The Golden Compass, Selling Kids to Atheism? Options

[MissFits]

the cross was on city property, had it been on private property, that would have been a different story. it violates separation of church and state, that's just how it is. let's erect a 43 foot tribute to islam on city owned land and see how that goes over.

pledge allegiance banned? don't u mean the phrase "under god" be taken out. that's not banning the pledge allegiance. under god, which god? the christian god? what about those who worship more than one god? we're playing favorites here

in god we trust on the money.
reminding us to trust in god just isn't the job of the state.

u say that the church doesn't push it's beliefs on anyone. that doesn't work with the example of in god we trust as our national motto on our currency. our original national motto from benjamin franklin and thomas jefferson is a secular one, E Pluribus Unum. who do u think pushed that idea out for a religious one? eh?
these things aren't just about atheists. "in god we trust" refers to one god, what about the people who believe in more than one god? what about people who believe in another god instead of the christian one? separation of church and state protects my rights as well as christian's from other religions being forced on them. do u want islamic symbols on our currency?

i don't really care if they remove it or not, to be honest i won't even notice unless someone tells me. i'm just saying.

You said everything I wanted to say to her.

Anytime a movie/book/tv show comes out that doesn't have strong Christian values there is always a Christian group telling the parents not to let their children experience it.

I don't understand why, if it is fantasy, Christian groups get SO upset over them. The kids should have enough faith in their religion to not let one movie/book/tv show change that. Even 100,000,000,000 books shouldn't change that. If you have faith, you have faith.
I feel so bad for the kids with the overly religious parents that don't let them see something as harmless as a movie about a magic compass.

[ersatz]

Woooooooow, hahaha. Christians don't push their beliefs on anyone...funniest crock of shit I've ever heard. Just sayin'...

[Joss-eh-lime]

I had no idea it was anything religious.

I still think I'llk go see for myself.

[Uronacid]

Honestly, the Christians who are boycotting this movie are making my religion look bad. I'm going to see it because they are boycotting it. I had a mind of my own as a child. I have a mind of my own now. No fantasy movie is going to convert me to atheism... the people boycotting this are idiots.

[Call911Quick]

I don't see how it was Aethist.

I'm a Christian, and I had no quarrels when I watched it.

It was a bad movie none the less, I wouldn't waste money to watch it.

Go for Hitman 47 instead.

[StandardEdition]

right, so if in reality he doesn't believe in god, what makes him different that anyone else who writes stories? the thing is, if he was writing about any other subject other than god, u wouldn't find it at all strange that he's writing about something he doesn't believe in.
exactly.

I don't find it strange now. I mean, I don't know him, I don't if he's beleived in god once in his life. I don't kknow anything. And I don't feel its the same with witches and what not but I suppose to you it could be. The way he's playing off the church [I think that would be the catholic church im not sure tho] kinda sounds like he's angry with it for some reason Idk cuz I don't care much to look into it.

I had no idea it was anything religious.

I still think I'llk go see for myself.

It's not religious.

The way I see it, is the church reacting to something they can't control. Fortunately, the church doesn't rule the world today so we can be able to say what we please and beleive in whatever. I see the people boycotting this as stupid, but I can see why they are boycotting it. To stand for their beleifs, if they are that religious they can boycott al they want but they aren't rly going to stop anyone from seeing it. This is the same story wi th Harry Potter, insecure christians say Harry Potter was from the devil. Its a ton of bs but either way we cant rly do anything about it. WEll, accept for enlightening the people but most don't want to listen anyways.

[brooklyneast05]

I don't find it strange now. I mean, I don't know him, I don't if he's beleived in god once in his life. I don't kknow anything. And I don't feel its the same with witches and what not but I suppose to you it could be. The way he's playing off the church [I think that would be the catholic church im not sure tho] kinda sounds like he's angry with it for some reason Idk cuz I don't care much to look into it.

well, it depends on the witch. i'm talking about one that actually would run around performing real magical spells and what not. i don't think those exist anymore than any other made up character. i'm not talking about crazy women who run around claiming they are witches. lol

well being angry with the church, or speaking out against the church doesn't mean he has to believe in god to have an opinion to voice about it. i don't think he's trying to convert anyone, and if he is i don't think he'll do a good job of that with this movie. i agree with u that the people who protest it are stupid.

when people say stories like these and harry potter come from the devil, it's almost laughable. i love harry potter, if the devil wrote that, he did a damn good job, i'd give him props on that one!

