school uniforms Options

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[quote=uninspiredfae,Jun 15 2004, 7:14 PM] I don't see how wearing bikinis or show-y clothes would be 'innocent'. I don't suppose kids who DO wear uniforms nowdays are really ciminals or sluts outside of school. [/quote]
I have never seen anyone wear a bikini to school. If they do, they should know they'd get suspended. That's what you do when someone's clothes are innapropriate.

[quote]If I wear a $100 skirt, I'm going to attract the wrong kind of friends. [/quote]

No, you won't attract friends if you aren't cool enough to wear that skirt. Don't think that just because you buy all the clothes the cool kids do, you'll be cool. I don't mean YOU, but people in general. You have to be what you wear. You wear what you are.

[quote]That is to prove that first impressions are important. Liking to wear revealing clothes may suggests that she needs to show off her body so people will tell her: "you're so hot"... etc. [/quote]

that may be what you feel... and that's too bad.

[quote]When walk pass someone in school, I'm not going to corner them and say "hey, I really want to get to know you for who you are, and not for the person that your clothes suggest".[/quote]

do you REALLY think that there would be social equality of everyone had uniforms??

[quote]Standing out is one thing, but standing out and creating a distraction for other kids who are there to learn is another thing. Stand out at the MALL, stand out at the skating rink, stand out at the PARK. You go to school to learn, not to show your sense of style. [/quote]

you also go to school to develop social skills, that's why you are placed in a social environment. i guess you don't think so, but maybe that's your problem?

[quote]Can you imagine? A girl who can show off her body is good.. I guess, but then there are those who will be intimidated. They'll think "why can't I have a body like hers?" "Why can't I afford those expensive clothes that she wears?". This is going to distract them from what matters: getting an education.[/quote]

Oh I see, so if they wear uniforms their BODIES are the same too?

[quote]If a girl wears short-shorts in class, do you think the boys will really pay attention to the teacher?[/quote]

If a girl has a pretty face in class, or big breasts, do you really think boys would pay attention to the teacher? Maybe in your perfect world, everyone would be homeschooled so that instead of being kids, socializing, etc., they LEARN.

[quote]So instead of being judged on your clothes AND your body AND your personality, you'll only have to deal with two problems instead of THREE. It, at least, take away one problem for you. [/quote]

You may have misunderstood my quote. You aren't judged by those three at the same time (although if you have great all three than you are). You are judged by one at a time. At least you can change the clothes you wear if it makes you happier.

[quote]Do you suppose private schools regulations are like those of the USSR?[/quote]

what a great question, of course i don't think they are like that of the USSR. Why? Because the USSR doesn't exist anymore.

[quote]I mean, I'm sure kids in private schools are not THAT bothered with uniforms, are they?  [/quote]

Yes, they are. Many don't attend because they have uniforms.

[quote]All of the kids were like that?  Or was just a few?[/quote]

more than that of public schools, and don't challenge me on that.

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EDIT:: Why does it has to be like the USSR? Most of Japan's schools require unifoms. [/quote]

It's a good thing my mom grew up in Japan. She tells me of how the kids were never allowed to be themselves, but they were to be thought of as a part of Japan. That is why they had to wear uniforms. Not only did they have to wear uniforms, they have to walk together in a straight, uniform line to school. During the summer, ALL japanese citizens have to wake up at 6am to do "Radio Aerobics," so every Japanese can look like the ideal. If you worship that kind of life, move there. But that type of life has damaged my mother in many ways, and I am a firsthand witness to that. It affected the way she views things, the way she lives her life.

[Spirited Away]

[quote=TBoltzbabe,Jun 15 2004, 9:56 PM] I have never seen anyone wear a bikini to school.  If they do, they should know they'd get suspended.  That's what you do when someone's clothes are innapropriate. [/quote]
You've never seen it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. How do we define what's appropriate? I mean if that's the way a person want to 'express' themselves and uniform isn't an option then what?

[quote]No, you won't attract friends if you aren't cool enough to wear that skirt.  Don't think that just because you buy all the clothes the cool kids do, you'll be cool.  I don't mean YOU, but people in general.  You have to be what you wear.  You wear what you are.[/quote]
Then you would be surprised at how many people would befriend someone for what they appear to be. There are too many instances where clothes/cars/overall style 'impress' strangers and make them want to be 'friends' with that person.

