god, part 2 Options

[*CEP*]

So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[onenonly101]

Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly think that religion is just something that people use to fill up the space of the things that cannot be explained, or things that we dont know yet.

-The Bible: how do we know this is real? There is no physical proof proving that it is indeed factual. There are also many proven scientific facts contradicting many of the bibles "stories". Such as: Adam and Eve were supposedly created out of nowhere, and were the first man and women. Sciene proves that everything evolved from bacteria in the oceans, therefore going against the adam and eve story.

- Miracles: miracles are just a matter of opinion. anything these days can be considered a miracle, anything from someones shoe finally untying, to someone surviving cancer. Its just a matter of trying harder, and believing in yourself, not believing in some celestial being.

-Sins: its a matter of opinion, some thigns may be considered alright to some people, while those thigns might be considered a sin to other people.

if god is so forgiving, how come he made all the 10 commandments, if he would just forgive it anyway?

and lastly, if killing is against the ten commandments or gods rules, didnt he break them himself? with the whole great flood thing? Honestly, the whole idea of christianity is like a cult to me.

First there are not proven scientific facts contradicting the bible. That is why it is called the Evolution Theory, becuase it cannot be proven. The Bible is real, because God made it, plus there is no way that 66 books with 44 writers written over thousands of years have not contradicted each and speak the truth.

Miracles are things like surviving cancaer. It was a miracle for that doctor to understand the cancer and be able to treat it. It all comes back to God becaause he is the one who gave us the knowledge he is the one who made us. There is no such thing as just believing in yourself because you can accomplish nothing by yourself.

Sins are not a matter of opinion, if it were then there would be no laws, no government and we would all be dead. You have to have laws and limits in order to stay alive.

God made the ten commandents to give us something to follow, like a rubric your teacher gives you. That you should follow these things to get that grade. Wioth the ten commmandments it gives us basic things we should follow.

It is not thou shalt not kill. It is thou shalt not murder. Murder is the unlawfull killing of opeople. God made Noah make a boat for him and his children and his wivfe because he was the only upright person in the land. the flood killed those who were committing horrible crimes.

The idea of evolution is a cult thing to me because they can all believe that science that has not proven evolution and follow it basing all their decisions on it. You can't say Chrisitianity was a cult you would have to say religion was a cult and if that is so you are in a cult because being agonistic and atheist is a religion.

[ryfitaDF]

The idea of evolution is a cult thing to me because they can all believe that science that has not proven evolution and follow it basing all their decisions on it. You can't say Chrisitianity was a cult you would have to say religion was a cult and if that is so you are in a cult because being agonistic and atheist is a religion.

then what should i be called sicne i wish to not be in any religion? pagan? heathen? or just nonbeliever?

religion requies worship, and i don't worship anything.

[onenonly101]

but didn't you say you believe in your self? therefore you would worship yourself

[Spirited Away]

First there are not proven scientific facts contradicting the bible. That is why it is called the Evolution Theory, becuase it cannot be proven. The Bible is real, because God made it, plus there is no way that 66 books with 44 writers written over thousands of years have not contradicted each and speak the truth.

I think you meant that there are not any 'proven scientific facts' that can be accepted as truths to contradict the Bible.

Theories are experiments that have been tested and yield the same result most of the time and is accepted as universal 'truths'. Even Christians must admit that an atom is the smallest unit of an element or that the human body must consists of muscles and bones... etc. Such things are universal 'truths'.

However, in the case of the Bible, there are too many who would deny that the Bible is real. (Note that I did not mention God, only the Bible)

Miracles are things like surviving cancaer. It was a miracle for that doctor to understand the cancer and be able to treat it. It all comes back to God becaause he is the one who gave us the knowledge he is the one who made us. There is no such thing as just believing in yourself because you can accomplish nothing by yourself.

Science can cure cancer, so can a strong will to live (<--not so sure of the second one).

Sins are not a matter of opinion, if it were then there would be no laws, no government and we would all be dead. You have to have laws and limits in order to stay alive.

Some laws are meant to be altered, that's why there are amendments. Laws that are required to "stay alive" are laws that everyone must be able to agree with at some point. However, sins are a different story, I think (you would have to correct me if I'm wrong please). Lies are sins, but there are lies that will help people, 'white lies'. But I don't know if God would consider a white lie as grevious of a sin as a harmful lie.

God made the ten commandents to give us something to follow, like a rubric your teacher gives you. That you should follow these things to get that grade. Wioth the ten commmandments it gives us basic things we should follow.

