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Being sucessful
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post Oct 28 2007, 02:01 AM
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__________________________________You versus People

If your wrap your heart tightly, you'll preserve less memories.
And, you'll less likely have to deal with a bond between 2 people regardless of any relationship such as friends, couples, or anybody. In other word, don't open your heart, just harden it. And, you'll suffer less.

That's a formula to personal academic success.
It can turn people to be sucessful in their studies such as doing well in high school.

If you let yourself loosely, open yourself up
You're vulnerable to get hurt
You're easily distracted by bond between you and the person.

At the same time, your pride crippled, isn't it true? You start to fail work … and slowly weakened.


what are your thoughts about this philosophy?
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 07:33 AM
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First off, being hurt is an important part of life where you can learn and grow stronger from it, so I really don't see what you're talking about.

We don't want to become like the Eloi's from H.G Well's "Time Machine."
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 07:42 AM
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By the by, there's no real correlation with being hurt and being successful.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 10:57 AM
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Do you mean like, ignorance is bliss? I mean successful from that can work both ways. shrug.gif But one must learn from their mistakes in order to reach their full potential.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 11:09 AM
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hopped on that emo train, did you?


pain is a necessity for growth. if you walk through life trying your hardest not to feel anything, you'll become... simple. you don't want to be simple. being successful requires strength of will and a life-hardened heart. you'll hardly get that by living in an emotional bubble every day.

by the way, the first step to success is spelling success correctly.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 01:37 PM
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emo train? HAHA. no, trish !

Generally, students who are very intelligent and does well in school lacks communication. They avoided people; usually don’t have a well-rounded/down-to-earth personality.

These people totally focus on their work, getting what they wanted, and avoiding others at the same time. They don’t connect with others. Yes, they do give attitude if they're helping others on homework who aren’t as smart as them.

Does that make them selfish? All they care is about themselves by getting their own things done, not showing some generosity or gratitude.

… or, that’s not selfish because they choose not to talk to others?

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moderator, good point. i never realize that.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(Fist @ Oct 28 2007, 02:37 PM) *
emo train? HAHA. no, trish !

Generally, students who are very intelligent and does well in school lacks communication. They avoided people; usually don’t have a well-rounded/down-to-earth personality.

These people totally focus on their work, getting what they wanted, and avoiding others at the same time. They don’t connect with others. Yes, they do give attitude if they're helping others on homework who aren’t as smart as them.

Does that make them selfish? All they care is about themselves by getting their own things done, not showing some generosity or gratitude.

… or, that’s not selfish because they choose not to talk to others?

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moderator, good point. i never realize that.

look.

you're talking about general geniuses who have a huge IQ level and it's to the point where they aren't very socially-capable.

yes, but we're talking about the average person, aren't we? besides, geniuses aren't really successful.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 02:56 PM
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we are talking about average people o_o

i'm talking about average hard-working people who are sucessful.

My definition of "success" is a person who works hard, get high grades, and manage everything well. Yes, they are normal people.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(Fist @ Oct 28 2007, 03:56 PM) *
we are talking about average people o_o

i'm talking about average hard-working people who are sucessful.

My definition of "success" is a person who works hard, get high grades, and manage everything well. Yes, they are normal people.

getting good grades does not secure a successful future. lots of guys i know that were valedictorians are out of a job right now.
 
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post Oct 28 2007, 11:05 PM
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I think vulnerability is a good thing. shrug.gif but thats just me.
 
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post Oct 29 2007, 05:32 PM
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Ok, so we're talking about the average person. If you harden yourself from relationships, society, the world, whatever, would you really "enjoy" (that would probably be subjective) your life if work was the only thing you focussed on?
 
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post Oct 29 2007, 09:58 PM
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You would enjoy your life by doing things for yourself.

Podomaht, i really don't know to explain this. It's something like; successful people are just ... extremely hard-working people who work toward their goals, have plans, and ambitious.


someone picked a good word, vulnerablity. _smile.gif

yeah, i'm talking about sucessful people who arent very vulnerable.
 