[quote]that may be what you feel... and that's too bad.[/quote]
I don't see anything 'bad' about it. If they didn't want me to think that way, then they shouldn't have worn that kind of revealing clothes to SCHOOL. I mean any where else would be fine, but to SCHOOL? Seem kind of outrageous.

[quote]do you REALLY think that there would be social equality of everyone had uniforms??[/quote]
Did I say that? No. I said I wouldn't corner a person into the wall and 'get to know' him/her when I think that his/her clothes do not tell me about the person.

[quote]you also go to school to develop social skills, that's why you are placed in a social environment.  i guess you don't think so, but maybe that's your problem?[/quote]
Private schools achieve the same thing. Many people are sucessful graduating from from a private institution. I don't think I have a problem either as I agree that school is a place to develope social skills. Social skills require mostly how you talk/act/deal with situations, it would seem shallow that your are 'social skills' scored on how well you dressed. If you're wearing a uniform then people would pay attention more to what you have to say instead of what you wear.

[quote]Oh I see, so if they wear uniforms their BODIES are the same too?[/quote]
Did I say that? No, I said somewhere along the lines of clothes can intimidate people. It would make a shabby dressed guy (because he can't afford anything better) feel poor standing next to someone who has on armani or A/X. It shouldn't be that way in school, it should be who has more merit.

[quote]If a girl has a pretty face in class, or big breasts, do you really think boys would pay attention to the teacher?  Maybe in your perfect world, everyone would be homeschooled so that instead of being kids, socializing, etc., they LEARN.[/quote]
Lets say that pretty girl already cause enough distractions. Now, imagine that the distraction could be double if the girl come to class with revealing clothes.

My world isn't perfect, Michelle. I just do not want my kids (when I have them) to have to deal with shallow social injustices, the lesser the better. I've worked with parents who can't afford anything but 'goodwill' clothes for their kids, it's disgustingly sad to have to hear them wish for better clothes to wear to school while their parents don't even make enough for the month's rent.

[quote]You may have misunderstood my quote.  You aren't judged by those three at the same time (although if you have great all three than you are).  You are judged by one at a time.  At least you can change the clothes you wear if it makes you happier.[/quote]
If clothes truly make you happy, then I don't know what else to say. Happiness that comes from materialistic things do not last long, nor do they bring true content, well, for me at least.

[quote]what a great question, of course i don't think they are like that of the USSR.  Why?  Because the USSR doesn't exist anymore.[/quote]
If you have noticed, it was an example of a time, a place, where people believed so strongly in uniforms.

[quote]Yes, they are.  Many don't attend because they have uniforms.[/quote]
Sorry, I never had the luxury of going to private school so I wouldn't know how kids would feel about wearing them. But coming from a normal girl, who attended public schools all her life, uniforms aren't that bad. I've worn uniforms before, when I was in elementary school, and I remember liking them.

[quote]more than that of public schools, and don't challenge me on that.[/quote]
I'm not challenging anything. That was a genuine question because I wouldn't know how private schoolers act, though I'm positive that not all private school kids are like that.

[quote]It's a good thing my mom grew up in Japan.  She tells me of how the kids were never allowed to be themselves, but they were to be thought of as a part of Japan.  That is why they had to wear uniforms.  Not only did they have to wear uniforms, they have to walk together in a straight, uniform line to school.  During the summer, ALL japanese citizens have to wake up at 6am to do "Radio Aerobics," so every Japanese can look like the ideal.  If you worship that kind of life, move there.  But that type of life has damaged my mother in many ways, and I am a firsthand witness to that.  It affected the way she views things, the way she lives her life.[/quote]
I made friends with a Japanese foreign exchange student a few years ago when I was a sophomore in high school. We talked a lot about cultures, compare and contrast sort of thing, and we talked extensively about uniforms. She doesn't seem to mind it at all. Although she enjoyed being able to wear what she wants to school in the US, she said that buying clothes here is too expensive, and she has a hard time choosing what to wear in the morning.

The experience of one person cannot mean that everyone feels the same about things. Perhaps your mom's experienced the whole thing in an oppressive environment. I think the Japanese are more lenient than they were in the 1980s, maybe your mom was there at time where things were very strict?

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You've never seen it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. How do we define what's appropriate? I mean if that's the way a person want to 'express' themselves and uniform isn't an option then what?