[puppydgtails]

Why does everyone seem to think I'm trying to convince people to boycott this movie. Is pointing out articles on the movie or typing my opinions based on what I know before seeing the movie a boycott. NO it's just merely an opinion, and that's it.

I have no desires to allow my child to see it, one because of age, and two becuase I would prefer to see it before I allow her to watch it to make sure it's even okay afte rlal the hype about it. I probably will see it eventually, but I also have no desire to see it in the movie theatre and can wait till DVD. I haven't seen Narnia or LOTR or anything along those lines only because they aren't my thing.

As for the "In God We Trust" the only reason I think it's pathetic that it's even in the court system is because it's been on our money forever, leave it alone. LIke someone else mentioned, I don't even look at my money other then to make sure I'm grabbing the correct change or dollar bill. Half the time I don't look at anything other than a number. And as far as the Pledge of Allegiance goes, "one nation under God" is not representing one God, or just a Christian God. Some people beleive in Buddha and Allah and all those other religious Gods. Who ever said I was referencing it to mean One Christian God? You can beleive in any God you choose.

So many are quick to point out they can do what they want, when they want and how they want... and your right you can, just as much as I can sit here and debate this topic.... after all this is a forum isn't it?

So to clarify, I have neither pointed out if I am religious or not, if I beleive in magical powers or not, nor have I tried to persuade anyone of you reading this to boycott the movie. I could care less. I hope you all enjoy it really. I hope that the horrible hype it is getting is false. But I do know that the man is an atheist. That is fact, and that is all I was tryign to point out in the first place to the very first girl who posed the question if it was true that the movie had anything to do with aetheism. The movie itself may or may not... the writer who wrote it does.

So who is going to see the movie this weekend, and share all about it with us. I'm interested to know!

[Peanups]

Exactly! so i don't see why the catholic church is lashing back in sucha violent manner. Its just a movie, a fiction pile of talking pictures.

I think this is due to since the movie is primarily aimed towards kids, and kids are more naive and tend to "soak in" everything they hear and see.

[Call911Quick]

I think people ignored my post?

I'm a Christian and I saw no anti-Christ allusions in the movie. Perhaps I wasn't looking hard enough. But if it takes analysis to see the Aethist symbolism in the movie, I doubt little kids would get it.

[brooklyneast05]

^exactly

Why does everyone seem to think I'm trying to convince people to boycott this movie. Is pointing out articles on the movie or typing my opinions based on what I know before seeing the movie a boycott. NO it's just merely an opinion, and that's it.

I have no desires to allow my child to see it, one because of age, and two becuase I would prefer to see it before I allow her to watch it to make sure it's even okay afte rlal the hype about it. I probably will see it eventually, but I also have no desire to see it in the movie theatre and can wait till DVD. I haven't seen Narnia or LOTR or anything along those lines only because they aren't my thing.

i don't know who thinks u are trying to boycott the movie, we've all just said those who do are idiots.

As for the "In God We Trust" the only reason I think it's pathetic that it's even in the court system is because it's been on our money forever, leave it alone. LIke someone else mentioned, I don't even look at my money other then to make sure I'm grabbing the correct change or dollar bill. Half the time I don't look at anything other than a number. And as far as the Pledge of Allegiance goes, "one nation under God" is not representing one God, or just a Christian God. Some people beleive in Buddha and Allah and all those other religious Gods. Who ever said I was referencing it to mean One Christian God? You can beleive in any God you choose.

god...singular...gods...plural.

if u don't even look at the money, then why will it matter if a phrase that doesn't support the separation of church and state be taken off? why should we leave it there because it's been there for a long time, how about we put the actual national motto that was originally there FIRST.

So many are quick to point out they can do what they want, when they want and how they want... and your right you can, just as much as I can sit here and debate this topic.... after all this is a forum isn't it?

someone said u couldn't debate it?


i'm not going to see the movie

[StandardEdition]

Why does everyone seem to think I'm trying to convince people to boycott this movie. Is pointing out articles on the movie or typing my opinions based on what I know before seeing the movie a boycott. NO it's just merely an opinion, and that's it.

