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[dowhead]

Hey everyone,

In this forum, there is a lot of talk about weather God is real or fake, and which religion is the right one. Some are just discussions, and I completely understand. For the record, I am a Christian myself.

I am somewhat frustrated by the fact that that some of my fellow Christians are not able to defend their faith. I am seeing many posts like, "I am a Christian, and God is real." The end.
I would like to remind you that with this answer coming up over and over again, we are not proving anything. I feel that if I were not a Christian, I would be frustrated because no one was proving to me why God is real and the only way. I would feel like "the Christian" asked for a fight, but cannot finish it.

Here is what I propose:
I feel that if you are a Christian and would like to get into a debate about religion, go right ahead. But you need to know every question, answer and reaction that will occur from both sides. It is hard to debate with a non-Christian and personally, I believe that if the non-Christian is stubborn about his beliefs, he or she will not change their ways no matter what anyone says. I would like to advise my Christian friends that we need to be prepared to finish a fight if you would like to get into one.

I am a senior in a Christian high school and we have Bible class. This year we are studying Apologetics as well as world religions and cults. I have learned so much from Apologetics class. Our textbook was a book called: "Defending Your Faith" by Dan Story. I would recommend every Christian to read this book. It helps you not be wavered from Christ by worldly views and things you hear. I learned how to defend my faith for my good. It is an amazing book.

I am sorry if I offended any of you. I am not telling you what you should do, I am advising you though my opinions. You may choose what you like.

Thank you very much. I appreciate you all.

Michelle

[illriginal]

Hey everyone,

In this forum, there is a lot of talk about weather God is real or fake, and which religion is the right one. Some are just discussions, and I completely understand. For the record, I am a Christian myself.

I am somewhat frustrated by the fact that that some of my fellow Christians are not able to defend their faith. I am seeing many posts like, "I am a Christian, and God is real." The end.
I would like to remind you that with this answer coming up over and over again, we are not proving anything. I feel that if I were not a Christian, I would be frustrated because no one was proving to me why God is real and the only way. I would feel like "the Christian" asked for a fight, but cannot finish it.

Here is what I propose:
I feel that if you are a Christian and would like to get into a debate about religion, go right ahead. But you need to know every question, answer and reaction that will occur from both sides. It is hard to debate with a non-Christian and personally, I believe that if the non-Christian is stubborn about his beliefs, he or she will not change their ways no matter what anyone says. I would like to advise my Christian friends that we need to be prepared to finish a fight if you would like to get into one.

I am a senior in a Christian high school and we have Bible class. This year we are studying Apologetics as well as world religions and cults. I have learned so much from Apologetics class. Our textbook was a book called: "Defending Your Faith" by Dan Story. I would recommend every Christian to read this book. It helps you not be wavered from Christ by worldly views and things you hear. I learned how to defend my faith for my good. It is an amazing book.

I am sorry if I offended any of you. I am not telling you what you should do, I am advising you though my opinions. You may choose what you like.

Thank you very much. I appreciate you all.

Michelle

Problem is your book is full of holes and parables... On top of that it's been KNOWN that your holy book has been modified. On top of that, holy books are meant to be examples and stories of what happened in the past... most of which should not be taken literally.

Realistically speaking, you'll need a lot more than just Christianity to even answer most of the questions out there, not just the simplicity of your faith.

You know, you could be Christian and read the Quran, or the Torah, or Talmud etc... it's not gonna convert you into another religion.

On top of that, you could use science to prove a lot about the existence of God. You just gotta give up a lot of your social life in order to better understand and realize it.

[monster]

Hey everyone,

In this forum, there is a lot of talk about weather God is real or fake, and which religion is the right one. Some are just discussions, and I completely understand. For the record, I am a Christian myself.

I am somewhat frustrated by the fact that that some of my fellow Christians are not able to defend their faith. I am seeing many posts like, "I am a Christian, and God is real." The end.
I would like to remind you that with this answer coming up over and over again, we are not proving anything. I feel that if I were not a Christian, I would be frustrated because no one was proving to me why God is real and the only way. I would feel like "the Christian" asked for a fight, but cannot finish it.