Then you would be surprised at how many people would befriend someone for what they appear to be. There are too many instances where clothes/cars/overall style 'impress' strangers and make them want to be 'friends' with that person.


I don't see anything 'bad' about it. If they didn't want me to think that way, then they shouldn't have worn that kind of revealing clothes to SCHOOL. I mean any where else would be fine, but to SCHOOL? Seem kind of outrageous.


Did I say that? No. I said I wouldn't corner a person into the wall and 'get to know' him/her when I think that his/her clothes do not tell me about the person.


Private schools achieve the same thing. Many people are sucessful graduating from from a private institution. I don't think I have a problem either as I agree that school is a place to develope social skills. Social skills require mostly how you talk/act/deal with situations, it would seem shallow that your are 'social skills' scored on how well you dressed. If you're wearing a uniform then people would pay attention more to what you have to say instead of what you wear.


Did I say that? No, I said somewhere along the lines of clothes can intimidate people. It would make a shabby dressed guy (because he can't afford anything better) feel poor standing next to someone who has on armani or A/X. It shouldn't be that way in school, it should be who has more merit.


Lets say that pretty girl already cause enough distractions. Now, imagine that the distraction could be double if the girl come to class with revealing clothes.

My world isn't perfect, Michelle. I just do not want my kids (when I have them) to have to deal with shallow social injustices, the lesser the better. I've worked with parents who can't afford anything but 'goodwill' clothes for their kids, it's disgustingly sad to have to hear them wish for better clothes to wear to school while their parents don't even make enough for the month's rent.


If clothes truly make you happy, then I don't know what else to say. Happiness that comes from materialistic things do not last long, nor do they bring true content, well, for me at least.


If you have noticed, it was an example of a time, a place, where people believed so strongly in uniforms.


Sorry, I never had the luxury of going to private school so I wouldn't know how kids would feel about wearing them. But coming from a normal girl, who attended public schools all her life, uniforms aren't that bad. I've worn uniforms before, when I was in elementary school, and I remember liking them.


I'm not challenging anything. That was a genuine question because I wouldn't know how private schoolers act, though I'm positive that not all private school kids are like that.


I made friends a Japanese foreign exchange student a few years ago when I was a sophomore in high school. We talked a lot about cultures, compare and contrast sort of thing, and we talked extensively about uniforms. She doesn't seem to mind it at all. Although she enjoyed being able to wear what she wants to school in the US, she said that buying clothes here is too expensive, and she has a hard time choosing what to wear in the morning.

The experience of one person cannot mean that everyone feels the same about things. Perhaps your mom's experienced the whole thing in an oppressive environment. I think the Japanese are more lenient than they were in the 1980s, maybe your mom was there at time where things were very strict?

first off, my mom's culture is the same as we still have family there and go there every year. also, how much your clothes cost have nothing to do with your popularity. my boyfriend and his friends shop at goodwill all the time to achieve the abercrombie vintage look. uniforms are taking away style from the kids. it isn't consoling poorer students who desperately want to fit in, but can't because they can't afford it. it's just depriving style. you keep talking about the few girls who have no self respect for themselves and show their bodies off like its nothing. what about guys? there's no reason for guys to have a dress code. girls either. if a girl wants to be outrageous enough to wear a bikini to school, i doubt the fact that a uniform was present would change anything.

the fact is, by arguing about this in a createblog forum, you can't change the fact that as of now, US public schools don't advocate a uniform. and i can assure you that probably will remain a fact.

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first off, my mom's culture is the same as we still have family there and go there every year.  also, how much your clothes cost have nothing to do with your popularity.  my boyfriend and his friends shop at goodwill all the time to achieve the abercrombie vintage look.  uniforms are taking away style from the kids.  it isn't consoling poorer students who desperately want to fit in, but can't because they can't afford it.  it's just depriving style.  you keep talking about the few girls who have no self respect for themselves and show their bodies off like its nothing.  what about guys?  there's no reason for guys to have a dress code.  girls either.  if a girl wants to be outrageous enough to wear a bikini to school, i doubt the fact that a uniform was present would change anything. 

the fact is, by arguing about this in a createblog forum, you can't change the fact that as of now, US public schools don't advocate a uniform.  and i can assure you that probably will remain a fact.

I keep talking about it because I have hope that it will change, but that doesn't mean I do not fully realize the implications behind it, nor am I so ignorant that I don't know that public schools will most likely turn down any suggestions for uniforms from parents.

