If Hillary Clinton Become President... Options

[rnicron]

No, actually Tama, you sound like a complete retard.

You have no source of where this money is coming from. It can't be FREE if it comes from profit.

[Elba]

You can't be serious, man. Seriously?... are you being serious or are you purposely actin this way?

From what I have read, I think she is asking how anyone would make profits if no one is paying for anything.

[illriginal]

No, actually Tama, you sound like a complete retard.

You have no source of where this money is coming from. It can't be FREE if it comes from profit.

Holy shit... please take a look at Capitalism that's in our country. And realize EVERY single f**kin business makes profits. You stupid stupid stupid human f**k. Specially from our own resources... stupid shit.

Spencer, don't get into threads or discussions you have no f**kin clue about, just sit there and try to sit cute and learn something. Instead of instigating shit.

[rnicron]

If every business makes profit, and that profit goes towards health care, tell me how that's FREE.

edit: Way to add onto your post and not even reply. You have no clue what you're talking about. I brought up questions, not instigating motives. Shut up, or reply to things that you brought up yourself.

[Elba]

I am very offended. We are not stupid f**ks

[Elba]

Universal health care is free?...Tama, what are you talking about? You love Castro, and Cuba has universal health care, and that's what Clinton wants...so...what's the problem?

Yes but by making us pay for it through taxes.

I'd rather NOT pay for health care at all... specially not through taxes.

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http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary...unist-manifesto
^Hillary's policies... strong Communism. Even my lady's mother is a Communist and she said anyone who knows Communism would realize that her policies/plans are very Communistic
I'd also like to add that the American people are weak. We should demand to abolish the IRS. No where in the Constitution does it say that we need to pay taxes. Yet Americans are too weak to stand up for their American rights to abolish this pathetic taxation. Or just vote for Obama, as it looks like he has all the answers, and it all starts with socialism. Think not? Look at the polls.

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Elba, my lady doesn't need a darker tan, she almost looks black lol. Grow up, you lil immature child.

How do you propose those that work in the health care industry get paid without taxes?

From profits.

How do you think Free Health care would exist, I'm sure you're capable to think that one up yourself if it already exists

But...there's no...profits...if it's free...

Where is this magical money place you're thinking of that is giving the workers the money?

Holy shit... please take a look at Capitalism that's in our country. And realize EVERY single f**kin business makes profits. You stupid stupid stupid human f**k. Specially from our own resources... stupid shit.

Spencer, don't get into threads or discussions you have no f**kin clue about, just sit there and try to sit cute and learn something. Instead of instigating shit.

I don't understand what you're saying Tama. You're saying you want FREE health care, but how is that possible if no one puts money into it (ie taxes)? If you don't want to pay for health care at all, and not through taxes, then how would you receive health care? Who would be paying for the health care that you receive? What is this thing about profits? How is the health care industry going to make any profit if it doesn't receive revenue because you don't want to pay for health care out of your pocket or through taxes?

[rnicron]

Shut up, Elba! He knows what he's talking about! I'd move to Hawaii to get away from the US, too! Go get a fucking tan or something you ugly hispanic! You stupid american, thinking you know everything! That's why I hate people.

[Elba]

I am just trying to understand what everyone is saying, instead of resorting to calling people stupid f**ks when we're obviously not on the same page.

Stfu spency

[illriginal]

Taxation and Profits are not synonymous.

When I say free health care, I'm speakin as if you were pregnant, and you need a doctor to deliver your child. This would be done for free... YOU don't pay a dime. The hospital's staff, and the Doctor would be paid through a system (which would need to be implemented AFTER IRS and Taxation is abolished). You'll see it come to life when Obama wins the election.

[Elba]

Taxation and Profits are not synonymous.

Thanks, that really helps. Not.

Where are they getting their money from, then? Who is paying for the health care that pays for the costs and makes up the profits?

[rnicron]

It still has to get paid for somehow.

Free = nothing.

[Elba]

Taxation and Profits are not synonymous.

When I say free health care, I'm speakin as if you were pregnant, and you need a doctor to deliver your child. This would be done for free... YOU don't pay a dime. The hospital's staff, and the Doctor would be paid through a system which would need to be implemented AFTER IRS and Taxation is abolished. You'll see it come to life when Obama wins the elections.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So, how would this system acquire the money it needs to pay for our health care?

[Tramatize]

And realize EVERY single f**kin business makes profits. Specially from our own resources... stupid shit.

The money mentioned in this quote above, is what pays for free health care.

[illriginal]

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So, how would this system acquire the money it needs to pay for our health care?

Through profits. A (1) fortune 500 company easily makes 1-2 billion dollars a day in profits. 1-2 billion dollars a month can employee every doctor and nurse in the U.S. a month. There would be a system in which a company that makes an excess amount of money would have to contribute their money to a national/government bank of some sort, similar to the federal reserve but obviously it would be reserved only for the expansion of this country not saving for the value of our currency, like the federal reserve. Whether it's technology, employment, health care, dental, vision, the list goes on... all of this can be free in a sense but it would come from super billionaire companies, from their contribution.

Think of it as... "the robin hood system"

The Robin Hood system is the same in Cuba... that's why many Cubans dislike Cuba because they want to make more money and not share with their own people. And that's why many Cubans love Cuba because everyone is equal... regardless of their jobs, regardless of their skin color etc... everyone shares, this is how a country of people prosper.

Hilary on the other side... she wants to make huge profits and keep that shit for herself. And only give us free health care if other countries unite with ours. Universal Health care is on some New World Order shit.