Here is what I propose:
I feel that if you are a Christian and would like to get into a debate about religion, go right ahead. But you need to know every question, answer and reaction that will occur from both sides. It is hard to debate with a non-Christian and personally, I believe that if the non-Christian is stubborn about his beliefs, he or she will not change their ways no matter what anyone says. I would like to advise my Christian friends that we need to be prepared to finish a fight if you would like to get into one.

I am a senior in a Christian high school and we have Bible class. This year we are studying Apologetics as well as world religions and cults. I have learned so much from Apologetics class. Our textbook was a book called: "Defending Your Faith" by Dan Story. I would recommend every Christian to read this book. It helps you not be wavered from Christ by worldly views and things you hear. I learned how to defend my faith for my good. It is an amazing book.

I am sorry if I offended any of you. I am not telling you what you should do, I am advising you though my opinions. You may choose what you like.

Thank you very much. I appreciate you all.

Michelle

"A man who is eating or lying with his wife or preparing to go to sleep in humility, thankfulness and temperance, is, by Christian standards, in an infinitely higher state than one who is listening to Bach or reading Plato in a state of pride."

- C. S. Lewis

Not everyone is able to study apologetics and is able to take a Bible class everyday.

Problem is your book is full of holes and parables... On top of that it's been KNOWN that your holy book has been modified. On top of that, holy books are meant to be examples and stories of what happened in the past... most of which should not be taken literally.

Realistically speaking, you'll need a lot more than just Christianity to even answer most of the questions out there, not just the simplicity of your faith.

You know, you could be Christian and read the Quran, or the Torah, or Talmud etc... it's not gonna convert you into another religion.

On top of that, you could use science to prove a lot about the existence of God. You just gotta give up a lot of your social life in order to better understand and realize it.

It's not a religion if everything is taken as a parable or a metaphor.

And, I'd like to see proof that our "holy book" has been tampered with.

[illriginal]

"A man who is eating or lying with his wife or preparing to go to sleep in humility, thankfulness and temperance, is, by Christian standards, in an infinitely higher state than one who is listening to Bach or reading Plato in a state of pride."

- C. S. Lewis

Not everyone is able to study apologetics and is able to take a Bible class everyday.
It's not a religion if everything is taken as a parable or a metaphor.

And, I'd like to see proof that our "holy book" has been tampered with.

o.O It's in history books, well not school books but... here's a hint, had to do with a court, Jews, and Romans. On top of that the Bible is simply not meant to be taken literally.

It's like someone tellin you a story for the first time ever then you repeat it on a piece of paper, you're just not gonna remember every word he/she said. Or if you repeat it to someone...

Bible is just stories that set examples, so you can learn right from wrong, what's accepted and what's not accepted.

You want more than what the Bible can offer in knowledge, read more than what the Bible can offer. There's other holy books, stop being ignorant and learn more :P (not that I'm callin you ignorant, just sayin)

[monster]

o.O It's in history books, well not school books but... here's a hint, had to do with a court, Jews, and Romans. On top of that the Bible is simply not meant to be taken literally.

It's like someone tellin you a story for the first time ever then you repeat it on a piece of paper, you're just not gonna remember every word he/she said. Or if you repeat it to someone...

Bible is just stories that set examples, so you can learn right from wrong, what's accepted and what's not accepted.

You want more than what the Bible can offer in knowledge, read more than what the Bible can offer. There's other holy books, stop being ignorant and learn more :P (not that I'm callin you ignorant, just sayin)

I still require proof, which you have failed to bring to me so far.

There has been about 25 minutes for you to bring me one shed of proof that the Bible has been proved fake.

I'll wait for you.

[illriginal]

I still require proof, which you have failed to bring to me so far.

There has been about 25 minutes for you to bring me one shed of proof that the Bible has been proved fake.

I'll wait for you.

It hasn't been proved fake lol... Guy I'm not gonna sit here and debate about missing doctrines. Because Christians tend to take doctrines out of context (because it's their personal understanding/interpretation) just to try and prove a point, no matter how foolish they may look.

