god, part 2 Options

[queen]

It's not that I do not believe in a Higher Being, because I have said that I do in earlier posts, but it's more like Man has made this Being into something marketable.

there you go.. haha. i've been tryna come up with a way to explain that for the past hour ;o

oh and when i said "you" earlier, i was speaking generally, not you specifically.. i should probably edit that post and put "one" instead of "you" haha

[IIO__oII]

Why believe in something I cannot see, when I can believe in something I can see? (Not to say that I believe in anything only visible to the eyes. That was only to contrast what you say.)

I suppose the nit-picky people you're reffering to are the non-believers? I suppse we are, but I can easily accuse Christians of being the same way.

But would you still willing to be friends with someone who doesn't believe in Him?

I can be friends with anyone so long as they're nice.

i would stay friends!

[ryfitaDF]

i'm cool with anyone, believer or not.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Great, so now because I'm non-believer, I work for the Devil. Fine, I'll play by your rules. I am now a devil's advocate. RUN you fool, I will slaughter you.

Fae, you're great. HaHa.
I didn't mean to insult anyone, I just found that little statement rather amusing.
It seems to me that we are debating the same thing over and over and over and over and... have I made my point? Why don't we let someone put out their beliefs *only*. We argue those, then we go onto the next person. Only a suggestion.

[CrimsonArchangel]

How can anyone be certain that the Bible contains words of God, when it was Man who created it?

I know many don't like quotings of the Bible, so I won't try to.
Yes, Man wrote the Bible, but they were inspired by God to write the things they did.
Fae, if you believe in a Creator, then you must believe (at least in some point) in creation. If creation was the beginning of life and what not, how could have Man written about it hundreds of years after it happened (not having been there, of course), if it wasn't God/the Creator the one who who inspired Man to write about it and told him what to write?
Again... I feel that didn't make sense, so, if it didn't, I'll try to explain better.

[IIO__oII]

I know many don't like quotings of the Bible, so I won't try to.
Yes, Man wrote the Bible, but they were inspired by God to write the things they did.
Fae, if you believe in a Creator, then you must believe (at least in some point) in creation. If creation was the beginning of life and what not, how could have Man written about it hundreds of years after it happened (not having been there, of course), if it wasn't God/the Creator the one who who inspired Man to write about it and told him what to write?
Again... I feel that didn't make sense, so, if it didn't, I'll try to explain better.

yesyes.. the Bible contains only God's words... none of ours.

[ryfitaDF]

what about all the revisions of the bible? you may not know, but it has been re-written about 7 times, i think. the one everyone knows is the king james version. who knows if king james threw in a few of his own ideas in it?

[CrimsonArchangel]

what about all the revisions of the bible? you may not know, but it has been re-written about 7 times, i think. the one everyone knows is the king james version. who knows if king james threw in a few of his own ideas in it?

Oh, agree, agree, agree.
Though the bible has been revised several times, still the jist of it is still the same.

[Retrogressive]

i used to be a very strong christian, i even had a whole website based on "the end" according to the bible. my best defence against someone asking "how do you know that god is real? you can't see him" i would say "you can't see the wind... but you can feel the effects of the wind."

but now even though i go to a christian school i have so many doubs. i don't want to believe in a god who doesn't want people to be gay, even though people are born that way. the bible seems almost like a cult document sometimes. and besides if there is a god (which most evidance points to there being some kind of god.) i believe that god would be a female. because females are the symbol of life and loving. i don't think god would be a male.

most christians force their beliefs on you and think their way IS THE ONLY way. i don't believe that and i think that is so stupid.

[Yemmerz]

what about all the revisions of the bible? you may not know, but it has been re-written about 7 times, i think. the one everyone knows is the king james version. who knows if king james threw in a few of his own ideas in it?

It does, it was edited so the bible would be acceptable under Jame's religion rules.

[JlIaTMK]

im christian and i personally dont believe so much in the bible however i do believe in god and i believe in the scientific theory of life

but hey thats just my oponion i dont think anyone should be forced to believe something by someone else against their will

[shawty_redd]

It does, it was edited so the bible would be acceptable under Jame's religion rules.

so then other stuff written in the bible was left out??

[ryfitaDF]

so then other stuff written in the bible was left out??

yes. i dont' know all of them but there were actually 2 women in genesis: eve and lilith. eve was the weak housewife type woman and lilith was the strong feminist type. i'm guessing they edited lilith out to make men the dominant gender.

[CrimsonArchangel]

yes. i dont' know all of them but there were actually 2 women in genesis: eve and lilith. eve was the weak housewife type woman and lilith was the strong feminist type. i'm guessing they edited lilith out to make men the dominant gender.

