Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong? Options

[Spirited Away]

The person who said that we're all saints for being open minded (I forgot who...) well, I meant that in the sense that they just can't bring themselves to deal with all the problems...I know for a fact everyone is closed minded, but I said the racism behind a lot of people's remarks about gays can be disgusting. If that makes any sense to anyone, then they understood what I'm trying to say. If not, tough luck.

*Raises Hand*, that was me.

I never once said that gays were disgusting, I'm not so judgemental that I lack respect for another human being. I said it was morally wrong, but you know what, a lot of things are morally wrong these days.

It was you people that said "closed minded people are disgusting". And that sounded so hypocritically ignorant that I had to say something about it.

NOT agreeing with homosexuals' way of life IS NOT THE SAME AS RACISM. You may call it discrimination, but there is a difference. I'm sure you can say that you do not agree with some other people's way of life as well.

What about incest? Can you stand it? I cannot, but that's just me and my discriminating, closed minded, disgusting point of views. I'm sure you're a paragon of virtues and can accept anything and everything. More power to you.

[Kitsune_black666]

*sigh* As much as I hate to admit this online, I think I might have to. I honestly have no problem with anyone's sexual preferences, incest or anything else for that matter. Maybe it's just because I'm a cold individual, but I just believe we should all live and let live. (I also think humans live too long, but that's a whole nother story) I don't care what they do. Hell, I don't even know what being discrimatory feels like. Just the same as no one knows why gays are gays, I have no idea why I am what I am.


I don't expect anyone to believe that, but it's true. I don't give a damn about very much, if anything.

[Spirited Away]

But that's good for you, because it is how things should be, and I completely agree and respect you for being able to accept the world as it should be, if that's truly the case.

However, remember that everyone holds a different opinion on how things should be. If everyone gets his/her way, then there would be chaos and disorder, that is why we all need to maintain a semblence of control over our wants and needs. No one can have everything that they want.

[CrimsonArchangel]

No one has yet to prove whether or not homosexuals are born that way or they chose to be that way. There is no adequate evidence of either.

Agree. There is no scientific proof of either, but... in my opinion, it is morally wrong....

[onenonly101]

No one has yet to prove whether or not homosexuals are born that way or they chose to be that way. There is no adequate evidence of either.

Well i believe in God and The Bible and God did not make people gay, just as God did not make people cheat steal and lie. It is all sins and it is all things that we choose to do, temptations we choose to follow

[Spirited Away]

There isn't proof that God didn't create them that way, is there? I wonder if it specifically states that in the Bible. You would have to help me out here as I don't have a Bible on hand... and I wouldn't know where to look.

[onenonly101]

it does not say gays are made/created. but being gay is the same sin as lying or cheating. God views all sins equally wrong and bad and God does not create us with sin in us. We are made i nthe image of God therefore we are not made with sin in us.

[Mini]

in the bible, i think it says it is detestable to be with a man. but its only detestable to oneself, so i would think it wouldn't be wrong.

being human is the right to choose. that's our power, our gift, and our curse.

[onenonly101]

in the bible, i think it says it is detestable to be with a man. but its only detestable to oneself, so i would think it wouldn't be wrong.

huh? are yo usaying yo don't think it isn't wrong according to the bible?

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

God created men and women to have for one another. Let me say here that God loves all homosexuals! However, He hates the deeds of homosexuality because they are sinful. God did not create any human being as a homosexual. They are not born that way, just as murderers are not born that way.People become homosexuals because they yield to abnorml acts or lust.

[xoirene]

i think it's wrong because women and suppose to go with men and that's just how everything is and should be, but that doesn't mean i hate homosexuals, i just don't believe in what they do.

[LiNHy POO]

i dont mind them at all... though it is agaisnt the nature... i think its ok for them to be who they are... if they are comfortable in their own sexuality.. we should be ok with it!

