

Secondly, the president is becoming, increasingly, a figurehead. It's the legislature's job to write and pass laws, the president just puts them into play, either signing them into law or vetoing them. And he, whoever he is, going to have a whole joint chiefs of staff and cabinet to have the same ideas that he does to make sure he does what he says he's going to do. You know, system of checks and balances. (Which is the reason why I don't have a problem with an "inexperienced" president.) And, as a someone who's against the war(s), who's intensely pro-choice, who wants to see investment into alternative forms of energy, who doesn't want to see offshore drilling, etc, I'd rather have that set of ideals guide the country.

And before anyone dismisses this me as another Obama fangirl, please know that in the primaries, my favorites were Ron Paul, Joe Biden, and Bill Richardson. I only came around to Obama as kind of a last resort.

Wait... I remember your screename from ages ago...

[andrewexd]

Which means that she would be against abortion, not against pregnancy.

And ideals are nice, but they're ideals. So far the only thing that Obama has been 'trying' to do is to spout his ideals to everyone. I want someone who can do something, not someone who can try. This isn't daycamp.

What are you talking about ? Please tell me one president who has done everything he's promised to do. No one. Of course He's trying to sell his ideas so he can eventually pursue them. He's not the president yet! He can't do anything right now except for voting in the senate. The presidential campaign is to sell yourself to the public that you should be the one making decisions. By your logic we shouldn't care who becomes president nor should we vote becuase nothing is ever going to change. just answer this, should we elect john mccain or obama and why ? I undertsand why people are skeptical of obamas change speeches becuase bush leaves us a screwed up economy and country. Its mind boggling how anyone can handle 9 trillion dollars of debt.

About palins daughter... not much to say. She got knocked up and is getting married. The funny thing is mccain ran that paris hilton/ britney spears ad. I bet her new nick name is jamie lynn spears.

[KryMeARiver]

of course obama can't do everything he says. That's what a campaign runs on, ideals. John mccain has none.

HOPE
CHANGE
YES WE CAN

That's all I've been hearing from Obama.

I don't like McCain either, but please don't pretend that Obama is any different.

[andrewexd]

HOPE
CHANGE
YES WE CAN

That's all I've been hearing from Obama.

I don't like McCain either, but please don't pretend that Obama is any different.

LOL you know none of their polices and you think you can say they're the same ? Do you know what left and right is ?

[KryMeARiver]

LOL you know none of their polices and you think you can say they're the same ? Do you know what left and right is ?

I know what wrong and right is. Nice reading comprehension by the way.

They're both shit. Obama doesn't know the difference between income tax and capital gains tax, he calls children a punishment, claims there are 57 states and chose a VP candidate who plagiarizes speeches and makes racist comments about Indians.

[Rogue_Ewok]

he calls children a punishment

Children are a punishment to a young girl unable to care for them and live her own life.

claims there are 57 states

This was during the exhausting primary season, he mispoke. He doesnt seriously claim that there are 57 states and if you think he did you are just ignorant.

and chose a VP candidate who plagiarizes speeches

Do you even know that story? Biden had given that speech before, and has always cited the quote that he used. He forgot to cit it just one. I guess since republicans dont really have anything bad to say they have to jump on trivial stupid crapp like this.

[andrewexd]

I know what wrong and right is. Nice reading comprehension by the way.

They're both shit. Obama doesn't know the difference between income tax and capital gains tax, he calls children a punishment, claims there are 57 states and chose a VP candidate who plagiarizes speeches and makes racist comments about Indians.

Ok now were talking about stpid shit. Mccain think 0% interest is good. Wants to stay in iraq for 100 years. Chated on his wife after she gained weight from being in the hospital for 6 months. He's going to leave us with sarah palin if he's sick (and he's been sick a lot) who has foreign experience being next to russia (fox). Cnat read off a teleprompter. Steals obamas line ("that's not change we can rely on" or something like it) crahsed like 5 planes in vietnam and thinks you have to make 4 million a year to be "rich". Has voted with bush 90% of the time. Gets played by paris hilton. Wears 520 dollar ferragamo shoes (they were ugly).

Everyone says stupid things, has policies we don't agree with. So ? One of them is going to be president, pick one. Or vote for an independent who won't win and cry about it later.

Edit : every presidential election is shit becuase we get offered two parties. Pepsi or coke ? (I better credit ventura for that analogy or I might get caught for plagerism LOL). That's what america offers us. Its obviously not the greatest system because no minorities ever have a chance at president.

[KryMeARiver]

Ok now were talking about stpid shit. Mccain think 0% interest is good. Wants to stay in iraq for 100 years. Chated on his wife after she gained weight from being in the hospital for 6 months. He's going to leave us with sarah palin if he's sick (and he's been sick a lot) who has foreign experience being next to russia (fox). Cnat read off a teleprompter. Steals obamas line ("that's not change we can rely on" or something like it) crahsed like 5 planes in vietnam and thinks you have to make 4 million a year to be "rich". Has voted with bush 90% of the time. Gets played by paris hilton. Wears 520 dollar ferragamo shoes (they were ugly).

Everyone says stupid things, has policies we don't agree with. So ? One of them is going to be president, pick one. Or vote for an independent who won't win and cry about it later.

lol I love how the automatic defense is "MCCAIN DID THIS OR THAT"

I already said I don't like McCain either. You don't need to convince me on that one. What you need to do is convince me why Obama isn't a turd bag. So instead of compensating for your shitty candidate of choice with ad hominem attacks, how about trying to defend what he stands for?

Children are a punishment to a young girl unable to care for them and live her own life.

Because the majority of abortions are asked for by young girls right?

Wrong.

Perhaps young girls shouldn't be having sex if they aren't ready for pregnancy.

I suppose you're going to bring up rape huh. Why is the baby considered a punishment, but not the rape? How out of touch with reality are you if you're villifying an innocent baby as a punishment first, but not the rapist?

Obama doesn't even want late term abortions, when the barbaric practice of partial birth abortion (pulling out the baby, smashing its head open, then sucking its head out with a vacuum) takes place.

Obama has very extreme views on abortion. His "punishment" answer to the question (which was him dodging the question of when does life begin rather than an answer) reflects this extreme view.

This was during the exhausting primary season, he mispoke. He doesnt seriously claim that there are 57 states and if you think he did you are just ignorant.

I hope you have this same view when McCain misspeaks.

Do you even know that story? Biden had given that speech before, and has always cited the quote that he used. He forgot to cit it just one.

Which is still plagiarism...

I guess since republicans dont really have anything bad to say they have to jump on trivial stupid crapp like this.

#1, I'm not a republican, and I'm not voting McCain. Nice job assuming. #2 nice job skipping my first criticism and claiming I have nothing to say.

But while we're pointing fingers, it's awesome how since the liberals don't have dirt on Palin, they go after her daughter.