Prove that. Eve was the first woman on earth. Who on earth was Lillith? Can you prove that?
And there are plenty more women in Genesis. Check it out.

[Spirited Away]

Prove that. Eve was the first woman on earth. Who on earth was Lillith? Can you prove that?
And there are plenty more women in Genesis. Check it out.

I think he is cross referencing between religions and an interpreting system called the midrash, however, it has been said that this same system influenced the Christian's interpretation of the Bible.

Anyway, this system was supposed to clear up inconsistencies in the story of Genesis, where God created Lilith at the time of Adam's creation. So according to it, the first woman was Lilith, who refused to be subordinate and left Adam. Only then did God created Eve.

There is a myth that continues on about how Lilith became jealous of Eve and kills human babies.. etc. So Eve represents the "paragon" of the perfect woman, while Lilith is known as the independent outcast.

Kind of sounds like a "moral" lesson for women to me. Be subordinate and brainless, men will love you, gain a mind of your own and earn their wrath. Please do correct me if any of the above info is wrong, I don't know much about religion and that info was the result of a 3 minute research.

[CrimsonArchangel]

I think he is cross referencing between religions and an interpreting system called the midrash, however, it has been said that this same system influenced the Christian's interpretation of the Bible.

Anyway, this system was supposed to clear up inconsistencies in the story of Genesis, where God created Lilith at the time of Adam's creation. So according to it, the first woman was Lilith, who refused to be subordinate and left Adam. Only then did God created Eve.

There is a myth that continues on about how Lilith became jealous of Eve and kills human babies.. etc. So Eve represents the "paragon" of the perfect woman, while Lilith is known as the independent outcast.

Kind of sounds like a "moral" lesson for women to me. Be subordinate and brainless, men will love you, gain a mind of your own and earn their wrath. Please do correct me if any of the above info is wrong, I don't know much about religion and that info was the result of a 3 minute research.

What exactly is the midrash again? *Pure curiosity* Never heard of it before. Is it some interpretation of the bible?
I still say that there were plenty of women in genesis, and I personally think and from what I have been taught and what I've learned, Lillith never existed....

[Spirited Away]

Here you go (<--about midrash).

[CrimsonArchangel]

Here you go (<--about midrash).

Thanks!

[ryfitaDF]

but now even though i go to a christian school i have so many doubs. i don't want to believe in a god who doesn't want people to be gay, even though people are born that way. the bible seems almost like a cult document sometimes. and besides if there is a god (which most evidance points to there being some kind of god.) i believe that god would be a female. because females are the symbol of life and loving. i don't think god would be a male.

if i believed in god i wouldn't think he hates gays. it keeps getting thrown back and forth between loving and wrathful. i'm much rather have a loving god who loves all people, believers and otherwise.

try that if you don't want to become a heretic.

[IIO__oII]

f i believed in god i wouldn't think he hates gays. it keeps getting thrown back and forth between loving and wrathful. i'm much rather have a loving god who loves all people, believers and otherwise.

try that if you don't want to become a heretic.

who said that God HATED gays? just said that it was wrong to be homosexual and into all those things.. like witchcraft... its just wrong.
he doesnt HATE ppl... hes not predujice.

[onenonly101]

i don't want to believe in a god who doesn't want people to be gay, even though people are born that way.

God doesn't want people to sin, therefore he doesn't want people to be gay.God created men and women to have for one another. Let me say here that God loves all homosexuals! However, He hates the deeds of homosexuality because they are sinful. God did not create any human being as a homosexual. They are not born that way, just as murderers are not born that way.People become homosexuals because they yield to abnorml acts or lust.

so then other stuff written in the bible was left out??

No, the bible is as it is. There is no proof saying that it was left out.

most christians force their beliefs on you and think their way IS THE ONLY way

I don't like the word most, because no one knows most of any kind of people. Yes some do force their beliefs on you just as some muslims, or jevoah wittness do. If you are going to believe i nsomething, you are going to believe that it is the only way. Esp with being a Christian, Jesus is the only way.

[Gypsy Eyes]

Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly think that religion is just something that people use to fill up the space of the things that cannot be explained, or things that we dont know yet.

-The Bible: how do we know this is real? There is no physical proof proving that it is indeed factual. There are also many proven scientific facts contradicting many of the bibles "stories". Such as: Adam and Eve were supposedly created out of nowhere, and were the first man and women. Sciene proves that everything evolved from bacteria in the oceans, therefore going against the adam and eve story.

