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 Apr 15 2008, 01:09 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune...  Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272  |
QUOTE(Heathasm @ Apr 15 2008, 01:05 PM)  fae, i wish people could just leave those comments alone that could stir up drama or are completely irrelevant, but that is just not going to happpen here. and when you have alot of people doing this there is a problem that needs to be fixed somehow. so..i dont think we need to just leave the debate forum alone it needs some kind of change, just to see how it works! Well, I do see the benefits of tesing it out, but my views on it is the same (tho, I admit to having the same views as all of you when I was a moderator... I remember being so annoyed). People are the same everywhere, not just the debate forum =( Oops gotta work......... holy crap I'm behind. |
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Apr 15 2008, 01:35 PM
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 ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,309 Joined: Nov 2004 Member No: 65,593 |
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 15 2008, 11:09 AM) People are the same everywhere, not just the debate forum =( Oops gotta work......... holy crap I'm behind. Exactly what I said earlier. Debate isn't the only forum that this kind of shit happens. Other forums as well like I said, such as Relationship and Pictures, etc. If you guys are wanting to change Debate, might as well get a change with the other forums as well. |
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Apr 15 2008, 01:59 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
^ Yes, that makes sense.
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Apr 15 2008, 05:36 PM
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 This bag is not a toy. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 3,090 Joined: Oct 2007 Member No: 583,108 |
The reason I suggested what I did was because I'm so adamantly opposed to censorship and exclusivity in the debate forum. I feel like I've explained my point and the general consensus is that it's not needed and that additional staffing for that forum would be overkill. I'm okay with that, but I wanted to try to reach a compromise without making the forum exclusive to only a few applicants.
What has happened is that in writing our community guidelines, we've overlooked a few forums that need specific attention, such as debate and the advice forums (Relationships, locker rooms). I think we need to spend a little more time on this and set up a more defined plan (a set of forum-specific rules) that at least moves us in the direction of intelligent conversation without immature bashing. After all, the debate forum is for more serious discussion and should be more strict on pointless posts that derail topics. And at that point, it will have to be looked upon more closely. If not by additional staff, then our people staff will have to give the forum extra attention to make sure that nobody is impeding discussion. |
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Apr 15 2008, 07:16 PM
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 in the reverb chamber. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,022 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 300,308 |
QUOTE(heartquasm @ Apr 15 2008, 09:16 AM) I still think that the forum should be open for the general public to post in (without having to ask permission first) because a lot of times, people do have something to say, but if they see that they have to request permission, then wait for a mod to give them posting rights, etc. before they can state their opinion, they'll say "forget it" and leave. I personally feel like you'll be losing a lot of potential participants that way. Many times, people just want to jump in a topic, state their opinion, then leave instead of fully investing themselves in an online debate that really wont go anywhere good. 1. If someone doesn't have the drive or patience to simply ask for posting privileges in debate, they're probably not someone we would want in debate. 2. The debate forum isn't about merely stating an opinion. You are expected to actually argue a point. 3. If we hope to increase the quality of posting in the debate thread, these are methods that are tried and trusted - they work. They will help to weed out non-serious participants, and, also help a focus in moderation. QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 15 2008, 10:54 AM) Yes, that will mean seeing a lot of idiots and mean people posting, but even then, those people deserve to have an opinion. It is your job as a person who wants to debate (you're in the topic aren't you?) to shoot down those opinions, or simply to prove them wrong. I've been proven wrong many times (Michael, Kyro, and Minda...etc) and learned a lot (Justin, Nate... etc). Being wrong or right and learning something you didn't know before is all part of a debate. So, why limit these things? The plan I've put forth is not about censorship. But, you must further understand, that the debate forum is not about the mere statement of ideas or opinion - it is about actually argumentation. No everyone deserves to have an opinion, but even if we all did, that doesn't mean that we should be posting them where they aren't useful. In fact, the mere posting of an opinion is one of the largest issues the debate threads have. People drive-in, drop an idea, and leave - never to return and never to support or defend their ideas. This details conversation and hurts the natural flow of debate. Most of these people won't learn anything, because they'll never go back to see what anyone said about their ideas. These people clearly have no concern for proper argumentation or the principles of debate - why should we be concerned about their thoughts and feelings, when discussing the future of the debate forums? If you want to learn something, increase the quality of the debate forums - make it exclusive. QUOTE(mipadi @ Apr 15 2008, 11:29 AM) "Reddit: Philosophy" where people post articles about philosophy. Wow, I had no idea. I'm going back to Reddit. "TAZZER TSASASRE TASER TEASRE RON PAUL TASER! PLATO SOCRATES TASRE!" |