On top of that, I don't want to be the one to slam your holy book. It's not my responsibility to bring light to the people... I just don't care to, no offense. Plus we're all humans who didn't witness any of this. We use faith as proof, which doesn't hold weight.

Plus I base my Christian knowledge on the Dead Sea scrolls which were recently discovered in Jordan and simply put it's more authentic than any New Testament bible out today.

Though I must admit, Hebrew is a hard language and all I can really do is repeatedly re-read it till I fully understand.

[monster]

It hasn't been proved fake lol... Guy I'm not gonna sit here and debate about missing doctrines. Because Christians tend to take doctrines out of context (because it's their personal understanding/interpretation) just to try and prove a point, no matter how foolish they may look.

On top of that, I don't want to be the one to slam your holy book. It's not my responsibility to bring light to the people... I just don't care to, no offense. Plus we're all humans who didn't witness any of this. We use faith as proof, which doesn't hold weight.

Plus I base my Christian knowledge on the Dead Sea scrolls which were recently discovered in Jordan and simply put it's more authentic than any New Testament bible out today.

Though I must admit, Hebrew is a hard language and all I can really do is repeatedly re-read it till I fully understand.

Then I'm going to discard your comments as bullshit.

[illriginal]

Then I'm going to discard your comments as bullshit.

Pfft.. I can care less. Like I said, even if God gave me the gift of the all knowing, I'd still let the human race fail. I'd rather die with the knowledge than help a thick headed human. I don't have the patience to debate religion with religious people, not anymore at least.. they're all same and annoy the heck out of me.

Anyways, good luck.... I recommend you get into the Dead Sea scrolls before you start to believe anything in that half assed book you call a bible erm... Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth :P

[fameONE]

Pfft.. I can care less. Like I said, even if God gave me the gift of the all knowing, I'd still let the human race fail. I'd rather die with the knowledge than help a thick headed human. I don't have the patience to debate religion with religious people, not anymore at least.. they're all same and annoy the heck out of me.

Anyways, good luck.... I recommend you get into the Dead Sea scrolls before you start to believe anything in that half assed book you call a bible erm... Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth :P

Yikes.

[monster]

Pfft.. I can care less. Like I said, even if God gave me the gift of the all knowing, I'd still let the human race fail. I'd rather die with the knowledge than help a thick headed human. I don't have the patience to debate religion with religious people, not anymore at least.. they're all same and annoy the heck out of me.

Anyways, good luck.... I recommend you get into the Dead Sea scrolls before you start to believe anything in that half assed book you call a bible erm... Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth :P

Kinda' funny that you use that acronym. You have no idea how much you just contradicted yourself right now.

[illriginal]

Kinda' funny that you use that acronym. You have no idea how much you just contradicted yourself right now.

LOL You don't even have a clue of 360 degree knowledge. You've never held Papyrus before... you're just another sad excuse for a human who can't figure out his head from his ass. Get it together chump, you don't know shit but a big book of stories that programmed you into a mental jail cell w.

Good luck there, fake ass devil!

BTW!
Definition Of Forged:
# To give form or shape to, especially by means of careful effort: forge a treaty; forge a close relationship.
# To fashion or reproduce for fraudulent purposes; counterfeit: forge a signature.


Let me know when you finally realize what level I'm on. Shit even Masons have more knowledge than the current pope or any priest or pastor you can think of lol... you fail.

[monster]

LOL You don't even have a clue of 360 degree knowledge. You've never held Papyrus before... you're just another sad excuse for a human who can't figure out his head from his ass. Get it together chump, you don't know shit but a big book of stories that programmed you into a mental jail cell w.

Good luck there, fake ass devil!

BTW!
Definition Of Forged:
# To give form or shape to, especially by means of careful effort: forge a treaty; forge a close relationship.
# To fashion or reproduce for fraudulent purposes; counterfeit: forge a signature.
Let me know when you finally realize what level I'm on. Shit even Masons have more knowledge than the current pope or any priest or pastor you can think of lol... you fail.

Yes, we know what forged means.

I'm asking you for proof of it.

[NoSex]

Yes, we know what forged means.

I'm asking you for proof of it.