- Miracles: miracles are just a matter of opinion. anything these days can be considered a miracle, anything from someones shoe finally untying, to someone surviving cancer. Its just a matter of trying harder, and believing in yourself, not believing in some celestial being.

-Sins: its a matter of opinion, some thigns may be considered alright to some people, while those thigns might be considered a sin to other people.

if god is so forgiving, how come he made all the 10 commandments, if he would just forgive it anyway?

and lastly, if killing is against the ten commandments or gods rules, didnt he break them himself? with the whole great flood thing? Honestly, the whole idea of christianity is like a cult to me.

[ryfitaDF]

Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly think that religion is just something that people use to fill up the space of the things that cannot be explained, or things that we dont know yet.

-The Bible: how do we know this is real? There is no physical proof proving that it is indeed factual. There are also many proven scientific facts contradicting many of the bibles "stories". Such as: Adam and Eve were supposedly created out of nowhere, and were the first man and women. Sciene proves that everything evolved from bacteria in the oceans, therefore going against the adam and eve story.

- Miracles: miracles are just a matter of opinion. anything these days can be considered a miracle, anything from someones shoe finally untying, to someone surviving cancer. Its just a matter of trying harder, and believing in yourself, not believing in some celestial being.

-Sins: its a matter of opinion, some thigns may be considered alright to some people, while those thigns might be considered a sin to other people.

if god is so forgiving, how come he made all the 10 commandments, if he would just forgive it anyway?

and lastly, if killing is against the ten commandments or gods rules, didnt he break them himself? with the whole great flood thing? Honestly, the whole idea of christianity is like a cult to me.

sing it!

i agree.

brainwash 100 people and call it a cult. brain wash 10,000,000 and call it christianity.

[*kryogenix*]

Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly think that religion is just something that people use to fill up the space of the things that cannot be explained, or things that we dont know yet.

-The Bible: how do we know this is real? There is no physical proof proving that it is indeed factual. There are also many proven scientific facts contradicting many of the bibles "stories". Such as: Adam and Eve were supposedly created out of nowhere, and were the first man and women. Sciene proves that everything evolved from bacteria in the oceans, therefore going against the adam and eve story.

- Miracles: miracles are just a matter of opinion. anything these days can be considered a miracle, anything from someones shoe finally untying, to someone surviving cancer. Its just a matter of trying harder, and believing in yourself, not believing in some celestial being.

-Sins: its a matter of opinion, some thigns may be considered alright to some people, while those thigns might be considered a sin to other people.

if god is so forgiving, how come he made all the 10 commandments, if he would just forgive it anyway?

and lastly, if killing is against the ten commandments or gods rules, didnt he break them himself? with the whole great flood thing? Honestly, the whole idea of christianity is like a cult to me.

-Evolution is as much as a theory as the story of creation. Where did the bacteria come from if everything evolved from bacteria? Science also proved that spontaneous generation does not happen. But if a ominiscient, omnipotent being were present, he could create man from clay and a woman from man's rib. Now you'll ask, where did god come from? I will respond, God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. He has always existed. Physics says time exists when matter exists. God created matter. So he existed before time.

-For Catholics (I can't and won't speak for other religions), the rule of thumb is if it's against the 10 commandments, it is a sin.

-God is forgiving, but you have to ask for forgiveness first through the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. It's not like you can beak a commandment and assume you're forgiven.

-The great flood occured before the ten commandments were made. Noah came before Moses.


I have to eat breakfast right now, I'll be happy to clear up any questions about Catholicism. If you have anymore.

[ryfitaDF]

-Evolution is as much as a theory as the story of creation. Where did the bacteria come from if everything evolved from bacteria? Science also proved that spontaneous generation does not happen. But if a ominiscient, omnipotent being were present, he could create man from clay and a woman from man's rib. Now you'll ask, where did god come from? I will respond, God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. He has always existed. Physics says time exists when matter exists. God created matter. So he existed before time.

evolution is a little more believeible than religion, but it's still not 100% proven. i think she's just angry about people tellin her she's wrong for believing what she does, and i'm pretty sure everyone who has been in this debate knows how that feels.
also, before time? that seems peeeeeeeeeetty impossible.

-The great flood occured before the ten commandments were made. Noah came before Moses.

what about the crusades? that was god commanding death. eather that or the pope lied.

I have to eat breakfast right now, I'll be happy to clear up any questions about Catholicism. If you have anymore.

that's good. breakfast is the most imporatnd meal of the day. be sure to get enough folic acid and calcium. i can't stress that enough!