But the point of this debate was to hear BOTH sides of the arguement, not just have one side complain about why uniforms shouldn't be enforced.

People will never be happy with what they have. I couldn't wear uniforms when I wanted to, and you wanted to wear normal clothes when you were in uniforms. But that's what makes a debate, a debate.

[shortystyle]

school uniforms should be a nono. My old old school had uniforms and disliked it.

[sheddingtears]

It really depends on the type of school the person is attending. If it was military school, then obviously we would need strict uniform code, but for public schools, anh it's not really necessary.

[mglbaby]

i donn like uniforms but it depends on da school. like public skools no they donn need uniforms otha skoo maybe...

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OMG! my school uniform is HIDEOUS!! 2 years ago..they made us start wearing BLAZERS!! ..it's called 'Ursuline High school'(its in england)...it even has its own web site...-->http://www.ursulinehigh.merton.sch.uk/index.htm

[JlIaTMK]

school uniforms are a thing just to keep kids put their heads on studying more and ppl r starting to forget that but anyways im against them because a lot of ppl show their character from what kinds of clothes they wear (i.e. punk, goth, prep, hip hoper) and that should be allowed cuz don't schools enforce u to express yourself?

[shawty_redd]

where i was born there were uniforms but in my school now in canada there aren't. sometimes i think there should be cause i see other kids being picked on cause there clothes isn't brand name but then when everyone is wearing the same thing there is no more indiviualism anymore. everyone is the same.

[DisneyPrincessKa...]

To be honest, my uniform doesn't cramp my style. It doesn't make me want to jump off a bridge because I have no "individuality" or anything like that. I just hate them because they're expensive, impractical, and uncomfortable.

[sadolakced acid]

THE CLOTHES MAKE THE MAN.  NAKED PEOPLE HAVE LITTLE INFLUENCE IN SOCIETY

by mark twain.

[juliar]

I have never seen anyone wear a bikini to school. If they do, they should know they'd get suspended. That's what you do when someone's clothes are innapropriate.

I have. And they weren't suspended. No one saw her.

To be honest, my uniform doesn't cramp my style. It doesn't make me want to jump off a bridge because I have no "individuality" or anything like that. I just hate them because they're expensive, impractical, and uncomfortable.

If they were used alot, they wouldnt be that expensive because the higher demand calls for an at least SLIGHTLY lower price. Or there goes their business. Impractical? How? In the way that they're trying to enforce dress code more? Uncomfortable. True, but hey, alot of regular trends are uncomfortable too.

school uniforms are a thing just to keep kids put their heads on studying more and ppl r starting to forget that but anyways im against them because a lot of ppl show their character from what kinds of clothes they wear (i.e. punk, goth, prep, hip hoper) and that should be allowed cuz don't schools enforce u to express yourself?

They don't want you to express yourself. My school wouldnt care less about what I did, said, or acted as.

[TR4NC3F0RM3RZ]

Well, I attend a school called "Oxford Academy." Apparently, there is a certain dress code in which we must all adhere by. Basically it's wearing the appropriate polo shirts with "OA" on them, and any type of pants... Except denim, jeans, etc. -_-;; And, you have to keep your shirt tucked in. It's meant to keep our "academic" enviornment the way it is, and also to keep other students from "making less fortunate students who are unable to buy brand-name clothing feel bad" (Don't know if that made sense.)

And, the dress code is failing, IMO. Anybody who goes to my school can tell you that. Everyone is without untucked shirts all the time. Some people don't even wear the shirts. I don't wear the shirts; I always wear a sweater or something over it. As for jeans, people hate that rule, but some people still do it. Basically, the attempt to keep a dress code in our academic environment has failed.

So, in closing, school uniforms are practically useless. What a student wears has no impact on academic abilities, contrary to what the adults at school have been encouraged to believe.

[Spirited Away]

^^^ In your case, it's failing because the school doesn't care to enforce it. Students would be wearing the uniforms appropriately if the school actually care to enforce the rules. Many other private schools do just fine with uniforms.