Not to side with the Mystic or anything, but, how many different translations are there of your holy text? And, how many of them are different? Further, how many apocrypha exist? Even further, Constantine and his Biblical committee? Canonization, anyone? You books have been f**ked with forever, just like any other book - actually, more so than any other book. It's f**king common sense by this point.

And, in a more "on topic" sort of way: Apologetics is a f**king joke.

[illriginal]

Not to side with the Mystic or anything, but, how many different translations are there of your holy text? And, how many of them are different? Further, how many apocrypha exist? Even further, Constantine and his Biblical committee? Canonization, anyone? You books have been f**ked with forever, just like any other book - actually, more so than any other book. It's f**king common sense by this point.

And, in a more "on topic" sort of way: Apologetics is a f**king joke.

That's why you use the technologies of sciences to show evidence. I actually went from hating science to loving the hell out of science. Thanks to science I became a stronger believer

[brooklyneast05]

^wanna further explain what in science led you to your conclusion? what scientific technologies show evidence, and what are they showing evidence of?

[illriginal]

^wanna further explain what in science led you to your conclusion? what scientific technologies show evidence, and what are they showing evidence of?

These are just some.... Like I said before, you gotta basically give up your social life. Dedicate some years of your life to knowledge, sort of becomes an addiction.

aretaics
astrogeology
astrology
astronomy
astrophysics
bioecology
bibliotics
characterology
chemistry
codicology
cosmology
diplomatics
Egyptology

There's a lot more than this... these just make a tiny dent in the surface.

[monster]

These are just some.... Like I said before, you gotta basically give up your social life. Dedicate some years of your life to knowledge, sort of becomes an addiction.

aretaics
astrogeology
astrology
astronomy
astrophysics
bioecology
bibliotics
characterology
chemistry
codicology
cosmology
diplomatics
Egyptology

There's a lot more than this... these just make a tiny dent in the surface.

lol. get out of this thread.

[brooklyneast05]

lol. get out of this thread.

for real


btw you didn't answer my question really. you just listed more junk. it doesn't explain anything at all. it doesn't tell me what they show evidence of.

[dowhead]

Tamacracker:

Problem is your book is full of holes and parables... On top of that it's been KNOWN that your holy book has been modified. On top of that, holy books are meant to be examples and stories of what happened in the past... most of which should not be taken literally.

Although I personally do not believe that the Bible is full of holes and parables, your response has further verified my point in the first place: to defend your beliefs. As you may recall I said,

“I am somewhat frustrated by the fact that that some of my fellow Christians are not able to defend their faith. I am seeing many posts like, "I am a Christian, and God is real." The end.”

This can also apply for non-Christians alike. From what you have stated, I see no defense in your beliefs, other than it is KNOWN that my Holy Book has been modified. I do not see where you have acquired this information.

Realistically speaking, you'll need a lot more than just Christianity to even answer most of the questions out there, not just the simplicity of your faith.

I do not believe I made this statement in my topic nor was I implying any kind of debate. I was giving my opinion to other Christians.

You know, you could be Christian and read the Quran, or the Torah, or Talmud etc... it's not gonna convert you into another religion.

I understand this. I didn’t know I implied this in my topic.



Monster:

"A man who is eating or lying with his wife or preparing to go to sleep in humility, thankfulness and temperance, is, by Christian standards, in an infinitely higher state than one who is listening to Bach or reading Plato in a state of pride."

- C. S. Lewis

Not everyone is able to study apologetics and is able to take a Bible class everyday.

I was not trying to say that everyone should study apologetics and take a Bible class. I said in part of my topic,

“I feel that if you are a Christian and would like to get into a debate about religion, go right ahead. But you need to know every question, answer and reaction that will occur from both sides”

“I would like to advise my Christian friends that we need to be prepared to finish a fight if you would like to get into one.”

What I was meaning is that we need to think our thoughts and actions through before we get into something and become stuck. It is all just planning in your head. No one needs to take Apologetics. I did recommend that some read that book. But I didn’t demand it.


Nosex:

And, in a more "on topic" sort of way: Apologetics is a f**king joke.

Why do you say that? Where is your defense?

[illriginal]

lol. get out of this thread.

