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HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE
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post Nov 18 2007, 02:59 PM
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ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.


Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
 
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libertie
post Nov 21 2007, 11:30 PM
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Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(libertie @ Nov 21 2007, 11:30 PM) *
Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.


Please. If you don't like this thread, kindly don't click on it. It's that easy. It's not being forced on you or anyone else, so please leave. It does reach people. Sorry if you don't agree. If you don't like the thread, you are free to ignore it.
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:45 PM
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who's it reaching?
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:49 PM
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Unfortunately, you don't get that luxury. Sorry. This being a public forum, if someone posts a topic, people will read it, and people tend to talk about it if they don't like a topic. You as the topic starter can take all feedback, good and bad, although it appears that you aren't getting much of the positive.

I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better. rolleyes.gif

Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(libertie @ Nov 21 2007, 10:49 PM) *
Unfortunately, you don't get that luxury. Sorry. This being a public forum, if someone posts a topic, people will read it, and people tend to talk about it if they don't like a topic. You as the topic starter can take all feedback, good and bad, although it appears that you aren't getting much of the positive.

I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better. rolleyes.gif

Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.


My take on it is if he's free to do what he wants with this thread(preach, whatnot) others should be free to do what they want in this thread (oppose his ideals or point out his mistakes).

I'm too lazy to read long posts, too. Though I got bored this evening a wrote a long response myself.
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:54 PM
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Yeah but I actually read your post. xD I read about the first sentence of every other paragraph in his. It's all the same stuff I've heard a million times and I guess my heart is too hard to accept truth and make the right decision. shrug.gif
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:55 PM
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This isn't really a debate at all.
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.
 
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post Nov 21 2007, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(libertie @ Nov 21 2007, 10:54 PM) *
Yeah but I actually read your post. xD I read about the first sentence of every other paragraph in his. It's all the same stuff I've heard a million times and I guess my heart is too hard to accept truth and make the right decision. shrug.gif

You're right. I've heard it a million times, too, and it never "reached" me. People don't understand that there are things that others are meant to accept, find out, or form beliefs on their own. But whatever floats people's boats, I guess. It does get annoying though, right?

QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 21 2007, 10:55 PM) *
This isn't really a debate at all.
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.

Nods.
 
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post Nov 22 2007, 11:26 AM
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Obviously, you still have an interest in it because you clicked on it. The Lord hasn't given up on you. The problem is that you need to be willing to open your heart to God. That's why some people can't come to God, because they aren't willing to humble themselves and open their hearts to Him.

He lumps the fearful and unbelieving in with the murderers, liars and such.


Re 21:8 (NKJV) "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


 
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post Nov 22 2007, 02:13 PM
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I truly do not see how this is a debate. It's just a somewhat bizarre Christian forcing his beliefs down others' throats and is getting kicked in the butt for it.

I'll leave it here for a while and monitor the outcome. If it remains the way it is (which I'm sure it will) it'll be moved back to the el loungeo.

Anyway, don't mind me. CONTINUE KICKING HIS BUTT GUYS!!
 
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post Nov 22 2007, 03:31 PM
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What's OBVIOUS is that people will click on anything and everything in this forum, even spam/advertisement. You're OBVIOUSLY new to this forum and haven't been able to figure that out, but soon enough it will be quite OBVIOUS to you.

Did you purposely ignore my rebuttal post on the second page? Well, to summarize, can you give me a quote from the Bible where it says you're saved by faith alone? The Bible isn't new to me, but what you're saying about faith being the only step in salvation is.

Anyway, happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and everyone!
 
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post Nov 22 2007, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Nov 22 2007, 03:31 PM) *
Did you purposely ignore my rebuttal post on the second page? Well, to summarize, can you give me a quote from the Bible where it says you're saved by faith alone? The Bible isn't new to me, but what you're saying about faith being the only step in salvation is.


AHAHAHAHAHAHA I see the Catholic Church is starting to rub off on you.
 