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post Oct 29 2007, 10:00 PM
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so you can't be in a relationship and be extremely hard working and set goals for your own life?

because im in a relationship and i consider myself extremely successful, and I DIDN'T get good grades, but i DID get high SAT scores, and I became an art director at 20.

your opinion is based... on what exactly?
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 12:42 AM
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lol. that's so me. :/
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(Fist @ Oct 28 2007, 11:37 AM) *
emo train? HAHA. no, trish !

Generally, students who are very intelligent and does well in school lacks communication. They avoided people; usually don’t have a well-rounded/down-to-earth personality.

These people totally focus on their work, getting what they wanted, and avoiding others at the same time. They don’t connect with others. Yes, they do give attitude if they're helping others on homework who aren’t as smart as them.


being successful does not solely center around academics. who cares if you graduated from Harvard cum laude if you cannot interact with other human beings? people skills are just as vital if not MORE vital than academic skills. if you can't deal with co-workers or cannot handle your boss, then you're fired. and that's that.

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y definition of "success" is a person who works hard, get high grades, and manage everything well. Yes, they are normal people.


I understand this is your definition, but you might want to reevaluate your perception on "success". If i flunked out of all my classes in high school but started a company that flourished in a brief amount of time, would you consider me unsuccessful because I didn't get "high grades?"
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 06:48 PM
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I’m ONLY talking about success that is involved with school.

And reread my previous post for a better reevaluation.

how can you flunk all your classes and have a great business?
Unless, you have a relative that helps you. well, that's not the point.
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 06:51 PM
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I don't have a degree. By the time I was ready for school (college), I had a baby.

My point is, I consider myself successful regardless. Perhaps things might have been easier had I gone to school, but I don't consider myself losing out or being a failure because I haven't.
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(tripvertigo @ Oct 29 2007, 08:00 PM) *
so you can't be in a relationship and be extremely hard working and set goals for your own life?

because im in a relationship and i consider myself extremely successful, and I DIDN'T get good grades, but i DID get high SAT scores, and I became an art director at 20.

your opinion is based... on what exactly?


Exactly, i really can't explain it. It's not really "grades" that makes people successful.

I'm talking about students who have great performances, motives, and ability to take serious action regardless of natural intelligence.

You can be an intelligent person who doesn't do anything. I wouldn't consider this person to be "successful" ... unless, this person has a strong motive, goals, and ability to do things.


GPA/grades doesn't reflect the outlook of this person. GPA/grades is just a numerical representation of class requirement.



You can be in a relationship!
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(Fist @ Oct 30 2007, 07:48 PM) *
how can you flunk all your classes and have a great business?
Unless, you have a relative that helps you. well, that's not the point.
Uh, why not? Just because you flunk out of class doesn't mean you don't have good sense or good organizational skills or you can't meet deadlines or whatever. Maybe the education is terrible. Being book smart is nice but it means little if you can't be street smart (on your own, anyway). Education is important but it may not be for everyone.
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 07:29 PM
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Being sucessful is overrated.
 
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post Oct 30 2007, 07:48 PM
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uh i flunked my classes and business is going great for me. i freelance webdesign on the side and i have three other designers i outsource smaller scale tasks to. technically that's a business. i don't know if you realize this, but you are really starting to insult certain people, including myself. plus you're starting to contradict yourself too.
 
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post Oct 31 2007, 04:14 AM
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QUOTE(davinci @ Oct 30 2007, 07:14 PM) *
Uh, why not? Just because you flunk out of class doesn't mean you don't have good sense or good organizational skills or you can't meet deadlines or whatever. Maybe the education is terrible. Being book smart is nice but it means little if you can't be street smart (on your own, anyway). Education is important but it may not be for everyone.

lol i failed/close to failing a couple of my classes in high school but i think i have good organizational skills/can meet deadlines.
it was mostly math classes and history anyways. god i hate math.
although it sounds like i should be working in a fast food chain with that response. ermm.gif
 

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