I've never heard of the Ten Commandments until I was in high school. I never knew commandments before then and I was still a 'good' child. (Though I'm sure we'll have different definitions of what is good).
My morals kept me from doing bad things and my morals were learned from observing other non-believers.

The idea of evolution is a cult thing to me because they can all believe that science that has not proven evolution and follow it basing all their decisions on it. You can't say Chrisitianity was a cult you would have to say religion was a cult and if that is so you are in a cult because being agonistic and atheist is a religion. 

ryfitaDF made a very good point here. Agnostics and/or Atheists, do not worship as required in religion. Us heathens believe in concepts and the last time I checked concepts are not so hardcore as religions.

but didn't you say you believe in your self? therefore you would worship yourself

There is a difference between believing and worshipping. I believe that there will be rain, is the not the same as I will worship my belief that there will be rain.

[CrimsonArchangel]

then what should i be called sicne i wish to not be in any religion? pagan? heathen? or just nonbeliever?

religion requies worship, and i don't worship anything.

Just curious. You say you don't believe in God and what not, but why does your avatar say Lamb of God?

Sciene proves that everything evolved from bacteria in the oceans, therefore going against the adam and eve story.

Where did the bacteria and the ocean come from then? There had to be something that created them. And yes (If I sound rude here please forgive me), I know something had to creat that someone or something that created the bacteria and the ocean, but our limited knowledge is too, well... limited, to know that. You can ask even the most hardcore christian and they won't be able to tell you where he/that creator came from, but it's just pretty obvious that something's out there. Nothing comes out of nothing. Not even Adam and Eve. They didn't come out of nothing. If you knew the "story" (sorry again if I sound rude), you'd know that Adam came from dust and Eve from Adam's rib. (Yes, even that sounds rather far fetched, but..... you sort of have to go by faith and what you see around you. It is a scientific proof however, that men have one less rib on their rib cage than women. I'll look it up.

[Lena]

but didn't you say you believe in your self? therefore you would worship yourself

there's a huge level between believing and worshiping so don't make blatant accusations.

onenonly101...who ever said cults were a bad thing?

personally I am not a religion person...my family has religious backgrounds but I have personally chosen to ignore the concept of religion. the whole concept of religion was to explain the unexplained...but look at what scientist have uncovered...and with time we can only find more developments.

CrimsonArchangel...unless you want me to brief you on the heterotroph theory that I've memorized for the NYS Regents...basically we CAN break the bacteria down...and with a little research or consultation I can find out for you what caused the big bang that created the elements...the sugar chains...the amino acids that formed proteins that formed clumps...that engulfed substanced that developed into our one celled organisms. But we do have to take into consideration that it is a theory. There are serveral others...but I don't exactly want to do into the whole ecology unit of bio at this moment. Then I ask you...who created the so called creator.

The fault I find with religion is that if you were to follow everything in moderation the world would be a nice place...dumb but nice...but the fact of the matter just with Christianity there have been so many cases of corruption...and people taking it in so many different extremes I see problem with just the religion itself. I find it interesting because many of you are from a descent where your peoples wouldn't even been practicing religion if it were for imperialism and hardships press on people preexisting there from conquerors that were "acting in the name of god" I find that ironic.

You're all free to believe what you believe and dislike my thoughts...but I always find it troublesome when one says that god lead then through it all. well I guess you can look at it that way if you believe that the presense of god is an ambiance everywhere around you...but can't y'all be a little more egotistical...or be grateful for the people who helped you...i forgot...god sent them.

I can go on forever...but I will stop for tonight!

[CrimsonArchangel]

CrimsonArchangel...unless you want me to brief you on the heterotroph theory that I've memorized for the NYS Regents...basically we CAN break the bacteria down...and with a little research or consultation I can find out for you what caused the big bang that created the elements...the sugar chains...the amino acids that formed proteins that formed clumps...that engulfed substanced that developed into our one celled organisms. But we do have to take into consideration that it is a theory. There are serveral others...but I don't exactly want to do into the whole ecology unit of bio at this moment. Then I ask you...who created the so called creator.

No need to brief me on anything, , I had to learn it myself, don't worry.
And, sorry if I sound rude (yet again, haha), but I'd love to see what you can come up with about the big bang and stuff. I mean.... it all leads to the same thing, how did all those stars and gases and what not come to be?
And I said it before, I can't tell you who created the "Creator" because I don't know. Plain and simple. No one does. Like you said, everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but for this I guess you go on faith (I have a feeling this will bring more debate, but I say bring it on, ). No one knows where the creator came from. That's something we'll have to ask him ourselves when we get to heaven.

[Spirited Away]

Then I ask you...who created the so called creator. 