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post Nov 22 2007, 03:53 PM
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Yea, yea. Haha, I started going to church with my brother and his wife, plus I do some volunteer work at church anyway. Let's not forget that my cousin's a nun.

Haha, *SHHHHH* you.
 
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post Nov 22 2007, 09:14 PM
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i don't think he meant any harm. he wasn't trying to offend anybody. take it easy, guys. besides, i don't understand why so many people who don't believe in God even posted in this thread in the first place. if u don't believe in God, then getting to heaven is of no concern to you. so you shouldn't bash him for sharing some information with those of us who might want to know what he has to say.

and....
what's the debate?
 
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post Nov 22 2007, 10:22 PM
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^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?
 
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post Nov 23 2007, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Nov 22 2007, 08:22 PM) *
^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?


^True

I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke. How do we know that the real way to heaven. Sounds like BS to me. It's cute to read but not taken seriously imo.
 
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QUOTE(1angel3 @ Nov 23 2007, 01:41 AM) *
^True

I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke.

lol exactly. it's completely one sided and the only question is "WHY R U POSTING IN HERE! UGH, GO 2 HELL!!" or.. something like that.

there are so many better religion debates
 
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post Nov 23 2007, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 19 2007, 12:21 AM) *
You are not God. This does NOT guarantee getting into Heaven. The Bible says that false prophets have a special place reserved for them in Hell, and will be thrown away along with Lucifer and his demons.

Have fun.


Haha. this person is not a false prophet. A prophet tells of the future. This person does not. He tells of God's word.

As for my opinion. Why should I put faith into a theological dictatorship with unfair rules and regulations, when I don't believe that socialism or communism is correct? He gives us a free will, but toys with the idea of a all knowing being. Or another example of free will is that God allows us to do as we choose, but in the end, it's either His way or go to Hell. Whose to say that Christianity is 'the' true religion? Not you. Not anyone. It's a belief that some one had about a man, who claimed to be the son of god. What, he did miracles? What miracles? What evidence is there that he actually performed miracles? It's just hear-say.

They say that you will find peace in Jesus, but in all honesty, I've never felt worse than I did while accepting the Christian faith.

QUOTE(libertie @ Nov 21 2007, 11:30 PM) *
Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.


In all fairness, Christians are suppost to tell others about their faith. It's on their souls if they don't tell anyone about Jesus Christ.

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post Nov 23 2007, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Nov 23 2007, 01:54 AM) *
Haha. this person is not a false prophet. A prophet tells of the future. This person does not. He tells of God's word.


False prophet doesn't mean just people who tell the future. It's also for common people who twist God's word into a different meaning, or changes things.
 
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post Nov 23 2007, 09:32 PM
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In all fairness, Christians are suppost to tell others about their faith. It's on their souls if they don't tell anyone about Jesus Christ.


I was RAISED to believe this. I've heard that exact statement at least a thousand times in my lifetime. It's all good and well if that's what they believe. I personally tend to walk away when they "try their hands" at me, but whatever. What I was saying was that he wasn't being some big, bold christian witness by spreading the word over the internet. Copying and pasting something on various forums to people you'll never come in contact with does NOT show courage. IMO, it's pretty lazy, and if he thinks THAT makes up for what other christians do out on the streets, he is mistaken.

Also, what Podomaht said about false prophets is absolutely correct. A preacher who stands in front of a congregation and misleads them in any way is considered a false prophet. The same goes for anyone who is spreading false information about christianity or, as he explained, twisting the meaning of scripture.
 
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QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Nov 22 2007, 10:22 PM) *
^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?



NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.
 
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QUOTE(SoEffinMajor @ Nov 23 2007, 09:34 PM) *
NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.


He's not enlightening anyone.
 
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post Nov 23 2007, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Nov 21 2007, 11:45 PM) *
who's it reaching?


Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?
 
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I'm sorry, and this is meant to be in no way offensive, but that statistic is absurd and there's nothing to back it up. How did you come up with this measurement?
 
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QUOTE(xfrodobagginsx @ Nov 23 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?

And you're making 9/10 people pissed off at Christianity.
 

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