DEADLINE: August 17th Options

[rnicron]

how so? i'm not held up to the same standards.

[Simba]

Thomas and Nate also didn't say anything about KC. They were reacting to the situation a month or so back when people were saying that no one should win SMOTM. It wasn't a comment about KC specifically, it was about the members in general and while I admit it was unwarranted, I still understand why Dee said what she did.

lol, so what if what Nate said wasn't specific to KC. You still don't say that no staff members aren't member bashing backstage. There's 6 screen shots on Nate bashing. That's at least six instances where Dee should've stepped back and maybe thought about things, or at least try to talk to KC. You don't go around acting like everything is under control.

Demoted from staff is slightly different from a 10% warning level increase. =\

Everything Nate did should add up to more than 20%, and at that point, he shouldn't even get to be an Official Member.

[libertie]

Bottom line, and Rebecca, feel free to step in here and say otherwise - Nothing is going to happen to Dee. I just don't feel like she's done anything to merit a demotion.

I'm trying really hard to be understanding here, so I apologize if I come off as snippy.

[Simba]

I'll IM you.



In the meanwhile, who's NEXT?

[Tung]

i want to move to long beach.

[Simba]

Go make your Cathy Nguyen club, Tung. -__-

[Insurmountable]

I don't understand why Dee's name was brought up, I mean I'll agree about the language day thing that she could have handeled it a bit better but for the record it was the first big thing that she had to deal with as a admin. And overall I think she did fine.

As for that post, personally I didn't even see Nate's posts that were screen shot of in the topic you made a while back. And of course someone should have said something to him about it if someone had caught it, but of course she had no knowledge of it from what I would figure from her post.


Oh also, I saw a post on the other page that there was a probation period that wasn't discussed? Yea, that isn't true at all. We all discussed the probation periods and the admins even PMed the people that were on their probation periods and talked to them and discussed with them what they needed to work on. No one needed to be removed from staff at that point and I don't think we made a bad choice by keeping any of them.

[Simba]

Welcome back, Holly!

[Simba]

Ok, we've figured things out with Dee and Nate. *more waiting ensues*



So, we all know who's last up, yeah?

[hi-res]

I'm not going pretend I'm update-to-date with what's going on here, BUT:

Did anyone say anything at all about Nate remarks? You know, like, "dude...chill out with that" or something?

Back when the whole member bashing drama broke out about staffies talking shit backstage, almost every one on staff after that made a effort to avoid member bashing or anything that could be precieved as member bashing backstage. People on staff kindly verbally warned each other all the time when someone was coming close to crossing the line. Does this not happen anymore?

This is nothing against anyone on staff, just asking.

[Simba]

You got a really cool avatar, Kiera.

[Insurmountable]

Where are the screen shots, if I could notice the dates or something I could tell ya.

I don't know, I'm pretty anal about people not talking about others in a negative manner backstage and I usually quote it post it in the topic after them.

And of course the last time I remember doing this was when Trish was on staff, so I haven't seen anyone talk about others unless it was for hiring reasons.

[Tung]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=207367


http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6277/neanderthalud9.jpg

[Insurmountable]

Op, thank you. I was looking in all the other topics AC has made XD


PS - what day were these taken?

[rnicron]

Oh also, I saw a post on the other page that there was a probation period that wasn't discussed? Yea, that isn't true at all. We all discussed the probation periods and the admins even PMed the people that were on their probation periods and talked to them and discussed with them what they needed to work on. No one needed to be removed from staff at that point and I don't think we made a bad choice by keeping any of them.

...and why couldn't that have been said the 23346457 times it was asked about?

[Simba]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=207367
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6277/neanderthalud9.jpg

[Insurmountable]

...and why couldn't that have been said the 23346457 times it was asked about?

Good question, because I wouldn't know the answer. Perhaps they didn't feel like it should have been a huge community announcement?

[Simba]

Good question, because I wouldn't know the answer. Perhaps they didn't feel like it should have been a huge community announcement?

Ha ha, but shouldn't the people who were asking about it at least get to know?

[Insurmountable]

Yea, I mean I won't disagree that if you guys were asking about it then it should have been answered. Although I don't agree that you guys should have been told if you were all bitter about it from the beginning.

Like for instance, I remember you guys were all over Natalia's ass when she was hired and said she didn't do anything, etc, etc... but of course we discussed things with her and she made a huge effort to get through the queue training and now I'd say shes a great design staff and I'm happy we didn't get rid of her. Yet of course I got the vibe from the community that you guys would have been mad at us if we told you that we weren't getting rid of anyone and we would have had to hear the endless arguments from you guys I suppose is how I could put it o_O

oh and thanks for the welcome, I see you've been a very busy bee the past while AC. It took me the longest to read all of yours :]

[Insurmountable]

Okay, from the looks of it a lot of the times it seems that Nate's posts were screen shoted from is when we were discussing punishments for members and yes of course some times he shouldn't have added the rude comments about the members but left it strictly to what he thought was a fair punishment and moved on.


So no, Kiera, from what I saw no one told him not to talk about members.


sorry double post

[brooklyneast05]

i asked about probation a few times, but i was never all up on natalie, or anyone else i don't believe, to get off staff. i just wanted to know if it was ever followed through

it's ok that no one really ever told me though, it's been forever since a month on staff for them passed.

[libertie]

To respond to Kiera's post, things backstage really have gotten a LOT better. I remember back when I first got on staff, talking about members backstage was a common occurrence, and there was a point when we all decided not to let that happen anymore. It took a while, but I think we've finally gotten there. It really is a much better place now, and I'm sorry that this one incident has tainted our reputation yet again.

Needless to say, when Nate made that post, it did seem out of the ordinary. I'm sorry it's taking so long to do anything about it, but I want everyone to understand that it hasn't been ignored.

[Insurmountable]

I agree with Dani, backstage has changed a lot since like I got put on staff the first time around. I remember back in the day people use to just come out of no where and let out their frustration backstage. But I mean backstage is pretty calm and better we discuss things on how to make cB a better place and what things should be fixed and etc.

[Simba]

Post proof!

[Tung]

Like for instance, I remember you guys were all over Natalia's ass when she was hired and said she didn't do anything, etc, etc... but of course we discussed things with her and she made a huge effort to get through the queue training and now I'd say shes a great design staff and I'm happy we didn't get rid of her.

Yup. When Natalia was first hired, I was confused. But now, I think she's a good design staff. In fact me and her are cool now, as surprising as that may seem. But yeah. The part I bolded is the difference between Nate and Natalia. 3 months ago when I called him out, I said maybe give him another month to see if he'll improve and try and more effort. But a month later he still didn't. So then I called him out again 2 months ago, and still nothing happened, and I was going to WAIT again and give him another chance to try harder and put more effort. Three months and same stuff.

That's the difference. Natalia tried and succeed, as oppose to Nate. He didn't. He's activity is still low, like was stated 3 months ago.

I have nothing against Nate, even though those screenshots that I read when I found out were mostly directed at me, I don't take offense to it at all. I'm not one to say who should be demoted or not. I leave that to Upper Staff, because I believe in you guys Staff to make the right decision.