That sounds like something I should try to answer because I was the one who originally brought up a concept of a Creator, who's not so much like God.

I will answer your question with a question of my own: if we're not creations, then what are we? What can we be called aside from creations?

[Gypsy Eyes]

Just curious. You say you don't believe in God and what not, but why does your avatar say Lamb of God?

Lamb of god is a band

[CrimsonArchangel]

Lamb of god is a band

I *know* that. But why mention something you don't believe in? Why like something that mentions something you don't believe in? If that made *any* sense....

[ryfitaDF]

I *know* that. But why mention something you don't believe in? Why like something that mentions something you don't believe in? If that made *any* sense....

why not? i'm not some kinda strict anti-christ who goes "oh, this has to do with god. i can't like it". i love their music and i'm not gunna let their name interfier with it.

they're not even christian. their first name was "burn the priest", so i'm guessing "lamb of god" is sarcasm.

[CrimsonArchangel]

why not? i'm not some kinda strict anti-christ who goes "oh, this has to do with god. i can't like it". i love their music and i'm not gunna let their name interfier with it.

they're not even christian. their first name was "burn the priest", so i'm guessing "lamb of god" is sarcasm.

No specific reason. I was just saying.

[onenonly101]

I've never heard of the Ten Commandments until I was in high school. I never knew commandments before then and I was still a 'good' child. (Though I'm sure we'll have different definitions of what is good).
My morals kept me from doing bad things and my morals were learned from observing other non-believers.

You might have never heard of The Ten Commandment exactly but the basic morals your p-arents or people surrounding you came from the Ten Commandment because they could've known them and realized they were basic moral ideas. Such as your parents tell you not to lie, don't make idols, rest on sunday. honor them, don't murder,don't commit adultry,don't steal, don't be jealous.
Ten Commandments: Do not worship any Gods before me, Do not make idols, Do not use the Lord's name in vain, Rest on the Sabbath and keep it holy, Honor your father and mother, Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not lie, and Do not covet anything your neighbor owns.

Oh and heathens,pagans and nonbelievers are not the same. Heathens don't go to church you can be a christian and not go to church. Pagans don't believe in God and will not go to church. Non believers aren't Christians, but that doesn't mean they don't want to believe in God.

find it interesting because many of you are from a descent where your peoples wouldn't even been practicing religion if it were for imperialism and hardships press on people preexisting there from conquerors that were "acting in the name of god"  I find that ironic.

ummm not me. I'm Nigerian American, from southwestern Nigeria where it is based on Christian and Catholic beliefs. Now if I was from north Nigeria that would be a different story.

there's a huge level between believing and worshiping  so don't make blatant accusations

not that huge. They weren't blatant accusations. I see it as, if you believe in only yourself and you accomplish something well you are going to praise yourself and the act of worship is praise, so ultimatly you are worshipping yourself.

What I believe is that everyone who says they don't believe there is God does too believe. The thing is they believe there is God, but they don't want to believe IN God. I don't know, what i get from ya'll is that is too easy. That you want to control your life, not God. The way I see it is that I would rather God control my life then have me control it and make bad decisions that will ultimatly question who am i and why do i get so much authority to ruin my life.

[Spirited Away]

You might have never heard of The Ten Commandment exactly but the basic morals your p-arents or people surrounding you came from the Ten Commandment because they could've known them and realized they were basic moral ideas. Such as your parents tell you not to lie, don't make idols, rest on sunday. honor them, don't murder,don't commit adultry,don't steal, don't be jealous.

So you're saying that before the Ten Commandments people were savages and babarians who killed for pleasure and they were people who lived in decadence and enjoyed every moment of it? Are you saying that people in Asia, Mid East were all savages because they didn't know of God's laws?

I don't see how you came to that deduction, but already I see it as an incredible offense.

My father is Buddhist, and as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), Buddhism came before the age of Christ. The teachings of the Buddha is older than the teachings of the Bible since Buddhism came to be first.

If anything, his morality branched off of the Buddha's teachings, not those of Christ or Man who claimed to speak for the Lord.

Oh and heathens,pagans and nonbelievers are not the same. Heathens don't go to church you can be a christian and not go to church. Pagans don't believe in God and will not go to church. Non believers aren't Christians, but that doesn't mean they don't want to believe in God.

And...? Did you wanted to clear something up?

not that huge. They weren't blatant accusations. I see it as, if you believe in only yourself and you accomplish something well you are going to praise yourself and the act of worship is praise, so ultimatly you are worshipping yourself.