[Gypsy Eyes]

No one has yet to prove whether or not homosexuals are born that way or they chose to be that way. There is no adequate evidence of either.

actually it has been proven that they are born with a special gene

and really, everyone is going on about the bible stating its wrong, but the bible is just a book

[Kitsune_black666]

The Bible really is just a book. If you were to folow it exactly, there'd be child abusers everywhere, everyone who had pre-marriage sex would be stoned to death and the world would self distruct if it stopped for a day. Obviously, I'm not a believer. And I still don't care if a person is gay or not. One of my best friends is and I don't get on her case. Why should I? I've known her for years.

[iheartsimba]

I htink it's fine and I hate people dissing on gays or lesbians. THEY CAN'T HELP WHO THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO. It's hormones...you know? I odn't see anything wrong with it. I think it's wrong seeing guys encourage girls to be lesb. because it should be there own meaningful choice but I mean they are just like us.

[iheartsimba]

btw, the bible was just made up by a bunch of guys with theries. really. god didn't sit down and right that.

[onenonly101]

The Bible was not made up anyways this is not the topic for that

[onenonly101]

The Bible really is just a book. If you were to folow it exactly, there'd be child abusers everywhere, everyone who had pre-marriage sex would be stoned to death and the world would self distruct if it stopped for a day. Obviously, I'm not a believer. And I still don't care if a person is gay or not. One of my best friends is and I don't get on her case. Why should I? I've known her for years.

The Bible is not just a book, if you would read it both old and new testament you would know no one would be stoned. You can't just read a few passages from one book and take you conclusion

[Spirited Away]

And I hate people who say that they will hate those who are against gay marriages. If you believe in gay marriages then you must believe in the freedom to think however you want.

You must understand that not everyone is as 'open-minded' as you are, nor is everyone as 'worldly', therefore there will be oppositions. It's part of life, nothing is made easy. If you can't understand that, then there's no point to an arguement.

I " '' " the words open minded and worldly because I was being sarcastic by the way.

[Kitsune_black666]

the whole thing about the bible being just a book came from years and years of being at a catholic school and that is the conclusion I drew.

[Spirited Away]

What if a person is against gay marriages and the act of sodomy (but not the homosexual themselves) and the same person has never believed in the Bible?

Are you still hateful/disliking that person for their belief? Edit: if so, you're no better than that person.

[Lena]

And I hate people who say that they will hate those who are against gay marriages. If you believe in gay marriages then you must believe in the freedom to think however you want.

You must understand that not everyone is as 'open-minded' as you are, nor is everyone as 'worldly', therefore there will be oppositions. It's part of life, nothing is made easy. If you can't understand that, then there's no point to an arguement.

I " '' " the words open minded and worldly because I was being sarcastic by the way.

Well I'd reckon that people are able to understand sarcasm...or do you not do the sarcasm thing too often? Or are you too narrow minded to believe that people are intelligent.

On the other hand you do have a point that often times people have people who are against gay marriages...however...."If you believe in gay marriages then you must believe in the freedom to think however you want" that's untrue...I believe in liberal ideals...not in the freedom to think however you want. It's similar in a way...but it's more of being against traditional views then believing that people should have the freedom to think however you want. But the fact of the matter is the "freedom to think however you want" is basically granted in every form of government...but the freedom to express what you think isn't always available. I won't hold back and I'll just blatantly criticize you since you're walking around mind me with a pitchfork up your ass admitting it all...cause you can just think the exact opposite of me. But the only flaw I see in your arguement is that "then you must believe in the freedom to think however you want"...well isn't that a little thing call democracy my dear...and as far as I'm concerned it's why we had all those bloody wars with the british...that nice olive branch petition and the fun rioting that later went underway...so that we can express what we think. Are you saying that because you don't support homosexuality you don't support the freedom to think however you want? Cause even communists have the ability to think whatever they want...but they can't express it in even in a constructive way when it's against the beliefs of their leaders...yes I know I am getting kind of redundant...but don't attack people and hate them and then contradict the doctrines of the country (that I am assuming that you are from) as well. Sorry...I just had so much fun writting this up. I'm such a nerd!

[Spirited Away]

Well I'd reckon that people are able to understand sarcasm...or do you not do the sarcasm thing too often?  Or are you too narrow minded to believe that people are intelligent. 