[queen]

^ that's why it wouldn't work in our capitalist society.

[illriginal]

^ that's why it wouldn't work in our capitalist society.

That's why we're gonna abolish capitalism.

[rnicron]

But, it's like this. Those companies have worked hard to get where they're at, so why would the care for some unfortunate person who can't afford health care? It isn't their fault that these people didn't hit it big, or are living in poverty. I could bet that a large percentage of people would say that if they owned a Fortune 500 business, they would not want their proceeds going to something that'll benefit the whole country just because they make large amounts of money.

[illriginal]

But, it's like this. Those companies have worked hard to get where they're at, so why would the care for some unfortunate person who can't afford health care? It isn't their fault that these people didn't hit it big, or are living in poverty. I could bet that a large percentage of people would say that if they owned a Fortune 500 business, they would not want their proceeds going to something that'll benefit the whole country just because they make large amounts of money.

No.. they didn't work hard, their corporate slaves worked hard. It's time for the people who've been busting their ass for minimum wage to get back what they deserve. This is what the American people want, this is what Obama has to offer us.... The American people want Obama. Fortunately, yet unfortunately, there's more poor people in this country than there is rich.

[queen]

honestly, i support capitalism. i like the fact that through hard work and/or knowing the "right" people, you could come out a billionaire. you can't have that AND balance out everyone's social economic status. leave that to the socialists. move to canada, lol.

[illriginal]

honestly, i support capitalism. i like the fact that through hard work and/or knowing the "right" people, you could come out a billionaire. you can't have that AND balance out everyone's social economic status. leave that to the socialists. move to canada, lol.

Or bring socialism here to the U.S. It's America's destiny... it's inevitable, even McCain's agreeing with Obama's view. While Hilary is on a more stingy policy which makes her look even more Communistic by the days.

Scientific Socialism ftw :D

[mipadi]

Through profits. A (1) fortune 500 company easily makes 1-2 billion dollars a day in profits. 1-2 billion dollars a month can employee every doctor and nurse in the U.S. a month. There would be a system in which a company that makes an excess amount of money would have to contribute their money to a national/government bank of some sort, similar to the federal reserve but obviously it would be reserved only for the expansion of this country not saving for the value of our currency, like the federal reserve. Whether it's technology, employment, health care, dental, vision, the list goes on... all of this can be free in a sense but it would come from super billionaire companies, from their contribution.

Think of it as... "the robin hood system"

The Robin Hood system is the same in Cuba... that's why many Cubans dislike Cuba because they want to make more money and not share with their own people. And that's why many Cubans love Cuba because everyone is equal... regardless of their jobs, regardless of their skin color etc... everyone shares, this is how a country of people prosper.

That's not exactly how it works in Cuba -- unless you could consider taxation "robbing from the rich."

Cuba's health care system is simply run by the government, and paid for out of the government's budget. Going back to what Sammi was saying, it's only "free" for the patients. The doctors and nurses still get paid, except everything is paid for by the government, instead of by insurance companies and patients.

But to reiterate, the health care system isn't paid for by taking money from businesses. It's paid for by the government.

[ersatz]

Tama, what you're saying just sounds like taxes...that are much higher for the rich. So...what would be the difference, other than a bigger tax break for the poor instead of the rich (what I think is really what Obama would be thinking of...I really, seriously, highly doubt he is thinking of up and abolishing capitalism in America and converting us to a wholly socialistic society, which would, in short, be political suicide).

[illriginal]

That's not exactly how it works in Cuba -- unless you could consider taxation "robbing from the rich."

Cuba's health care system is simply run by the government, and paid for out of the government's budget. Going back to what Sammi was saying, it's only "free" for the patients. The doctors and nurses still get paid, except everything is paid for by the government, instead of by insurance companies and patients.

But to reiterate, the health care system isn't paid for by taking money from businesses. It's paid for by the government.

Exactly... And I fully agree. How does the government make money? Through Corporations, what money does the corporations give to the government in order for the government to give free health care? A certain portion/percentage of "PROFITS"


Thanks for breaking it down even further for us... I was hoping someone was gonna ask me to break it down, but you've already done it, only helped prove my point.

Tama, what you're saying just sounds like taxes...that are much higher for the rich. So...what would be the difference, other than a bigger tax break for the poor instead of the rich (what I think is really what Obama would be thinking of...I really, seriously, highly doubt he is thinking of up and abolishing capitalism in America and converting us to a wholly socialistic society, which would, in short, be political suicide).

Then you haven't been payin attention to anyone's speeches. Obama has shown his true face last weekend in his speech @ Pennsylvania.
He still has my vote :D

[rnicron]

hi bella

And I agree with Tung as well, but I much rather abolish welfare, I'm sick of stupid smelly people complaining about how we should feed them and give them hand outs just because they exist. And what pisses me off even more is that they purposely have multiple children just so they can get more money out of the government.

Wouldn't that be the same as the Fortune 500 companies shelling out their money just to pay for their health care?

[mipadi]

Exactly... And I fully agree. How does the government make money? Through Corporations, what money does the corporations give to the government in order for the government to give free health care? A certain portion/percentage of "PROFITS"

The program is not not only funded through corporate taxes, though; everyone pays taxes, including individuals. I'm also not sure if Cuba has a graduated or flat tax rate; but still, it's not exactly true to say that the government robs from the rich and gives to the poor. The rich and poor alike pay taxes, and the rich and poor alike get free health care.