There's a difference between believing in oneself and worshipping oneself. A person who believes in his/her own worth has confidence, while a person who worships him/herself is vain and conceited, psychotic even.
According to you, when parents praise their children for a job well done, parents are worshipping their kids? I don't think that makes much sense.
The act of worship is not so simple as praise or belief, it's beyond that. Do you mean to tell me that when you worship God, all you do is believe and praise Him? Do you not love Him, honor Him, and respect Him as well? Do you not entrust your life to Him?
There is a great difference.

What I believe is that everyone who says they don't believe there is God does too believe. The thing is they believe there is God, but they don't want to believe IN God. I don't know, what i get from ya'll is that is too easy. That you want to control your life, not God. The way I see it is that I would rather God control my life then have me control it and make bad decisions that will ultimatly question who am i and why do i get so much authority to ruin my life.

That's your own choosing to give God your control, many do not want that and you must respect their choice because they respect yours.
If I ruin my own life, then I have nothing more to say, but if my life is ruined and I believed in God, then God would be nothing more than a person who ruined my life.

[onenonly101]

So you're saying that before the Ten Commandments people were savages and babarians who killed for pleasure and they were people who lived in decadence and enjoyed every moment of it? Are you saying that people in Asia, Mid East were all savages because they didn't know of God's laws?

I don't see how you came to that deduction, but already I see it as an incredible offense.

I didn't say nor imply any of that.

And...? Did you wanted to clear something up?

then what should i be called sicne i wish to not be in any religion? pagan? heathen? or just nonbeliever?

That's your own choosing to give God your control, many do not want that and you must respect their choice because they respect yours.

I do respect that in my saying that i was meaning, i don't see why shouldn't you trust God if it would make your life better.

[Spirited Away]

I do respect that in my saying that i was meaning, i don't see why shouldn't you trust God if it would make your life better.

If trusting God makes my life easier were true, then all Christians would have an easy life.

I didn't say nor imply any of that.

But you did say that whatever morality my parents learn are branched off from the Ten Commandments. Which does imply that without the Ten Commandments, my parents would be bad people, and I see no logic in that.

[IIO__oII]

If trusting God makes my life easier were true, then all Christians would have an easy life.

maybe it makes OUR lives easier by us knowing that GOd is on our side, and that we knoe where we are going when we die.
its a great comfort to us.

[Spirited Away]

maybe it makes OUR lives easier by us knowing that GOd is on our side, and that we knoe where we are going when we die.
its a great comfort to us.

i don't get you.

first you say that Christians suffer more, now you say that Chrisitans have an easier life? Geez, make up your freaking mind.

[IIO__oII]

i don't get you.

first you say that Christians suffer more, now you say that Chrisitans have an easier life? Geez, make up your freaking mind.

err.. wut IM sayin is that now i KNOE WHERE i will END up when i DIE.. that ISNT the same thing as LIFE being easier....
and i said a MAYBE.. christians have different opinions...

[Spirited Away]

err.. wut IM sayin is that now i KNOE WHERE i will END up when i DIE.. that ISNT the same thing as LIFE being easier....
and i said a MAYBE.. christians have different opinions...

Having different opinions is not the same is contradicting yourself, by doing so you confused the heck out of me. Anyway, you agreed with Princess in an earlier post saying that Christians suffer more than non-believers.

I don't care to know where I will end up when I die, but I'm happy with that. You may be happy with knowing, but I can be just as satisfied with not knowing.

[ComradeRed]

How will you spend eternity? Smoking or non-smoking?

[ryfitaDF]

raise your fist in the air. DRUG FREE!

[stryker76]

Yeah i have to agree the christains do suffer more in this world.....i think its because of the fact that they believe that there is an all powerful god and yet when he doesnt come through for them they are disappointed and begin to think that maybe there was something else more they could have done at church. This truly is ignorance at its highest level...i mean come on we are told god gives miracles and then he doesnt...and for those that do happen they are always disproved by science. Religion is an endless circle of guilt....because you are always thinking you could do more...the church made it that way so that stupid people will fall into the trap and pay the church more money since they can force indulgence ne more.....YAY RELIGION ROCKS.......well if you into corruption and child molestation.......so i say screw religion.....poor chour boys.....

[onenonly101]

i don't know if this is what princess and iio_oii where saying but this is what i got from it.

Christians are persecuted more than anyone else, because we follow God. But we are persecuted by other humans. God makes our lives better because we know whenever we are in trouble or just need someone God will always be there.

Stryer they are not always disporved by science because if they were there would not be a God debate. Fall into what trap? If you didn't know tithing is a voluntary act. An act that helps support missionaries that have support our nonprofit organizations like feeding and housing the homless and various other things we do as a church

[BeyondElite]

oh my. People are crazy about this topic huh?