Why because you can't pronounce non of the words listed? lol... I've read more books than you and your nerdy ass friends have ever gotten laid, bish. Don't be upset you can't be a Jack of all trades LOL

Tamacracker:


1. Although I personally do not believe that the Bible is full of holes and parables.

2 I am seeing many posts like, "I am a Christian, and God is real." The end.”

3. From what you have stated, I see no defense in your beliefs, other than it is KNOWN that my Holy Book has been modified. I do not see where you have acquired this information.

1. That's your problem, not mine.

2. Right... and all I'm sayin is, if you're a Christian and you want to use something more than just your faith (which doesn't hold weight in a debate or anywhere else for that matter), then get the reading. Stop using your faith or better yet, your opinion as a way to defend your Religion.

3. Oh I can simply remind you, that I, Gabriel, really don't give a damn to educate another human being. Meaning, I'm not gonna go outta my way to go through all the shit I read just to pull up quotes and mathematical equations or what have you just to teach someone something. Sure I'll throw some clues/hints, hell even authors. But I won't break my back to help someone, cuz no one did it for me... So in conclusion I just don't give a damn. But I do hope that you could at least look outside the box and do your own reading. It'll only help you for you nothin else.

for real
btw you didn't answer my question really. you just listed more junk. it doesn't explain anything at all. it doesn't tell me what they show evidence of.

Not my problem... figure it out yourself. You can do it, don't let someone else feed you knowledge over the internet. READ. READ. READ.

[dowhead]

I'm sorry, Gabriel.

If none of this is your problem,
If you don't give a damn,
If you chose to bash others instead of being polite,
If you do not chose to support your evidence and opinions,
If you don't think faith holds weight in a debate or anywhere else for that matter,

I come to wonder why you are posting on this topic.
I feel as if you want to change our minds, yet you are saying that it's not your problem and it learn ourselves. I find your use of words very contradicting.

I do feel like you are "bashing" our beliefs as well. I will ask you not to. The rules for this area of the forum are stated.

I hope that no one else will bash any further on this topic also. Please be polite, everyone.

[illriginal]

I'm sorry, Gabriel.

If none of this is your problem,
If you don't give a damn,
If you chose to bash others instead of being polite,
If you do not chose to support your evidence and opinions,
If you don't think faith holds weight in a debate or anywhere else for that matter,

I come to wonder why you are posting on this topic.
I feel as if you want to change our minds, yet you are saying that it's not your problem and it learn ourselves. I find your use of words very contradicting.

I do feel like you are "bashing" our beliefs as well. I will ask you not to. The rules for this area of the forum are stated.

I hope that no one else will bash any further on this topic also. Please be polite, everyone.

LOL awesome. I'm not even a bible and she totally took it out of my context

I post for awareness, so the younger generations abolishes satan's trickery... duh :D

[dowhead]

So, you are making it your problem by posting for awareness?

[Joss-eh-lime]

1. Why did you underline random words?
2. Christians are supposed to share their faith, but not always through words. Actions in real life are more important than saying the right thing on an online forum. I am a Christian, and try to live my life how christ would want. I dont live to prove people wrong.

[illriginal]

1. Why did you underline random words?
2. Christians are supposed to share their faith, but not always through words. Actions in real life are more important than saying the right thing on an online forum. I am a Christian, and try to live my life how christ would want. I dont live to prove people wrong.

If that's the truth, then become a Monk

It's a powerful sacrifice.

So, you are making it your problem by posting for awareness?

Yeah it's my problem when brain washed people feed the youth lies with faith and no proper answers to their questions. But it's definitely not my problem when someone wants easy answers, when they ask me for proof. That's their problem, they need the eye of the tiger to achieve their answers.

Like someone else mentioned, apologetics is nothin but shit. The people want cold hard facts, not fantasies of a religion who base their faith on a prophet, who was HUMAN... nothin else. =\

The Trinity was forged into the bible lol... it's blasphemy... trickery.

Edit: I posted this on another thread by accident.

The point I was makin about the Trinity was this:
Study Egyptology, the trinity existed before Jesus was even born. Christianity was invented for agendas.