Well, maybe the same of my 'narrow mindedness' is true for you, after all you couldn't even detect that the very last bit in that post was as sarcastic was the first part of it.

On the other hand you do have a point that often times people have people who are against gay marriages...however...."If you believe in gay marriages then you must believe in the freedom to think however you want" that's untrue...

Truths are overrated and overstated. Your truths may not be the same as mine. But I do admit that I was careless in stating that, but I do have the facts to back it up in this certain debate.

I believe in liberal ideals...not in the freedom to think however you want.  It's similar in a way...but it's more of being against traditional views then believing that people should have the freedom to think however you want.  But the fact of the matter is the "freedom to think however you want" is basically granted in every form of government...but the freedom to express what you think isn't always available.

But in our case, it is. Who's going to stop me from saying that I do not like sodomy? Who's going to stop me from saying that I believe gay marriages is morally wrong? If it is my 'truth' then who are you to change them?

For you to dictate how should I feel is just as 'wrong' as I saying that gay marriages is wrong. Once again, proving that we're all on equal grounds, hypocites alike. Don't be shy to admit it.

I won't hold back and I'll just blatantly criticize you since you're walking around mind me with a pitchfork up your ass admitting it all...cause you can just think the exact opposite of me.     But the only flaw I see in your arguement is that "then you must believe in the freedom to think however you want"...

Catch the one flaw that is irrelevant to the arguement is fine with me, though it is a waste of time for me to read such criticism. Are you critiquing my opposition on gay rights or are you critiquing a slight in wording while arguing and being half awake? (Some people work for a living, and working make people tired).

well isn't that a little thing call democracy my dear...and as far as I'm concerned it's why we had all those bloody wars with the british...that nice olive branch petition and the fun rioting that later went underway...so that we can express what we think.  Are you saying that because you don't support homosexuality you don't support the freedom to think however you want? 

Do you not see your own contradiction? In so many words, you said that the freedom to express isn't as readily available as the freedom to think. Acting and thinking are obviously TWO DIFFERENT things, genius.

I specifically said that I believe sodomy to be morally wrong, which is only a thought brought forth because of a debate. However, homosexuals "express" their way of thinking.

So who is in the wrong here? The one who is thinking, which is me, or the ones who are expressing/acting out their way of thinking?

Such obvious contradictions you think of are not worth my time.

Cause even communists have the ability to think whatever they want...but they can't express it in even in a constructive way when it's against the beliefs of their leaders...yes I know I am getting kind of redundant...but don't attack people and hate them and then contradict the doctrines of the country (that I am assuming that you are from) as well.  Sorry...I just had so much fun writting this up.    I'm such a nerd! 

Kindly explain the doctrine that states homosexuals are free to be homosexuals, if there is such. Maybe I'm missing out on something, if so, do forgive my lack of knowledge.

If you mean "the right to pursue happiness", please think again. Remember that everyone has a right to do just that, unless one person's pursue of happiness tramples on another's right. You lose your right as soon as your right hurts mine.

Simple, isn't it? Nerds usually think before they speak.




EDIT>> By the way, before anyone else gets on my case: sometimes, there's nothing wrong with being immoral or 'wrong'. But even if you're 'right', it doesn't mean that I have to agree with your perception of what is 'right' and 'wrong'.
Just as you are entitle to being 'right', I am entitled to that as well.

As with the case of beauty, rightness or wrongness (in the sense of morality) is in the eye of the beholder. <<EDIT

[kesey]

You can't just read a few passages from one book and take you conclusion

I'm sorry. I just registered to reply to this.

Concluding something from just a few passages? Isn't that precisely what you're doing? I assure you that in the Bible, you won't find more than a handful of passages regarding homosexuality.

[pimpin231]

actually it has been proven that they are born with a special gene

and really, everyone is going on about the bible stating its wrong, but the bible is just a book

fudge that you choose to be gay

[Spirited Away]

actually it has been proven that they are born with a special gene

Really? I haven't heard about it. The last time I checked on these things, there was still controversy about the nature of homosexuality. I would appreciate it if you can provide a link or article that would clear this up.