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Apr 15 2008, 08:56 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Administrator Posts: 2,648 Joined: Apr 2008 Member No: 639,265 |
QUOTE(NoSex @ Apr 15 2008, 08:16 PM) Wow, I had no idea. I'm going back to Reddit. "TAZZER TSASASRE TASER TEASRE RON PAUL TASER! PLATO SOCRATES TASRE!" Reddit Philosophy (Because sometimes searching through the subreddits page is really, really insanely time-consuming.) |
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Apr 15 2008, 11:15 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(NoSex @ Apr 15 2008, 07:16 PM) 1. If someone doesn't have the drive or patience to simply ask for posting privileges in debate, they're probably not someone we would want in debate. 2. The debate forum isn't about merely stating an opinion. You are expected to actually argue a point. 3. If we hope to increase the quality of posting in the debate thread, these are methods that are tried and trusted - they work. They will help to weed out non-serious participants, and, also help a focus in moderation. The plan I've put forth is not about censorship. But, you must further understand, that the debate forum is not about the mere statement of ideas or opinion - it is about actually argumentation. No everyone deserves to have an opinion, but even if we all did, that doesn't mean that we should be posting them where they aren't useful. In fact, the mere posting of an opinion is one of the largest issues the debate threads have. People drive-in, drop an idea, and leave - never to return and never to support or defend their ideas. This details conversation and hurts the natural flow of debate. Most of these people won't learn anything, because they'll never go back to see what anyone said about their ideas. These people clearly have no concern for proper argumentation or the principles of debate - why should we be concerned about their thoughts and feelings, when discussing the future of the debate forums? Any debate begins with someone's opinions and ideas about an event or, in the case of religion, a fervent belief in something supposedly factual. Argumentation involves a person's opinions (with evidence to back up those opinions). Now, whether or not they're useful is up to each debator to decide. Those who drop in and disappear are of no concern. You get to refute their claims and they lose the argument. I do not see how that is an issue worthy of annoyance (anymore). It's their loss, or do you see this as your loss somehow? The natural flow of debate will flow when people focus to the debate instead of getting sidetracked by petty differences. If someone said something stupid, we usually tell them that they're being silly and go right back to the topic at hand a page or two later. Most of the time, I see you guys ignoring them anyway. Where's the real hurt? At least, the get to have their say and when they're shot down, they'll learn something new. Trust me. People may pretend they don't agree with you because of pride or something, but if you have logic on the side, they'll (secretly) respect you for it. If you guys are so strict on structure and fundamental debate rules, though the debate forum will be "intelligent", it will be down right boring with a bunch of stuck up people thinking they're gods for even being able to post in there. Just my opinions here. PS I have'nt actually looked at your plans yet Nate.. will do so now. |
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Apr 24 2008, 06:31 PM
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٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,309 Joined: Nov 2004 Member No: 65,593 |
I think it's stupid how you guys complain about the debate forum being stupid, when I rarely see anyone go in there and posts. I mean there's some really good debate topics in there recently, and it barely has any replies. So I don't get the whole let's make it exclusive and limit certain members. You guys really want 5 people posting down to 2-3 only? f**k outta here.
I'm actually sad that not many people have replied in the recent debate topics made. I mean Radhika (topic starter) I don't even see you post in debate so why are you even talking? |
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Apr 24 2008, 08:09 PM
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 i did your boyfriend Group: Official Designer Posts: 3,335 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,071 |
^Haha I have to agree with that.
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Apr 24 2008, 09:57 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Posts: 8,274 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,001 |
One of the main problems about people is the lack of debate skills. Debate is an intellectual art of war. Every individual has its own style of logic appeals. It's all about making proper analysis, reasonable claims, analytical reasons, warrants, and more. Unfortunately, many people failed to see it. People mistook debate as a playground in favor of irrational arguments, lack of real reasons, and fallacies.
People need to get this straight, DEBATE IS NOT BITCHING. If we could make the debate forum, we should provide educational guidelines of proper debating. QUOTE "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth, and every other man has a right to knock him down for it. Martyrdom is the test." - Samuel Johnson well, not every man knows how to present their arguments and beliefs. that's the problem. |
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Apr 24 2008, 10:01 PM
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٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,309 Joined: Nov 2004 Member No: 65,593 |
Everyone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.
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Apr 24 2008, 10:06 PM
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 yo yo yiggidy yo. Group: Official Member Posts: 1,606 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 108,591 |
QUOTE(Tungster @ Apr 24 2008, 11:01 PM) Everyone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege. i love that quote. 