Who said we were talking about you?
I don't think you were encouraging people to boycott this movie.
I saw it as an opinion I doubt anyone else saw it as a sign to boycott.
Chill out.

[LoveToMySilas]

I mean there a lot of movies dedicated to Christianity and other religions. Why not Athiest as well? This movie just seems to dolled up for me. TOO many fantasy movies.

[dannyordinary]

If this is selling atheism, then what is the church selling?

It's all a marketing stunt to me, and they are all in this together
(conspiracy theory, hehe)

[Joss-eh-lime]

It's not religious.

The way I see it, is the church reacting to something they can't control. Fortunately, the church doesn't rule the world today so we can be able to say what we please and beleive in whatever. I see the people boycotting this as stupid, but I can see why they are boycotting it. To stand for their beleifs, if they are that religious they can boycott al they want but they aren't rly going to stop anyone from seeing it. This is the same story wi th Harry Potter, insecure christians say Harry Potter was from the devil. Its a ton of bs but either way we cant rly do anything about it. WEll, accept for enlightening the people but most don't want to listen anyways.

it has to do with church and i think that is religious.

[kryogenix]

I think people ignored my post?

I'm a Christian and I saw no anti-Christ allusions in the movie. Perhaps I wasn't looking hard enough. But if it takes analysis to see the Aethist symbolism in the movie, I doubt little kids would get it.

Perhaps you're the naive type that is the exact target of this type of film?

Pullman has said flat out that his books are for selling atheism to kids and it is about killing God. There is no denying it. Come on, the bad guys are called the Magisterium.

That said, from what I've seen and heard, it looks interesting. I like the steampunk themes too. I think I want to read the books first though, because supposedly the movie is bombing in theaters right now and getting pretty meh reviews.

[*Steven*]

Perhaps you're the naive type that is the exact target of this type of film?

Pullman has said flat out that his books are for selling atheism to kids and it is about killing God. There is no denying it. Come on, the bad guys are called the Magisterium.

That said, from what I've seen and heard, it looks interesting. I like the steampunk themes too. I think I want to read the books first though, because supposedly the movie is bombing in theaters right now and getting pretty meh reviews.

3 part series right? I heard in the third book something deathly scary happens... TO GOD

[kryogenix]

Yeah, I too have heard that the anti Catholic aspect of the books aren't that apparent until the third book. Though the future of the film series is in question due to the poor performance of this first film. $200 million budget and they've only made back $25 million so far.

[*Steven*]

Damn, I had intentions of going to see it but maybe I'll just read it instead and download it later.

[missnh]

Yes, kind of like how reading Harry Potter will turn in you into a witch.

[*Steven*]

It will. I got a zit on my nose from reading it. Clearly a sign of being a witch.

[brooklyneast05]

i saw this movie last night, it was eh, okay i guess. i'm going to read the books though.

[superstitious]

Yes, kind of like how reading Harry Potter will turn in you into a witch.

My older brother's wife (they are Mormon) refuses to let their children read anything like Harry Potter because of "witch craft". It's unfortunate, not because they're missing out on prolific writing necessarily, but because they are being so heavily guarded.

My sister (who is also Mormon) sent me the big "OH NO IT PROMOTES ATHIEISM" forward a few weeks ago. I love my family but for goodness sake, take things for face value will you? I wish that people would just enjoy literature instead of finding something evil with just about everything.

[Spirited Away]

Atheism promotes itself; there's not need for books, movies or anything else.

[*Steven*]

My older brother's wife (they are Mormon) refuses to let their children read anything like Harry Potter because of "witch craft". It's unfortunate, not because they're missing out on prolific writing necessarily, but because they are being so heavily guarded.

My sister (who is also Mormon) sent me the big "OH NO IT PROMOTES ATHIEISM" forward a few weeks ago. I love my family but for goodness sake, take things for face value will you? I wish that people would just enjoy literature instead of finding something evil with just about everything.

Are the Mormon's the polygamists? Or is that the joho's?