[X__CemetaryGirl6...]

no NO No.. why that takes away the sence of individualy that a person has... i mean what left do you have to express yourself. when they take away your clothes that help you express the kind of person you are, and put the same clothes on everyone, its like Balh, all you can see in the halls is the same style same atitude, and nothing changes..
** i say burn the uniforms**

[Spirited Away]

no NO No.. why that takes away the sence of individualy that a person has... i mean what left do you have to express yourself. when they take away your clothes that help you express the kind of person you are, and put the same clothes on everyone, its like Balh, all you can see in the halls is the same style same atitude, and nothing changes..
** i say burn the uniforms**

You must be a very uncreative person to say that uniforms take away individuality and ways express yourself.

Uniforms are only an excuse. If you're truly an individual and creative, there are other ways to express yourself.

How will wearing uniforms make you have the same attitude as everyone else? That's like saying the clothes make the man, which is pretty shallow.

[DisneyPrincessKa...]

If they were used alot, they wouldnt be that expensive because the higher demand calls for an at least SLIGHTLY lower price. Or there goes their business. Impractical? How? In the way that they're trying to enforce dress code more? Uncomfortable. True, but hey, alot of regular trends are uncomfortable too.

I already have clothes, most people wear the same things to school that they wear to the mall. I don't know anyone with a seperate wardrobe for school and hanging out, ecept for all of my friends in private schools. We have to go out and buy expensive uniforms after we already have clothes.

Even if every school had a uniform they'd still stay the same price. Schools all have different uniforms. The kids at Trinity don't wear the same uniform as me because mine say "Blessed Sacrament Huguenot" on them. Uniforms are different from school to school, so it wouldn't make much of a difference. Besides, even if the price from the warehouses went down my school would still need the same amount of money because we aren't exactly what you'd call rich.

They're also impractical because they don't provide protection from the weather. I can wear a uniform jacket, but that doesn't keep my knees warm. I can wear pants, but then they won't fit me right (they're only made for boys, so they don't fit girls right).

Blah, they're pretty stupid. I understand that people come to school dressed like hoes, but that's why you have a dress code, not a whole uniform system.

[T00000]

You must be a very uncreative person to say that uniforms take away individuality and ways express yourself.

Uniforms are only an excuse. If you're truly an individual and creative, there are other ways to express yourself.

How will wearing uniforms make you have the same attitude as everyone else? That's like saying the clothes make the man, which is pretty shallow.

you are so enlightened.


however, most people aren't and like being that way and clothes DO express personality and individuality. taking away clothes take away an ASPECT of individuality. you're saying that uniforms would take away an aspect of judging...

so if you compare the FRACTION of the aspect that is being taken away, which is more important? being an individual and being judged or not being an individual and not being judged?

[Spirited Away]

you are so enlightened.

Am I? Sorry, I'm not too good with sarcasms, you would have to drop me a hint here and there.

however, most people aren't and like being that way and clothes DO express personality and individuality.  taking away clothes take away an ASPECT of individuality.  you're saying that uniforms would take away an aspect of judging...

If you mean to say that I'm saying that uniforms would limit a way for people to judge you on the outside, then yes, I am saying just that. If people are not judging by looks, then there wouldn't be a need for the proverbial "judging a book by its cover".

so if you compare the FRACTION of the aspect that is being taken away, which is more important?  being an individual and being judged or not being an individual and not being judged?

I would gladly answer that if you would explain how uniforms can take away individuality.

If individuality, to you, is the same as "looking" different from the person next to you, then I don't think you understand what individuality means.

Anyway, since I work with a lot of parents who sends their kids to private schools and academy this summer, I asked them about how they feel about uniforms, and they said they loved it. 20/20 said so.

Eh, I don't care though. People will hold different opinions .

[perdyperdybirdy]

Never really had to wear uniforms...Only in elementry...We were suposed to wear like...'SPIRT WEAR' to school every friday. But i didn't. Cos I didn't feel like it. Well I guess the uniforms...like 2 days a week would be cool. Thats only if the uniforms aren't hidious.

[vynni3]

i hate uniforms!!!
period.

[ComradeRed]

What if we FORCED everyone to dress like a slut?

That way we have tyrannical uniforms and sluttiness. Everyone's happy.

[Spirited Away]

What if we FORCED everyone to dress like a slut?

That way we have tyrannical uniforms and sluttiness. Everyone's happy.

Eh... I guess I can be happy with that.... .... j.k j.k

[0ut-0f-c0ntr0l]

i think school uniforms suck. people should be allowed to express their individuality, but only to a certain level.