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Jun 22 2008, 07:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Administrator Posts: 2,648 Joined: Apr 2008 Member No: 639,265 |
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 15 2008, 12:42 PM) =D let CB beta it. Reddit is now open source, so maybe I'll play around with the idea... |
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Jun 22 2008, 10:56 PM
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 Count Splek, Charming Fiend! Group: Member Posts: 333 Joined: Jun 2008 Member No: 658,428 |
i hate the debate topic, thus the reason why i hardly ever go in it at all...
i dont like talking about my religion... i can hang with an atheist as long as we never talk about ether one of our thoughts of it... one of my best MySpace friends is atheist, his name is Alex, he is the Alex goth kid from South Park... with the Goth Kids... i think all topics about religion should be illegal... they're just wrong... |
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Jun 23 2008, 09:19 AM
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 I'm Jc Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 |
QUOTE(Splek @ Jun 22 2008, 10:56 PM) i hate the debate topic, thus the reason why i hardly ever go in it at all... i dont like talking about my religion... i can hang with an atheist as long as we never talk about ether one of our thoughts of it... one of my best MySpace friends is atheist, his name is Alex, he is the Alex goth kid from South Park... with the Goth Kids... i think all topics about religion should be illegal... they're just wrong... so |
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Jun 23 2008, 09:20 AM
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 Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,020 Joined: May 2008 Member No: 653,768 |
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jun 23 2008, 09:19 AM) so Don't mind him, he's the new forum retard. |
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Jun 23 2008, 09:36 AM
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 James killed the radio star. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 2,095 Joined: Nov 2007 Member No: 589,855 |
^ Steven, this is the second time I've seen you bash on Splek today, and as such I'm raising your warn level 10%.
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Jun 23 2008, 09:40 AM
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Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,020 Joined: May 2008 Member No: 653,768 |
I labeled him, not bashed him. Besides, it's not bashing if it's true. Can anyone here disprove that statement?
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Jun 23 2008, 10:06 AM
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 Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 1,288 Joined: Oct 2007 Member No: 585,380 |
QUOTE(steven @ Jun 23 2008, 10:40 AM) I labeled him, not bashed him. Besides, it's not bashing if it's true. Can anyone here disprove that statement? Not trying to be off topic OR "bash" splek. But steven is true... |
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Jun 23 2008, 10:09 AM
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 ;) Group: Duplicate Posts: 2,374 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,760 |
i hate the Splek's posts, thus the reason why i hardly ever read what he writes...
i dont like Splek very much... i can endure his existence so long as we never talk... i think everything Splek posts should be illegal... they're just stupid... |
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Jun 23 2008, 10:16 AM
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Count Splek, Charming Fiend! Group: Member Posts: 333 Joined: Jun 2008 Member No: 658,428 |
I dont really do anything to you people, why do some of you hate me? is it because i like to speak my mind every once in a while?
i like reason and understanding... |
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Jun 23 2008, 10:26 AM
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Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,020 Joined: May 2008 Member No: 653,768 |
It's because you are socially retarded. Cockiness + Social Retardation do not mix very well.
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Jun 23 2008, 10:28 AM
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 Tick tock, Bill Group: Administrator Posts: 8,764 Joined: Dec 2005 Member No: 333,948 |
^ post deleted, per request
QUOTE(Splek @ Jun 22 2008, 10:56 PM) i hate the debate topic, thus the reason why i hardly ever go in it at all... i dont like talking about my religion... i can hang with an atheist as long as we never talk about ether one of our thoughts of it... one of my best MySpace friends is atheist, his name is Alex, he is the Alex goth kid from South Park... with the Goth Kids... i think all topics about religion should be illegal... they're just wrong... I don't think that what you are saying is very relevant to what the OP is referring to. What you are talking about is personal preference. You don't have to go into the Debate forums, you don't have to participate in discussions that you do not wish to engage in. There is nothing wrong with talking about religion, if you can handle it. Many people cannot, since for some, it's a challenge to separate objective thought from emotional based responses. That isn't me jumping on your case, I am merely trying to appeal to what is hopefully, your reasonable thought processes. =) |
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Jun 23 2008, 10:31 AM
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Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,020 Joined: May 2008 Member No: 653,768 |
QUOTE(superstitious @ Jun 23 2008, 10:28 AM) ^ post deleted, per request I don't think that what you are saying is very relevant to what the OP is referring to. What you are talking about is personal preference. You don't have to go into the Debate forums, you don't have to participate in discussions that you do not wish to engage in. There is nothing wrong with talking about religion, if you can handle it. Many people cannot, since for some, it's a challenge to separate objective thought from emotional based responses. That isn't me jumping on your case, I am merely trying to appeal to what is hopefully, your reasonable thought processes. =) quEEEEEEEEEEN BITCH |
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Jun 23 2008, 10:33 AM
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Tick tock, Bill Group: Administrator Posts: 8,764 Joined: Dec 2005 Member No: 333,948 |
QUOTE(steven @ Jun 23 2008, 10:31 AM) quEEEEEEEEEEN BITCH Oh hush, you love it. /sorry spam xD |
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