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[Just_Dream]

Anyone else remember Trish coming into the chat saying that Roxanne jocked her portfolio layout? LMAO.

Yea I was there. Then she said something like "I don't want to call Roxanne out on it, but the concept is the same, even though she has a different vector" blah blah blah. But she made it into a big deal.

And just in case anyone missed this on the last page:

like i said, ideally she should have credited them for inspiration. this whole fiasco could have been avoided had she credited them.

the concept isnt original from the get go, and deserves no "credit."

What we're trying to say is that she SHOULD have given credit, but she said that it deserves no credit. WTF. Of course it deserves credit, Even if it's "inspiration."

[rnicron]

Everyone already knows that Trish is a hypocrite. She also lies out the ass. Do you want her to admit it or something? You know she won't; she'd rather us speculate and send out other staff to defend her while she bitches about it Backstage.

[Just_Dream]

Everyone already knows that Trish is a hypocrite. She also lies out the ass. Do you want her to admit it or something? You know she won't; she'd rather us speculate and send out other staff to defend her while she bitches about it Backstage.

Sorry, I must have high expectations for a Head Staff moderator, let alone a People Staff moderator, to at least respond a few times to feedback regarding them.

[superstitious]

Ok, so in an attempt to make this objective, where is the line drawn between "inspiration" and overall concept emulation? Meaning, at what point does credit become necessary? I'm not talking about things that are obvious, like using someone's DA image. I'm talking about complete or even a quasi redo of someone else's design concept. Do you credit them even if you believe that concept has existed before?

[rnicron]

She used almost exactly the same images. The dirt brown part that was used for the background of the blog was identical and the buildings looked exactly the same. It doesn't matter if it existed before, it was damn near the same thing.

[Just_Dream]

She used almost exactly the same images. The dirt brown part that was used for the background of the blog was identical and the buildings looked exactly the same. It doesn't matter if it existed before, it was damn near the same thing.

Meaning the outline/shapes are different, but the patters are the same. Also, just because this is brought up, she takes the layout down? That makes no sense. If it's been "beaten to death" and she's oh so right, then she shouldn't have taken it down.

[rnicron]

It'd be nice if she wouldn't have just ran and deleted it right as the topic surfaced, but I guess she's good at that. It's her defense, just like avoiding things is.

Damnit, Christina edited with what I said.

[superstitious]

Ok guys, I get that you don't agree with the way she has (or hasn't) handled this. I'd really like to see some feedback regarding the use of design concepts (including similar image concepts) and how far it should go, in your (public) opinion before needing permission and/or credit.

[Tung]

Ok guys, I get that you don't agree with the way she has (or hasn't) handled this. I'd really like to see some feedback regarding the use of design concepts (including similar image concepts) and how far it should go, in your (public) opinion before needing permission and/or credit.

I've taken a closer look at the dirt, and it's EXACTLY the same. Micron said it's original, but it isn't. She reversed the original dirt image around. Also here's a close up of how they are exactly the same for proof. Take a close look at the shape of the DARK BROWN parts and they match up nicely. Trish version I didn't have a nice quality of it, so it's a little blurry but you can easily tell they are the same image. So that's why I think crediting 10volt was necessary.

Trish's

10Volt



Game over.

[superstitious]

Ok, so obviously using the same image is call for credit.

[Teesa]

and to a degree, it should just be common sense for the designer to know when something should be credited.

[rnicron]

^Especially with the jobs she does. She should know better.

[Just_Dream]

Look at the menu, the black bar separating the top image and the body. What a coincidence that there's a menu on both.


And I don't think "coding" should be involved. cB profile needs a unique kind of coding to make everything work. Of course you can't just copy that from Volt. That's why coding should not matter, as we're discussing how the way the layout is arranged and copied visually.

[libertie]

Eh, I hate to say it but you're right that if you look at both pictures specifically at the dirt, that part is seriously exactly the same just flipped. Too similar to be a coincidence. =(

[rnicron]

Too similar to not have a consequence...

[synatribe]

I've taken a closer look at the dirt, and it's EXACTLY the same. Micron said it's original, but it isn't. She reversed the original dirt image around. Also here's a close up of how they are exactly the same for proof. Take a close look at the shape of the DARK BROWN parts and they match up nicely. Trish version I didn't have a nice quality of it, so it's a little blurry but you can easily tell they are the same image. So that's why I think crediting 10volt was necessary.

Trish's

10Volt

Game over.

^^ agreed, but if trish loses her status on staff wont that only make situations more difficult behind the scenes? because isnt she really involoved with createblog and micron?

[rnicron]

^That shouldn't be the focus of it.

[Tung]

I don't think she's involved with micron. Micron has a girlfriend or wife in real life I think.

[Just_Dream]

^^ agreed, but if trish loses her status on staff wont that only make situations more difficult behind the scenes? because isnt she really involoved with createblog and micron?

Even if she loses her status on staff, she'll still secretly be a mentor again, and we might see her back on staff 5/6 days later. Good call, Tung. And also, the menu as well!

And even if she was involved, I don't think she should get special privileges just because of that.

Yea well, things don't always work out that way.

[venti-anemoi]

And even if she was involved, I don't think she should get special privileges just because of that.

[libertie]

Well, the big shining difference here would be that this is not a layout that is being distributed here. If it was, that would pose a big problem and have the potential of getting CB in trouble. That was the issue with Mike.

This was a layout used for her personal profile, and while I still don't agree with the concept of using another person's work without permission even for personal use; I do have to make the argument that this is not the same situation as when Mike was under question.

edit; Also, I'm not trying to say that anything or nothing will happen. I'm just adding to the discussion at this point, so don't take my word as being final.

[synatribe]

I don't think she's involved with micron. Micron has a girlfriend or wife in real life I think.

lol no I meant dosent she work with him. lol ,but its already been anserwed :]

[Tung]

lol no I meant dosent she work with him. lol ,but its already been anserwed :]

Ohh sorry me. I thought you meant they were involved like relationship-wise involved. *smacks head*

Anyways, EVERYONE on staff works with micron to make this site better and run smoothly I guess, not just her.

[Just_Dream]

Sorry to bring in the negative point in this "oh so almost cleared up" mess..

But Trish did have the layout submitted to createblog, how else would the picture quoted in the first post of this topic be from cbimgs? anyway, she did distribute the layout on here, is all that I'm saying, even look here: http://zgrazier.createblog.com/ This person still has the CSS but no imgs.

*excuse my comment on their layout, I wasn't informed of the 10voltmedia at that point.

Oh yea. Even Trish left the whole "designed by pandora" and commented with "the credits are located in the footer html. the comments specifically say not to remove this." Obviously it must've been submitted. Good call, Thomas.

[libertie]

Hmm, I guess because I couldn't find it I didn't realize it had once been submitted.

Why was it rejected?

edit; nvm I see now. Yup.